Intel 2nd gen Optane 900P ssd

[NumLock21]

Intel is planning their 2nd gen of optane ssd very soon. The 2nd generation of ssds, will run at pcie 3.0 vs 2.0 on their first gen. It will be the successor to their 750 series that has been out for a while now. Intel Optane 900P 2nd gen has similar specs to their enterprise P4800x, which cost $2000 for a 375gb. This consumer version, should be cheaper. Intel's 2nd Optane 900p Capacity starts at 280gb to 1.5tb, and will be available in u.2 and pcie card form factors.

 

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59462/intel-launch-second-gen-optane-900p-ssds-very-soon/index.html

 

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[dizmo]

Not bad, but I would have liked to see m.2 in there. Pricing will be the final decider. It's Intel so I'm sure it won't be cheap. 

 

Haha, what phone are you using that can't highlight text? Weak. 

[James7176]

Isn't this still slower than the 960 EVO/PRO which are consumer grade and much cheaper already? Ans also only require a m.2 connection.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Interesting to see the lack of M.2 there. Although I guess PCIe would be a little faster.

[NumLock21]

11 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Not bad, but I would have liked to see m.2 in there. Pricing will be the final decider. It's Intel so I'm sure it won't be cheap. 

 

Haha, what phone are you using that can't highlight text? Weak. 

M.2 only for caching? 

And it's not the phone but the site. Constantly refreshes when you highlight. 

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, NumLock21 said:

M.2 only for caching? 

And it's not the phone but the site. Constantly refreshes when you highlight. 

Makes more sense to have an m.2 drive then an add in card, no? 

[NumLock21]

Just now, dizmo said:

Makes more sense to have an m.2 drive then an add in card, no? 

It's Intel. Makes no sense to us. Makes tons of sense to them. 

[dizmo]

4 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

It's Intel. Makes no sense to us. Makes tons of sense to them. 

Yeah. I don't think this is meant to be a cache drive though, judging by the sizing and the literature. They call it a storage drive, not a cache drive. 

[Dylanc1500]

12 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Makes more sense to have an m.2 drive then an add in card, no? 

 

5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Yeah. I don't think this is meant to be a cache drive though, judging by the sizing and the literature. They call it a storage drive, not a cache drive. 

M.2 is nice but i would prefer u.2/sff-8639 as it is hot swap capable m.2 drives are not. Another aspect is heat dissipation.

[Drak3]

50 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Interesting to see the lack of M.2 there. Although I guess PCIe would be a little faster.

M.2 can use SATA or PCIe. In the case of these drives, it would be PCIe M.2.

The renderings only show a x4 connection, so the only way for it to be faster than an PCIe M.2 counterpart is for the m.2 slot to be wired for x2 or PCIe 2.0, assuming that there is no x8 model coming to consumers.

[Trixanity]

1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

M.2 only for caching? 

And it's not the phone but the site. Constantly refreshes when you highlight. 

Capacity is from 280 GB to 1500 GB. It's not a cache drive. It's my understanding that it's a re-branded enterprise drive to finally give consumers an actual Optane drive.

[System Error Message]

its this their new ram technology that is supposed to be able to store data without power and also not have the limited writes of SSDs? Im confused because if this is just another SSD, it looks like its going to be pricey because as we all know, covering your product with some shroud/heatsink like stuff (like ram) makes your product premium .

 

Im hoping for reasonable pricing of these modules by what they are and not how they look on the outside though since AMD forced intel to be competitive again, we can only hope.

 

Honestly i might as well just design my own PCIe card that takes regular ram to use as storage/cache, it'd definitely be a lot cheaper.

[Sniperfox47]

1 hour ago, James7176 said:

Isn't this still slower than the 960 EVO/PRO which are consumer grade and much cheaper already? Ans also only require a m.2 connection.

The 32GB Accelerator Module was faster for read than a 960 Pro and was faster at write when writing low queue depth.

 

SSDs are faster the more chips they have, so even the 280GB version should handily beat even the 2TB 960 Pro at high queue depth and absolutely destroy it at low queue depth, especially for read.

 

Optane is also super low latency, which helps a lot with certain workloads.

 

That being said it's not going to replace a normal SSD for most consumers, though tbh even the 960 is overkill for most consumers. The price will likely be ridiculous if the enterprise version is any indication. You're looking at maybe specialty drives for prosumers to use as scratch with 8k footage or similar applications.

 

15 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

its this their new ram technology that is supposed to be able to store data without power and also not have the limited writes of SSDs? Im confused because if this is just another SSD, it looks like its going to be pricey because as we all know, covering your product with some shroud/heatsink like stuff (like ram) makes your product premium .

 

Im hoping for reasonable pricing of these modules by what they are and not how they look on the outside though since AMD forced intel to be competitive again, we can only hope.

 

Honestly i might as well just design my own PCIe card that takes regular ram to use as storage/cache, it'd definitely be a lot cheaper.

3D XPoint (crosspoint) is a storage class memory technology, meaning it can be used as storage, as memory, or both. This is specifically a standard storage SSD using it, not their NVDIMM memory that's still upcoming.

 

It's absolutely going to be pricy. The XPoint chips can't be cheap to produce. Id honestly expect it to be in the $600+ USD range for the 280GB version based on how they've priced their previous consuner products.

[Stefan1024]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

Not bad, but I would have liked to see m.2 in there. Pricing will be the final decider. It's Intel so I'm sure it won't be cheap. 

 

Haha, what phone are you using that can't highlight text? Weak. 

18 watts on M.2? Not going to happen without an active cooler. Also -'m pretty sure they can't fit 1.5 TB on M.2 (yet), so they don't care.

 

Also it's intel, they don't care about niche use cases anyway as it doensn't generate enought money.

[Dylanc1500]

7 minutes ago, Stefan1024 said:

18 watts on M.2? Not going to happen without an active cooler. Also -'m pretty sure they can't fit 1.5 TB on M.2 (yet), so they don't care.

 

Also it's intel, they don't care about niche use cases anyway as it doensn't generate enought money.

Plus Intel uses the trickle down model. With u.2 supporting SAS/SATA/PCIe and hot swap, it makes it easy to take their products from enterprise and either cut it down or wait till its matured and give it to consumers at that point. 

[NumLock21]

3 hours ago, dizmo said:

Yeah. I don't think this is meant to be a cache drive though, judging by the sizing and the literature. They call it a storage drive, not a cache drive. 

Due to their capacity of course they're not cache drives.

 

2 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Capacity is from 280 GB to 1500 GB. It's not a cache drive. It's my understanding that it's a re-branded enterprise drive to finally give consumers an actual Optane drive.

I know they are not cache drives. Some will misunderstood Intel Optane, as a cache drive because that's how it was first introduced.

 

 

[dizmo]

3 hours ago, Dylanc1500 said:

 

M.2 is nice but i would prefer u.2/sff-8639 as it is hot swap capable m.2 drives are not. Another aspect is heat dissipation.

Hot swappable isn't a concern to me. They still could have made a variety of SKU's. 

1 hour ago, Stefan1024 said:

18 watts on M.2? Not going to happen without an active cooler. Also -'m pretty sure they can't fit 1.5 TB on M.2 (yet), so they don't care.

 

Also it's intel, they don't care about niche use cases anyway as it doensn't generate enought money.

Haha, didn't notice that. I don't see why it'd consume that much power anyway. Guess we'll have to see if the performance matches up. 

24 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Due to their capacity of course they're not cache drives.

Then why did you say it? 

[NumLock21]

14 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Then why did you say it? 

I was talking about the M.2 form factor, where Intel didn't make these as M.2, might be they are reserving them, for low capacity drives designed for caching only.

[Dylanc1500]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

Hot swappable isn't a concern to me. They still could have made a variety of SKU's. 

Maybe not to you, but the people that benefit from these drives the most will appreciate it. Also every time Intel makes a giant product stack with a ton of options (outside of enterprise) people complain "hey this makes no sense to me personally so therefor it shouldn't exist". Plus they are testing the response before releasing a huge product stack as, from a business perspective, is smart.

[AnonymousGuy]

This slide is outdated.  The higher capacity drives are getting "rebranded" and being released next year Q1 along with some relatively insignificant reliability spec change vs. 900p.  The main difference is the capacity.  I'm first in line to buy it because it's going to be a huge performance bump for everything.

 

Yields or whatever with XPoint aren't very good hence the delays on the higher capacities.  Even the 900p was originally supposed to release this month.  Or 9 months ago I think it was supposed to launch in like August or something.

[Belgarathian]

Threadripper and RAID 0 all the things. 

[Drak3]

6 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Due to their capacity of course they're not cache drives

They are if I want to cache my porn collection.

[AnonymousGuy]

1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

With NVME available for cheaper, what are these for again? And we can't use it with an ITX mobo?

QD0 random read writes.  It's like 10x faster than a 960 Pro.

[AnonymousGuy]

13 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Is that some special application? Haven't heard of it. Must be very niche. 

No Queue Depth 0 means the amount of traffic getting sent to the drive.  Every mfg. quotes sequential numbers (which never happen except for copying large files) and QD32 numbers which also never happen except in heavily loaded servers.  So that 960 Pro quoting 400k IOPS is full of shit and drops to like 20k at normal desktop workloads (I'm approximating numbers here).

 

These Optane drives are going to be so fast that things like the OS scheduler latency are going to become bottlenecks, stuff that normally doesn't matter.

 

EDIT: Another benefit is that Optane drives are like the fucking terminators of serving data.  You can saturate them with tons of traffic and they'll have the same responsiveness (it's called something like 99.9% latency).  NAND NVME drives start getting really laggy when they get saturated with traffic.

[leadeater]

13 hours ago, James7176 said:

Isn't this still slower than the 960 EVO/PRO which are consumer grade and much cheaper already? Ans also only require a m.2 connection.

Not really no, not in the actually important performance figures.

 

Samsung 960 Pro

RANDOM READ (4KB, QD32)
512 GB: Up to 330,000 IOPS (Thread 4) 
1024 GB: Up to 440,000 IOPS (Thread 4) 
2048 GB: Up to 440,000 IOPS (Thread 4)

 

RANDOM WRITE (4KB, QD32)
512 GB: Up to 330,000 IOPS (Thread 4) 
1024 GB: Up to 360,000 IOPS (Thread 4) 
2048 GB: Up to 360,000 IOPS (Thread 4)

 

 
RANDOM READ (4KB, QD1)
Up to 14,000 IOPS (Thread 1)

 

RANDOM WRITE (4KB, QD1)
Up to 50,000 IOPS (Thread 1)
 

Optane even Gen 1 has much better QD1 IOPS than above and Gen 2 will be even more.