Microsoft acknolwedges game stuttering in Win10, might release fix

[D13H4RD]

I should mention this.

 

I’m quite literally the only guy in the family with a Windows 10 PC

[TheUzu]

14 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Hardware conflicts with the OS. Software conflicts with the OS. Cost of the new OS. Utilities/softwares found only in the old OS.

 

Kaby and Coffee lack proper drivers, but Windows 7 will run on both without much issue (certainly not enough to be a problem for most users). AMD just announced the official driver stack for Ryzen/TR/EPYC for Windows 7. Also, there is little reason for anyone to want to upgrade to Kaby if they're on Haswell or newer, or Coffee if on Haswell-E or newer.

 

Sure, until a modder ports DX12 to Windows 7,assuming DX12 is successful like 9 and 11, and not a flop like 10. But every modern game engine that supports DX12 also supports Vulkan, which runs on Windows 7, and isn't overly hard to get working.

As I stated those are the only valid reasons, the cost was free at one point but alas reluctance can cost I suppose.

 

Do you have any of these hardware or software conflicts, what stopped you from taking on free Windows 10?

 

If you have to mod in DX12 then it's a desperate attempt to keep Win7 alive, and if DX12 is a flop then what happens when DX13 comes along.

 

it boils down to this.

Windows 7 will be obsolete within 5 years 

Windows 10 should in theory have support for as long as Microsoft keeps that particular promise.

 

I have a feeling that a least a little of the hate for Windows 10 is because people regret not taking the free upgrade and resnt how they'd have to pay for it now.

 

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

I should mention this.

 

I’m quite literally the only guy in the family with a Windows 10 PC

I'm the only one with a Mac and a Linux PC, so don't feel bad.

[Drak3]

16 minutes ago, S.Stephenson said:

Do you have any of these hardware or software conflicts, what stopped you from taking on free Windows 10?

Chief, I have Windows 10. My main system is a dual boot between Win 7 and 10. My Surface Pro 4 runs Win 10.

 

My A10-6800K build has had conflict with Windows 10 due to hardware, but not Windows 8 or Ubuntu. My Acer laptop, which shipped with either 7 or 8.1, has issues with 10, but not 7, 8.1, or any Linux distro I've tested. My main system has a software conflict with GPU drivers under Windows 10 that doesn't exist under 7, which requires me to essentially DDU AMD GPU drivers for every single update, and update Nvidia's immediately prior, in only Windows 10. In 7, I just need to clean install AMD's drivers.

 

A10 build and the Acer, Windows 10 simply is not an option. On my main build, Windows 10 is an option due to the fact that GPU drivers aren't mission critical past having stable drivers.

[flibberdipper]

6 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

That is very unwise.

Particularly from a fresh install, the first search(s) take literally hours, but in normal use I haven't noticed a big difference.

On my W7 machines it seems like I hardly ever get patches anymore.

 

5 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Longest I waited was 3 days for Windows 7 to finally start downloading updates. There were some patches and fixes, which did fix it temporary, but those fix didn't last long.

Longest I waited without the 4 patch fix was two weeks, and then I gave up and installed Vista which worked fine (not on my current machine obviously).

 

2 hours ago, samcool55 said:

Yeah W7 needs to plow through almost 10 years of updates while W10 will never need to go more than 2 years worth of updates.

Also there's a hotfix that fixes the check for update issue... Or use WSUS, no need to actually download them multiple times.

Download once, put them available via a SMB share or just whack them on a USB drive or whatever and off you go.

Yeah I'm aware of that but in my experience even Vista demolishes it in terms of how long it actually takes to find and install the updates.

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, tmcclelland455 said:

 

Longest I waited without the 4 patch fix was two weeks, and then I gave up and installed Vista which worked fine (not on my current machine obviously).

Mastering the art of patience is a rare feat.

[AlTech]

7 hours ago, Cookybiscuit said:

Meanwhile the superior operating system (Windows 7) has no such issues.

If Windows 7 had this sort of issue after all this time then I'd be shocked.

 

Windows 7 is older. Windows 10 is newer.

6 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Hard to disable something that isn't actually there.

It's not spyware. This has been said a million times already.

 

Tellemetry Data to improve the experience of Developers and Microsoft. If you don't like it then you can turn off most of it.

 

7 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Windows 7 has wasted more of my time with updates than 10 ever has or will.  With 7, once they're done installing and it's ready for the reboot, it gives you that "remind me in 10 minutes / 1 hour / 4 hours" prompt continuously until you do, unless you're able to reboot right then and there.  With Windows 10, it automatically waits until you're not actively using it and reboots while you're away, or you can manually schedule it to run whenever it's most convenient, up to about a week away if necessary.  I've never had an issue with it and honestly I've found it to be much superior to previous implementations.

^^^

Windows 7 Updating was slow and bad.

It tried to install numerous updates at once and was just inefficient.

 

7 hours ago, revsilverspine said:

I've been using Windows 10 since launch and the only "advertisement" I've ever seen was the "get office" once, which is actually an app that sends you to the Buy Office page.

Compatibility? Everything runs just fine, even Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas, which absolutely refuse to even start on Win7. "spyware"? Can be turned off. Constant updates?

The only time "constant updates" is valid is on the day somebody is installing it.

7 hours ago, revsilverspine said:

Who needs those?

It's not just bug fixes. Those sometimes also contain security fixes.

[HalGameGuru]

1 hour ago, S.Stephenson said:

As I stated those are the only valid reasons, the cost was free at one point but alas reluctance can cost I suppose.

 

Do you have any of these hardware or software conflicts, what stopped you from taking on free Windows 10?

 

If you have to mod in DX12 then it's a desperate attempt to keep Win7 alive, and if DX12 is a flop then what happens when DX13 comes along.

 

it boils down to this.

Windows 7 will be obsolete within 5 years 

Windows 10 should in theory have support for as long as Microsoft keeps that particular promise.

 

I have a feeling that a least a little of the hate for Windows 10 is because people regret not taking the free upgrade and resnt how they'd have to pay for it now.

 

It's currently still free. I have confirmed as recently as last week that you can still upgrade from 7 to 10 for free thru the same avenue as before

[Drak3]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

It's not spyware. This has been said a million times already.

 

Tellemetry Data to improve the experience of Developers and Microsoft. If you don't like it then you can turn off most of it.

Chief, I'm one of the few people that have been saying that.

[AlTech]

19 minutes ago, tmcclelland455 said:

On my W7 machines it seems like I hardly ever get patches anymore.

That's because you should only be receiving critical security updates.

 

If there's no critical issues in WIndows 7 then you won't receive updates. Same for Windows 8.1 .

[79wjd]

7 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Windows 7 has wasted more of my time with updates than 10 ever has or will.  With 7, once they're done installing and it's ready for the reboot, it gives you that "remind me in 10 minutes / 1 hour / 4 hours" prompt continuously until you do, unless you're able to reboot right then and there.  With Windows 10, it automatically waits until you're not actively using it and reboots while you're away, or you can manually schedule it to run whenever it's most convenient, up to about a week away if necessary.  I've never had an issue with it and honestly I've found it to be much superior to previous implementations.

I wish I could say that was the case for me.....up until a couple months ago I would be encoding something with my CPU pinned at 100% and Windows 10 decides that's the time to restart. Then a couple months ago they made it so you could postpone an update up to a month -- and not solved that issue, but still W10 used to be a complete mess with that. I've also found that W10 update will occasionally pin my SP3's CPU and cause a nice 10 second+ delay for the entire 5-20 minutes it takes to download all the updates. 

 

Still, being able to defer updates/restarts -- even by a month -- isn't enough for me on my laptop where I do most of my work. 

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, S.Stephenson said:

As I stated those are the only valid reasons, the cost was free at one point but alas reluctance can cost I suppose.

 

Do you have any of these hardware or software conflicts, what stopped you from taking on free Windows 10?

The only software I've had issues with is badly written software.

 

Source Engine games and DX9 based games. I only play 2 games which use DX9 (one of them is a source engine game) and one of them is getting a DX11 or Vulkan Upgrade soon ish.

1 hour ago, S.Stephenson said:

it boils down to this.

Windows 7 will be obsolete within 5 years 

Actually, it's less than 3.

1 hour ago, S.Stephenson said:

Windows 10 should in theory have support for as long as Microsoft keeps that particular promise.

Yeah. Although having 2 updates per year is a little excessive I think. Maybe 1 Major update per year could be fine with each update being bigger and more meaningful.

1 hour ago, S.Stephenson said:

I have a feeling that a least a little of the hate for Windows 10 is because people regret not taking the free upgrade and resnt how they'd have to pay for it now.

^^^

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

I wish I could say that was the case for me.....up until a couple months ago I would be encoding something with my CPU pinned at 100% and Windows 10 decides that's the time to restart. Then a couple months ago they made it so you could postpone an update up to a month -- and not solved that issue, but still W10 used to be a complete mess with that. I've also found that W10 update will occasionally pin my SP3's CPU and cause a nice 10 second+ delay for the entire 5-20 minutes it takes to download all the updates. 

Try setting active hours. If you did then it wouldn't restart if you're busy.

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Still, being able o defer updates/restarts -- even by a month -- isn't enough for me on my laptop where I do most of my work. 

How?

 

That's already too much imho.

[vanished]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

I wish I could say that was the case for me.....up until a couple months ago I would be encoding something with my CPU pinned at 100% and Windows 10 decides that's the time to restart. Then a couple months ago they made it so you could postpone an update up to a month -- and not solved that issue, but still W10 used to be a complete mess with that. I've also found that W10 update will occasionally pin my SP3's CPU and cause a nice 10 second+ delay for the entire 5-20 minutes it takes to download all the updates. 

 

Still, being able to defer updates/restarts -- even by a month -- isn't enough for me on my laptop where I do most of my work. 

I try to tell my story when I can because it's important to hear all sides, but I know I'm in the minority.  You don't have to look far to find people complaining about it updating when they least expected, or when they didn't want, and while I believe some of that is due to user incompetence and not taking advantage of the controls they offer, some of it is also due to bugs in Windows.

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Try setting active hours. If you did then it wouldn't restart if you're busy.

How?

I would leave it encoding over night -- so it would go into inactive hours and then restart (in the middle of a several hour long encode). So, not only did I lose that encode and have to restart it, everything on the queue after it also got cancelled. 

[AlTech]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

I would leave it encoding over night -- so it would go into inactive hours and then restart (in the middle of a several hour long encode).

That's your problem right there. Most people don't leave a PC on overnight to do stuff.

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

So, not only did I lose that encode and have to restart it, everything on the queue after it also got cancelled. 

Sounds like bad time management.

[79wjd]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

That's your problem right there. Most people don't leave a PC on overnight to do stuff.

I'm sorry, but I should be able to leave my computer running overnight to do work. That shouldn't be a thing where I can't do it because Windows decides it wants to update. 

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

Sounds like bad time management.

How is it bad time management to let my computer run when I'm not there to interfere/need the power for something else? 

[vanished]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

That's your problem right there. Most people don't leave a PC on overnight to do stuff.

Perhaps, but it's also a perfectly valid use case that, while not in the majority, is still incredibly common

[flibberdipper]

33 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Mastering the art of patience is a rare feat.

Yeah I'm not going to wait more than I have to just to get my PC back to my grubby little paws.

 

15 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

That's because you should only be receiving critical security updates.

 

If there's no critical issues in WIndows 7 then you won't receive updates. Same for Windows 8.1 .

My Plex server hasn't gotten a single update (running W7 Ultimate N SP1 64-bit) since I set it up last November. No matter how much I fiddlefuck with it, nothing happens.

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, tmcclelland455 said:

Yeah I'm not going to wait more than I have to just to get my PC back to my grubby little paws.

 

My Plex server hasn't gotten a single update (running W7 Ultimate N SP1 64-bit) since I set it up last November. No matter how much I fiddlefuck with it, nothing happens.

Speaking of Plex, one of the comments in that articles says the Spring Creators Update also mess that up. The fix will be arrive in the next OS release update.

 

[Drak3]

3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

ow is it bad time management to let my computer run when I'm not there to interfere/need the power for something else? 

Pushing off updates until the last minute.

 

And every single person I've heard bitch about Windows 10 updates always does that.

 

Whereas I, on the other hand, install every big security update and bug fix as they roll out if I have nothing important happening, or schedule them to install as soon as I'm done. I've only ever had unexpected updates occur on my Pro 4, and only because it can go weeks at a time without use.

[TheUzu]

49 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

I would leave it encoding over night -- so it would go into inactive hours and then restart (in the middle of a several hour long encode). So, not only did I lose that encode and have to restart it, everything on the queue after it also got cancelled. 

How about you pause updates then it wont do that its not rocket science....

 

You can defer the non security updates by 365 days

 

The pause option effectively makes your PC update once a month whats so terrible about that.

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, S.Stephenson said:

How about you pause updates then it wont do that its not rocket science....

 

You can defer the non security updates by 365 days

And I did that, but A) it didn't always exist. B) It doesn't always work. And C) I shouldn't have to remember to re-enable that every month, just so my computer doesn't restart while I'm fucking doing something. 

[TheUzu]

3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

And I did that, but A) it didn't always exist. B) It doesn't always work. And C) I shouldn't have to remember to re-enable that every month, just so my computer doesn't restart while I'm fucking doing something. 

If it's too much of a hassle to remember to update your PC once a month then I'd suggest not using one until an advanced AI that does all that for you is invented.

 

Would you rather update a computer once a month ~5mins or have some randomer encrypt all the storage on your home network and demand 30BTC?

 

 

[Shreyas1]

when you literally just realize that you've been using game mode all along...

 

I seriously could not figure out why battlefield stuttered so much