Intel i9 CPU's get the finalized specs announced

[done12many2]

5 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Also everyone should stop for a moment and just imagine the pricing/existence of this platform though in a world without Ryzen/TR  

 

It would stop at 10 cores

Have the same lane segmentation

Cost the same or more than Broadwell E

 

Anyone that posts things like "R.I.P Threadripper" or is anti competition is a total moron/Oxygen thief. This is what competition gets you, better products throughout the entire product stack. Right from mainstream to HEDT.

 

I absolutely want AMD to keep it up!  

 

Will a overclock TR chip complete with any overclocked SKL-X chip in the 14c variant or higher.  No.  Does an overclocked 16c TR chip deliver similar performance to overclocked 14c and 16c SKL-X chips for less money.  ABSOLUTELY.  

 

I just don't care for when some of our community try to turn that into something it's not.  

[done12many2]

9 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Also everyone should stop for a moment and just imagine the pricing/existence of this platform though in a world without Ryzen/TR  

 

It would stop at 10 cores

Have the same lane segmentation

Cost the same or more than Broadwell E

 

Anyone that posts things like "R.I.P Threadripper" or is anti competition is a total moron/Oxygen thief. This is what competition gets you, better products throughout the entire product stack. Right from mainstream to HEDT.

 

I absolutely want AMD to keep it up!  

 

Will an overclock TR chip beat an overclocked SKL-X chip in the 14c variant or higher.  No.  Does an overclocked 16c TR chip deliver similar performance to overclocked 14c and 16c SKL-X chips for less money.  ABSOLUTELY.  

 

I just don't care for when some of our community try to turn that into something it's not.  

[dexT]

36 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I'm excited for this, going to attempt direct die watercooling with it, maybe have a shot at setting the CB non-LN2 record for single socket.  I look at being able to delid as a feature,  I don't want to be limited by an IHS- soldered or not.

Anybody using phase or dice would score higher.

[AnonymousGuy]

Just now, dexT said:

Anybody using phase or dice would score higher.

Yeah, but I don't really consider those 24/7 viable cooling methods and lump them together with LN2.  Phase change mayyyyybe but I doubt anyone is living with a compressor and condenser fan running next to their head.  Also, I think condensation eventually would work its way in to the socket regardless of your prep.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

So I guess the 7980XE was supposed to be 5000$?

 

[sazrocks]

7 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I'm not sure if you are trying to insist that this isn't going to happen or if you don't legitimately understand.  

 

Yes, the motherboard manufacturer is providing the setting, but it is not an auto overclock.  It is simply setting all cores to the TB 2.0 speed and VID determined by Intel.  ALL modern Intel chips will run at their turbo'd (2.0) speed across all core simultaneously.  The only reason they don't by default is to keep TDPs down and within expectations.

 

On the boards that lack this feature, you simply set the cores to a multiplier of say 40, and the VID table automatically scales voltage as it would have if the motherboard would have had the "multi-core enhancement".  Same amount of steps and same result either way.    

 

Base clock is in no way anything that should be used to determine potential.   

I guess I have a hard time seeing a 4.2GHz boost on all 18 cores because of power draw alone. But now I see that it is certainly possible/probable given sufficient cooling.

[sazrocks]

Just now, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

So I guess the 7980XE was supposed to be 5000$?

 

Where did you get that?

[dexT]

1 minute ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Yeah, but I don't really consider those 24/7 viable cooling methods and lump them together with LN2.  Phase change mayyyyybe but I doubt anyone is living with a compressor and condenser fan running next to their head.  Also, I think condensation eventually would work its way in to the socket regardless of your prep.

Ah yeah the record for a 24/7, that's cool.

 

Phase I don't think would be good to run 24/7. I ran mine 8-10hrs a day for a week and my power bill went up $20 so mult that by 4.

[done12many2]

Just now, sazrocks said:

I guess I have a hard time seeing a 4.2GHz boost on all 18 cores because of power draw alone. But now I see that it is certainly possible/probable given sufficient cooling.

 

Oh, I agree bud.  Power and cooling are going to have to be well above average, but as long as you are using components appropriate to this level of a build, it should be no problem.  

 

The problems arise when people try to do this shit on the cheapest motherboard they can find while using some old shit PSU and a off the shelf middle grade AIO. 

 

If you build the rest of the system to match and support the behemoth 18c, you should be able to go well past 4.2 GHz in realistic loads.  

[VagabondWraith]

When AMD competes, cheaper Intel prices for me™.  

[done12many2]

3 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

Where did you get that?

 

This is LTT man.  People here are allowed to just make shit up.  

[ravenshrike]

Just now, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

So I guess the 7980XE was supposed to be 5000$?

 

The 7980 didn't exist till Threadripper specifics leaked prior to Computex. Hell, the 7920 didn't exist until after Ryzen dropped. Without AMD you'd be looking at another $1700 10 core part with that premium being the only way to get 44 PCI-E lanes. Intel was planning on using their monopoly position in the HEDT space to extend their server side pricing and upgrade schemes into the consumer space.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, VagabondWraith said:

When AMD competes, cheaper Intel prices for me™.  

Or Nvidia, if we're talking about GPUs

[DocSwag]

1 hour ago, Technicolors said:

what's the 14nm+ differ from TR 14nm? 

A lot, just because it says 14nm doesn't mean they're anything alike. 14nm just refers to the smallest feature size of the transistors themselves, which says nothing about the actual dimensions of their other parts.

[Ravager911]

7 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

When AMD competes, cheaper Intel prices for me™.  

Hah, you wish!

I dont expect that Intel is dropping prices in the near future.

[sazrocks]

3 minutes ago, Ravager911 said:

Hah, you wish!

I dont expect that Intel is dropping prices in the near future.

The point is that the 10 core would have cost $1500-1700 again, whereas now it costs $1000.

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, Ravager911 said:

Hah, you wish!

I dont expect that Intel is dropping prices in the near future.

Really? A few years ago, a CPU that performed worse than the 7980XE (2699 v3) cost $4000, so 2x more than the 7980XE for less performance.

[VagabondWraith]

4 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

The point is that the 10 core would have cost $1500-1700 again, whereas now it costs $1000.

Exactly  

[Ravager911]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Really? A few years ago, a CPU that performed worse than the 7980XE (2699 v3) cost $4000, so 2x more than the 7980XE for less performance.

You are now comparing a server chip with a desktop one.

For example, the current 18 core xeon costs about 4000$ compared to the desktop one with 2000$.

 

[Bananasplit_00]

1 hour ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

AFAIK, Skylake-X has a FIVR, so the voltage being supplied to the CPU isn't 1.2V but closer to 1.9V

4th gen onwards has it. That's how I got confused with both the Toaster Project and Northern Bee lol. 

 

55 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

I don't know about that. Sure, a delid will definitely increase the headroom in an overclock by upwards of 300MHz, but I'm pretty sure some ok/good overclocks will be possible without one, provided a rad of sufficient size.

No for the same reason I'm having disappointing cooling results with my loop. The heat TIM and IHS are major problems. I have a 360 and a 240 rad in Northern Bee and I'm still easily getting well into the 70c range. 

[Juanitology]

2 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

Here is the official finalized specs of the i9 line up. To me those base clocks look very low which makes me think a 1950x will be faster then the 7960x at stock settings.

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Intel-Fills-Gaps-Core-X-Series-Processor-Specs

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11698/intel-finalizes-skylakex-processor-specifications-18cores-44-ghz-165w-on-september-25th

So let me get this straight. Going from 6 to 8 cores is 210USD extra. Going from 10 to 12 is 200usd. going from 12 to 14 is 200usd. So you'd think that they're basically charging 100usd per extra core while AMD is charging about 50usd per extra core. Why then does it cost 400 fucking USD to upgrade from an 8-core 7820X to a 10-core 7900X? or 300 to upgrade from the 14 to the 16 core and the 16 to the 18 core? The Intel pricing is not only ridiculously uncompetitive, it also makes no goddamn sense. 

[Ravager911]

2 minutes ago, Terodius said:

So let me get this straight. Going from 6 to 8 cores is 210USD extra. Going from 10 to 12 is 200usd. going from 12 to 14 is 200usd. So you'd think that they're basically charging 100usd per extra core while AMD is charging about 50usd per extra core. Why then does it cost 400 fucking USD to upgrade from an 8-core 7820X to a 10-core 7900X? or 300 to upgrade from the 14 to the 16 core and the 16 to the 18 core? The Intel pricing is not only ridiculously uncompetitive, it also makes no goddamn sense. 

Intel has clearly forgotten, that most people buy their hardware with value in mind.

Their 18 core may be faster by 15% but that is clearly not worth the hefty premium they charge.

[Masada02]

Let's all complain about the first real enthusiast chip on the market in years...

 

Clearly the 7980XE is not for the average user. It is the EXTREME edition on the enthusiast lineup. Complaining that you need good cooling for it is basically a moot point because OFC you're going to need it.

[ravenshrike]

7 minutes ago, Masada02 said:

Complaining that you need good cooling for it is basically a moot point because OFC you're going to need it.

You're bottlenecked by the toothpaste, not the cooling. Doubt you'll be able to saturate a 360 rad before the toothpaste causes thermal throttling.

[Masada02]

Just now, ravenshrike said:

You're bottlenecked by the toothpaste, not the cooling. Doubt you'll be able to saturate a 360 rad before the toothpaste causes thermal throttling.

That TIM is only there to force enthusiasts to delid thus voiding warranty so Intel doesn't have to pay for bad overclocking errors. That's really the only thing I disagree with. Once delidded it will be fine.