UK government adds in age checks for porn

[EPENEX]

Just now, grimreeper132 said:

you need to supply your credit card details to the website (cause you need to be 18 for most credit cards in the UK)

Not everyone has a credit card. I'm 19 and have never had the use for one.

[grimreeper132]

Just now, EPENEX said:

Not everyone has a credit card. I'm 19 and have never had the use for one.

oh I know that not everyone does, I dinny either, and the article says that, I was just saying you need to be 18 to get one pretty much

[HunterSkater429]

1 hour ago, grimreeper132 said:

you need to supply your credit card details to the website (cause you need to be 18 for most credit cards in the UK)

lol that doesnt make any sense, hey we just added chips to our credit cards for more protection but now to watch porn you have to type your CC info into a porn site. id assume they would just ask for the front info. otherwise just use your parents lol.

 

id only see sense in supplying a credit card if you supplied an ID too, so they can match the name. 

 

but much safer just for a picture of an ID. all the info on your ID is public information already so it doesn't matter who sees it, unless you care about someone knowing your address that bad. but im sure if anyone spends enough time on google you can find anyone's address with the right searches.

[System Error Message]

its a stupid idea because most porn sites are not hosted in the UK so they dont have to obey this law. However the UK is known to host many child porn sites and viewers (seriously brits whats wrong with you guys).

 

Essentially this would mean that the UK is the western style of religious or cultural extremism where silly rules are made (just like with indonesia) in which it causes more harm than good. Unlike alcohol and cigarettes which have been proven to be even more harmful to underage by both medical and science porn isnt harmful and can help the younger generations understand better.

[grimreeper132]

41 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Well, the UK sure is on a slippery slope.

It started with an optional porn filter. Then it became the default option to have it enabled. Now you need to submit your credit card to every single porn website you visit.

 

I honestly would not be surprised if they will "fix" the massive issues with submitting your credit card to unsafe sites by creating a new government issued "Internet ID card" which you can use to visit porn websites. Then that ID will be extended to "other extreme websites" like maybe drug related websites. Then it will be extended to less extreme websites as time goes on until you need an ID to visit any website whatsoever.

nah your wrong the way our government will "fix" the porn industry is by making it illegal

 

41 minutes ago, mr moose said:

The problem is young kids being subject to content before they are developmentally ready right?  Then why not simply hold the parents/caregivers responsible rather than punishing everyone else?

 

What's next, making car manufacturers put license scanners on all cars?  breweries making beer cans you can't open without proving your age every time?

oh that is the problem, alot of the time now a days parents take no responsibility, the way I see it the parent should police this not the government cause it's not their jobs to make sure the economy doesn't collapse, give support when we really need it or from major threats, porn is not a major threat and it's something the parents should manage

 

 

[grimreeper132]

3 minutes ago, HunterSkater429 said:

lol that doesnt make any sense, hey we just added chips to our credit cards for more protection but now to watch porn you have to type your CC info into a porn site. id assume they would just ask for the front info. otherwise just use your parents lol.

 

id only see sense in supplying a credit card if you supplied an ID too, so they can match the name. 

 

but much safer just for a picture of an ID. all the info on your ID is public information already so it doesn't matter who sees it, unless you care about someone knowing your address that bad. but im sure if anyone spends enough time on google you can find anyone's address with the right searches.

there is no way that this is a good way of doing it, as it's a step or two away from censorship, which is dangerous and not something any free country should have in any form even for "dangerous" content

[Denis Rakhmanov]

10 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

you are trying to be funny

Actually, i'm not. It is sad to say but Emperor of my country is trying to pass a similar law

[grimreeper132]

2 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

its a stupid idea because most porn sites are not hosted in the UK so they dont have to obey this law. However the UK is known to host many child porn sites and viewers (seriously brits whats wrong with you guys).

 

Essentially this would mean that the UK is the western style of religious or cultural extremism where silly rules are made (just like with indonesia) in which it causes more harm than good. Unlike alcohol and cigarettes which have been proven to be even more harmful to underage by both medical and science porn isnt harmful and can help the younger generations understand better.

Yes this is a terrible idea, but may I add one thing, I do agree that porn might cause issues if you are exposed too early, when your under lets say 6 maybe, but that also being said it's the parents job to police that not the government

[grimreeper132]

Just now, Denis Rakhmanov said:

Actually, i'm not. It is sad to say but Emperor of my country is trying to pass a similar law

aye ok right, I feel sorry for you, I suggest you download tor now before the law comes into place and use it

[HunterSkater429]

1 hour ago, grimreeper132 said:

there is no way that this is a good way of doing it, as it's a step or two away from censorship, which is dangerous and not something any free country should have in any form even for "dangerous" content

they can do what they want, personally I rather go to the bar and fuck a drunk slag rather then watch porn.

 

and there is no such thing as a free country, especially the UK. there will always be laws and regulations.

 

rather have a safe way to do it if you're going to have to do it

 

 

[grimreeper132]

Just now, HunterSkater429 said:

they can do what they want, personally I rather go to the bar and fuck a drunk slag rather then watch porn.

 

and there is no such thing as a free country, especially the UK. there will always be laws and regulations.

 

rather have a safe way to do it if you're going to have to do it

 

 

that is true there isn't really but this is in a way a start to taking a large amount of freedom away, and this is anything but safe, I don't think any porn website could be classed as trustworthy

[HunterSkater429]

1 hour ago, grimreeper132 said:

that is true there isn't really but this is in a way a start to taking a large amount of freedom away, and this is anything but safe, I don't think any porn website could be classed as trustworthy

i get it,. people will be like oh its porn so of course thats a good idea, then they will push it more and more. just using porn to get it off the ground 

[TimeOmnivore]

As far as I'm concerned, any and all porn that isn't actual, real rape and doesn't involve human minors should be completely legal to view. As for not wanting minors to have access to any of it - that's completely stupid and unrealistic in this day and age.

 

Don't want your young child to accidentally stumble across it? Do they have access to Google? Give up - they will see it eventually no matter what you do (even if you go as far as not giving them any internet access), so instead prepare how you're going to explain to them what it is and why they should probably avoid it until they reach a certain age, rather than just outright blocking it and vilifying it.

 

And if a teenager does want to watch porn - he/she will. Make all of the most popular sites require CC info? You'll find that a lot of normally obscure websites will suddenly rise in popularity. The only purpose this serves is to satisfy a stupid, archaic, and pointless moral compass. This doesn't help anyone, it encourages even more repression of normal sexual urges and makes pretty much everyone hate your government even more. None of these are good things.

 

As an aside, I seriously hate this whole "protect the children" angle a lot of these types of laws use to push themselves forward. Stop using a lack of parental responsibility to make my legitimate use of these services more pointlessly harder/more frustrating than it needs to be, which is not at all.

[Dabombinable]

1 hour ago, Syntaxvgm said:

I couldnt' imagine Canada or Australia would be much better, maybe for now. I would avoid Switzerland. Seriously. Don't know much about Norway or NZ tbh

Try Polland.

[grimreeper132]

4 minutes ago, TimeOmnivore said:

As far as I'm concerned, any and all porn that isn't actual, real rape and doesn't involve human minors should be completely legal to view. As for not wanting minors to have access to any of it - that's completely stupid and unrealistic in this day and age.

 

Don't want your young child to accidentally stumble across it? Do they have access to Google? Give up - they will see it eventually no matter what you do (even if you go as far as not giving them any internet access), so instead prepare how you're going to explain to them what it is and why they should probably avoid it until they reach a certain age, rather than just outright blocking it and vilifying it.

 

And if a teenager does want to watch porn - he/she will. Make all of the most popular sites require CC info? You'll find that a lot of normally obscure websites will suddenly rise in popularity. The only purpose this serves is to satisfy a stupid, archaic, and pointless moral compass. This doesn't help anyone, it encourages even more repression of normal sexual urges and makes pretty much everyone hate your government even more. None of these are good things.

 

As an aside, I seriously hate this whole "protect the children" angle a lot of these types of laws use to push themselves forward. Stop using a lack of parental responsibility to make my legitimate use of these services more pointlessly harder/more frustrating than it needs to be, which is not at all.

may takes the "protect the children" sorta view and argument on many things, encryption, forcing ISPs to record all your internet traffic (which she has tried to push about 10 times now, in many different forms, people see what your doing, and they don't want it please stop it) and several other internet laws, it's just not on of children need led and taught about safe practices, and not have no knowledge on it.

 

Think about it this way you teach kids (certainly here in Scotland) about safe sex in a nice gentle way leading into it over a couple of years, in the hope of them learning how to have it safely when they dinny want kids, you don't just when they become legal (16 here) to have sex just chuck them in and tell them "don't have kids till your older and want to have them" as they will have no idea what safe practices are so probably will have them early. The same is true with porn, if you just wait till they are 18 then chuck them in the will end up using porn for all the bad ways that the government is trying to stop them from using it for

[grimreeper132]

12 minutes ago, TimeOmnivore said:

Don't want your young child to accidentally stumble across it? Do they have access to Google? Give up - they will see it eventually no matter what you do (even if you go as far as not giving them any internet access), so instead prepare how you're going to explain to them what it is and why they should probably avoid it until they reach a certain age, rather than just outright blocking it and vilifying it.

Also may I just add they will see things which are pretty much porn on the TV anyways during day time TV, muller yogurt adverts constantly have hot topless men with almost to no clothes on. I would say they are more likely at this point to see something you'd class as porn if you say it as an image on the internet on the TV where it's not and it's called an ad when your younger

[mr moose]

42 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

Yes this is a terrible idea, but may I add one thing, I do agree that porn might cause issues if you are exposed too early, when your under lets say 6 maybe, but that also being said it's the parents job to police that not the government

 

Most research tends to note 12 years at the earliest, from then it become individually specific.  Most authorities on the subject agree that the child has to be exploring and garnishing an understanding of their own sexual nature before they have the ability to not be effected by porn.     This is a topic I have an interest in having worked in the industry for a while.

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, mr moose said:

 

Most research tends to note 12 years at the earliest, from then it become individually specific.  Most authorities on the subject agree that the child has to be exploring and garnishing an understanding of their own sexual nature before they have the ability to not be effected by porn.     This is a topic I have an interest in having worked in the industry for a while.

aye fair enough that makes sense, same time as I have said in another reply to this, if you slowly educate the children about porn safe sex etc. it's going to be better safer and not cause the issues that they are all so worried about, which may I just add in most cases don't actually happen, in any way shape or form.

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

The problem is young kids being subject to content before they are developmentally ready right?  Then why not simply hold the parents/caregivers responsible rather than punishing everyone else?

 

What's next, making car manufacturers put license scanners on all cars?  breweries making beer cans you can't open without proving your age every time?

I honestly believe they they don't give two shits about kids seeing porn or not. They already have a porn filter at every ISP that blocks porn and other "extreme" content which you have to opt out of. So unless the parents actually enable porn to be viewed it is blocked in the uk. 

 

I think this is just another way for them to extend their power and control over the internet. Boiling the frog so to speak. 

 

Whenever someone says "think of the children" as an argument for passing legislation that infringe on peoples' freedoms, expect that they have a hidden agenda. 

[mr moose]

3 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I honestly believe they they don't give two shits about kids seeing porn or not. They already have a porn filter at every ISP that blocks porn and other "extreme" content which you have to opt out of. So unless the parents actually enable porn to be viewed it is blocked in the uk. 

 

I think this is just another way for them to extend their power and control over the internet. Boiling the frog so to speak. 

 

Whenever someone says "think of the children" as an argument for passing legislation that infringe on peoples' freedoms, expect that they have a hidden agenda. 

A part of me wouldn't be sad if we burnt the internet and went back to buying games off the shelf from a shop.  At least we would know the game was complete and ready to play in it's entirety.

[themctipers]

1 hour ago, EPENEX said:

18+ to watch porn? I was watching porn when I was 8.

^{lol same}

 

lets all watch as the population in the UK slowly declines 

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

Soon ...

 

This one was actually made for the Brexit, but it's become even better in this context.

[iRileyx]

1 hour ago, System Error Message said:

its a stupid idea because most porn sites are not hosted in the UK so they dont have to obey this law. However the UK is known to host many child porn sites and viewers (seriously brits whats wrong with you guys).

 

Essentially this would mean that the UK is the western style of religious or cultural extremism where silly rules are made (just like with indonesia) in which it causes more harm than good. Unlike alcohol and cigarettes which have been proven to be even more harmful to underage by both medical and science porn isnt harmful and can help the younger generations understand better.

No they'll just get our ISP's to block it, so whether the sites are hosted in the UK or not, that won't mean s**t

 

Sites like pirate bay and putlocker to name a few that come to mind, are blocked by ISP's over here.

 

 

[System Error Message]

Just now, RKRiley said:

No they'll just get our ISP's to block it, so whether the sites are hosted in the UK or not, that won't mean s**t

 

 

there are lots of vpns so that point is moot. UK wants to ban encryption, well many companies are gonna be really angry if the UK does that as they rely on vpn for their intranets.

[LAwLz]

9 minutes ago, mr moose said:

A part of me wouldn't be sad if we burnt the internet and went back to buying games off the shelf from a shop.  At least we would know the game was complete and ready to play in it's entirety.

With security and privacy being more and more outlawed with every bill passed they might ruin the Internet completely.

 

Its just a shame people won't realize why a threat these types of laws are until it is too late.