What Car Should I Get For Under $70,000?

[MadyTehWolfie]

My last thoughts for a fast/cool/daily would be a M3 or a Audi S4

[Statik]

3 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Nothing just from a performance standpoint it lags behind the Ford focus RS by a lot. They need to completely revamp it in my view.

I guess that's where we differ. I find the Subie feels like a sports car. The Focus may look better on paper, but when it comes to the experience you get from driving each, nothing compares to the feel of an STI. 

 

I also hate ford. And BMW, and Audi. So we're not gonna agree much.

 

Also I want a revamped STI, but that's coming in 2020

[vetali]

5 minutes ago, Statik said:

What's wrong with Subies?

Ringlands and headgaskets. The new STI uses a 20 year old engine with bandaid fixes that still have issues. Too much boyracer stigma (for me) and its a sedan. 

 

In that price range I'd get a Golf R over all the competition in the awd "hothatch" segment. 

[LegendKillerRG]

23 hours ago, Max_Settings said:

Like I have told other users I am not interesting in getting a cheap car and modding it, I don't want a drag car.

Take a look at the Alfa Romeo 4C Spider if you haven't already.

 

 

[Statik]

27 minutes ago, vetali said:

Ringlands and headgaskets. The new STI uses a 20 year old engine with bandaid fixes that still have issues. Too much boyracer stigma (for me) and its a sedan. 

 

In that price range I'd get a Golf R over all the competition in the awd "hothatch" segment. 

Subaru's are well known for their outstanding reliability. I'm not saying the engine doesn't need an update (new one coming in 2020 model), but it's still a phenomenal. It's drive-ability and feel is above the rest in it's league. As well as Subaru is known for having pretty much the best AWD system money can buy. It's built and tuned to drive, and respond like a sports car, where lots of vehicles like the RS, and R just feel like their regular counter parts, with some more juice under the hood.

 

Subaru is not known for engine problems, and the vast majority of problems that come from headgaskets, and/or ringlands are from people who don't know how to drive, and causing undue stress on the car.

 

Just because you feel a car has a "boy racer" stigma doesn't mean it's as "hot as a can of axe". Subies are still phenomenal vehicles, and the STI is still an outstanding sports car for it's price range.

[yathis]

19 minutes ago, LegendKillerRG said:

Take a look at the Alfa Romeo 4C Spider if you haven't already.

 

 

Thats a track car.

[Max_Settings]

31 minutes ago, LegendKillerRG said:

Take a look at the Alfa Romeo 4C Spider if you haven't already.

 

 

WAY too small for a daily car. 

[Max_Settings]

18 minutes ago, Statik said:

Subaru's are well known for their outstanding reliability. I'm not saying the engine doesn't need an update (new one coming in 2020 model), but it's still a phenomenal. It's drive-ability and feel is above the rest in it's league. As well as Subaru is known for having pretty much the best AWD system money can buy. It's built and tuned to drive, and respond like a sports car, where lots of vehicles like the RS, and R just feel like their regular counter parts, with some more juice under the hood.

 

Subaru is not known for engine problems, and the vast majority of problems that come from headgaskets, and/or ringlands are from people who don't know how to drive, and causing undue stress on the car.

 

Just because you feel a car has a "boy racer" stigma doesn't mean it's as "hot as a can of axe". Subies are still phenomenal vehicles, and the STI is still an outstanding sports car for it's price range.

Eh...but it's still a Subaru. I was looking for something with a high end name, like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Tesla, etc...

[Max_Settings]

1 hour ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

My last thoughts for a fast/cool/daily would be a M3 or a Audi S4

I am going to look at used M4s, and RS 3s

 

[Statik]

19 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

Eh...but it's still a Subaru. I was looking for something with a high end name, like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Tesla, etc...

You do you then. I really can't stand brand name cars (you're not getting a Tesla for 70 grand btw buds). And keep in mind that with brandname priced cars come brandnamed price maintenance. 

[Max_Settings]

Just now, Statik said:

You do you then. I really can't stand brand name cars (you're not getting a Tesla for 70 grand btw buds). And keep in mind that with brandname priced cars come brandnamed price maintenance. 

I was looking at used Teslas, But I never said anything about "brand name" I said higher end name. Obviously Subaru is a brand name

[Statik]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

I was looking at used Teslas, But I never said anything about "brand name" I said higher end name. Obviously Subaru is a brand name

Fair enough, just make sure you get good inspections and thoroughly test drive cars. 

 

What I mean by "brand name" is cars where you're essentially paying for the name. BMW, Audi, Mercedes. Sure they're all nice cars, but they're extremely expensive to own, and operate, and maintain for what they are. They're more of a fashion/money statement to me than they are nice vehicles. But again, everyone has their own opinions from what they want from a vehicle.

[Max_Settings]

Just now, Statik said:

Fair enough, just make sure you get good inspections and thoroughly test drive cars. 

 

What I mean by "brand name" is cars where you're essentially paying for the name. BMW, Audi, Mercedes. Sure they're all nice cars, but they're extremely expensive to own, and operate, and maintain for what they are. They're more of a fashion/money statement to me than they are nice vehicles. But again, everyone has their own opinions from what they want from a vehicle.

It's more than the name, it's the quality. A BMW is far nicer than a Subaru, name aside 

[vetali]

21 minutes ago, Statik said:

Subaru's are well known for their outstanding reliability. I'm not saying the engine doesn't need an update (new one coming in 2020 model), but it's still a phenomenal. It's drive-ability and feel is above the rest in it's league. As well as Subaru is known for having pretty much the best AWD system money can buy. It's built and tuned to drive, and respond like a sports car, where lots of vehicles like the RS, and R just feel like their regular counter parts, with some more juice under the hood.

 

Subaru is not known for engine problems, and the vast majority of problems that come from headgaskets, and/or ringlands are from people who don't know how to drive, and causing undue stress on the car.

 

Just because you feel a car has a "boy racer" stigma doesn't mean it's as "hot as a can of axe". Subies are still phenomenal vehicles, and the STI is still an outstanding sports car for it's price range.

They aren't nearly outstandingly reliable. From my anecdotal evidence to fact based. I've diagnosed lots of Subaru headgaskets well before 120k miles which I find unacceptable, waterpumps that prematurely leak before timing belt service is due, oil leaks from various orifices aside from the headgaskets, lots of CV axle repairs, and complaints of driveline windup.

 

Subaru's AWD system isn't actually the best out there, nor advanced. It's also dated. Modern AWD systems use a torque vectoring systems with electromagnetic clutches to drive power to individual wheels that need power or grip, rather the Subaru system is limited to vectoring power to a differential through a viscous coupling. Which this setup has been used for ever in most AWD cars.

27 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

I am going to look at used M4s, and RS 3s

 

Seems weird you went from wanting a ZL1 to looking at RS3s with 1/2 the HP. 

[Max_Settings]

Just now, vetali said:

They aren't nearly outstandingly reliable. From my anecdotal evidence to fact based. I've diagnosed lots of Subaru headgaskets well before 120k miles which I find unacceptable, waterpumps that prematurely leak before timing belt service is due, oil leaks from various orifices aside from the headgaskets, lots of CV axle repairs, and complaints of driveline windup.

 

Subaru's AWD system isn't actually the best out there, nor advanced. It's also dated. Modern AWD systems use a torque vectoring systems with electromagnetic clutches to drive power to individual wheels that need power or grip, rather the Subaru system is limited to vectoring power to a differential through a viscous coupling. Which this setup has been used for ever in most AWD cars.

Seems weird you went from wanting a ZL1 to looking at RS3s with 1/2 the HP. 

Not really half. RS3 has 400, ZL1 has 650. RS3 does 0-60 in 3.9s, ZL1 does 0-60 in 3.5s. The thing I like about the RS 3, which honestly I have never even looked at before this thread, is that it is still very fast, yet it is WAY more practical than a ZL1, because it is a 4 door sedan, and it has a lot more comfort features and technology.

[Statik]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

It's more than the name, it's the quality. A BMW is far nicer than a Subaru, name aside 

All I'm saying is for what they are they're not as good in my opinion. I was going to go to school for mechanics, and my very close god father is a mechanic who has done extensive work with the big name car companies (i.e. BMW, Mercedes, etc). Yes, they're built for comfort, and to show off an expensive, smooth ride. And they do. They do that well.

 

I'm not saying they're bad vehicles. All I'm trying to explain to you is, that I personally look for engineering in vehicles. I like sports cars, that aren't exotic, and are awesome pieces of machinery (i.e. Evo, STI, GTR, Supra, Skyline, etc). And from my personal experience with the high name companies, you're extra money isn't going to that. It's going for bells and whistles that IMO are stupid and overpriced, and the cost to maintain them, or god forbid repair them is absolutely insane.

 

You also can't necessarily say that something like BMW is "better" flatout. In what way? How it rides? yeah, sure probably. But there's such a wide variety in how they ride (i.e. an outback will feel way different from an STI, like an i8 is going to feel different from an x5). But are you talking in regards to reliability? Control? That's a completely different story on which is "better"

[vetali]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

Not really half. RS3 has 400, ZL1 has 650. RS3 does 0-60 in 3.9s, ZL1 does 0-60 in 3.5s. The thing I like about the RS 3, which honestly I have never even looked at before this thread, is that it is still very fast, yet it is WAY more practical than a ZL1, because it is a 4 door sedan, and it has a lot more comfort features and technology.

Some reason I read in the 300s, must of been a bad source.

 

But yeah, the RS3 would be a ton more practical than a ZL1... plus you can actually see out of it. I also think the RS3s look really sharp.

[Max_Settings]

Just now, vetali said:

Some reason I read in the 300s, must of been a bad source.

 

But yeah, the RS3 would be a ton more practical than a ZL1... plus you can actually see out of it. I also think the RS3s look really sharp.

Yeah as of right now on paper, RS3 is my #1, but I still have to go drive them. However this is the first model year of the new design, and I have no issue waiting to get a car, I have the funds, but am in no rush. So I might sit back for 9 months or so and see how the depreciation gods take a hit on that and see what a used one goes for,

[Statik]

8 minutes ago, vetali said:

They aren't nearly outstandingly reliable. From my anecdotal evidence to fact based. I've diagnosed lots of Subaru headgaskets well before 120k miles which I find unacceptable, waterpumps that prematurely leak before timing belt service is due, oil leaks from various orifices aside from the headgaskets, lots of CV axle repairs, and complaints of driveline windup.

 

Subaru's AWD system isn't actually the best out there, nor advanced. It's also dated. Modern AWD systems use a torque vectoring systems with electromagnetic clutches to drive power to individual wheels that need power or grip, rather the Subaru system is limited to vectoring power to a differential through a viscous coupling. Which this setup has been used for ever in most AWD cars.

 

I don't know if you've every driven an AWD Subaru in the snow, but during east coast snowstorms they're some of the only vehicles you see on the road. My personal experience with Subaru has been rather positive. As well a lot of it has to do with how you treat your vehicle. The average person who isn't "into" cars, treats their vehicle like shit, which leads to the vast majority of problems. 

[handymanshandle]

Buy a 50¢ stone

[Max_Settings]

Actually, I also could get a loaded Tesla Model 3

[Not_Sean]

13 minutes ago, Max_Settings said:

Actually, I also could get a loaded Tesla Model 3

What you mean to say is you can get on the Waiting list for a model 3  

 

2 hours ago, Statik said:

What's wrong with Subies?

You can't pull up to business meetings with a big spoiler and gold rims, mate sold his STi for a Merc c class as he runs his own business and even said he just couldn't rock up in a suit to meetings in that car. That car is for the Head of a IT dept, not a business man.

35 minutes ago, Statik said:

All I'm saying is for what they are they're not as good in my opinion. I was going to go to school for mechanics, and my very close god father is a mechanic who has done extensive work with the big name car companies (i.e. BMW, Mercedes, etc). Yes, they're built for comfort, and to show off an expensive, smooth ride. And they do. They do that well.

 

I'm not saying they're bad vehicles. All I'm trying to explain to you is, that I personally look for engineering in vehicles. I like sports cars, that aren't exotic, and are awesome pieces of machinery (i.e. Evo, STI, GTR, Supra, Skyline, etc). And from my personal experience with the high name companies, you're extra money isn't going to that. It's going for bells and whistles that IMO are stupid and overpriced, and the cost to maintain them, or god forbid repair them is absolutely insane.

 

You also can't necessarily say that something like BMW is "better" flatout. In what way? How it rides? yeah, sure probably. But there's such a wide variety in how they ride (i.e. an outback will feel way different from an STI, like an i8 is going to feel different from an x5). But are you talking in regards to reliability? Control? That's a completely different story on which is "better"

Dude I'm a big Subaru fan, I've owned a 2002 WRX and a 2005 STi as well as a few Outbacks in between, I grew up with STi's on my wall and am contemplating one as a rally build here in NZ. 

 

BUT and this is a HUGE but.. Post 2010 you would be an idiot to buy one, It has completely lost its performance edge by them trying to catch up to the Audi's/Merc's for comfort and features and its kept its horrible interiors material wise so it doesn't do ether well, not to mention that they seem to not know what Technology is so the new models are all soft to appeal to guys like me who love them but need someone more grow up and has no tech wizzardy to turn it back into a track terror. If you want a project car or a track toy, a cheap Pre 2010 subaru is amazing, anything after that is fat lazy and horrible on fuel. 

 

And sorry but just looking at the Audi range for example as I know them best, nothing subaru has can match them in performance in the same class. and the Subaru AWD system is so dated it's fallen behind Quattro, the Engines are pre historic bordering American. 

 

If you look for engineering than you would be all over the Audis, Magnetic smart suspension, LED headlights, the Variable steering rack that maintains hydro feel but been assisted, The level of engineering uses to make a 2.0T push out the numbers it does. a V8 that revs to nearly 10K.. dude these are amazing engineering feats. 

 

And yes you can easily say that the Audi is Better lets compare top model 4 door salon vs top model 4 door salon.

 

S4 V6 Super charged at 360bhp Vs 2.5T flat 4 Turbo @ 305 BHP.

both AWD.  

Audi : 30 MPG : STi -  27 That is a V6 Supercharged been more fuel efficient that a flat 4. 

Features: not even going to both here as audi destroys it. 

8 speed Tiptronic vs 6 Speed Manuel

price difference $10 000, so its not even as big as you would think. 

 

its more comfortable, more kitted, Better fuel economy, better gearboxes, better AWD systems, the only place we can't argue is styling as that is personal and the Audi will run rings around the STi on the track and at the drags. 

[Monkey Dust]

Porsche Cayman or Boxster, depending on your roof preference. You'll be looking at a used one for decent spec, but at least that will still have the 6 cylinder engine.

[Guest]

On 6/27/2017 at 7:33 PM, yathis said:

LMFAO is this a joke?

Buy a HumVee

Armored? ...or stupid?

[Ordinarily_Greater]

There are issues with mercedes cheating in euro tests, well i do not know if this is true now i need confirmation