7740X's overclockabilty reviewed

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

That's not a valid argument if you can't point out WHY it should apply to anyone. The post you quoted is also flawed - entering the platform with a 250$ chip only to upgrade months or years later to an 18 core which fits a COMPLETELY different use scenario makes no sense. If you want gaming performance, x270 has all you need and going up in core count will only cripple your performance. If you need the pcie lanes and the other advanced features you'll effectively have a useless placeholder brick until you upgrade, and by the time you DO upgrade what you upgrade to will be outdated, meaning you could have just waited and gotten a better deal on better parts.

 

Even assuming you bought a consumer motherboard and then deciced you absolutely must upgrade within a year to a 1700$ intel 16 core or something like that, are the 150$ you spent on the desktop motherboard really going to make an impact given the total expense?

 

It was valid enough for others, just not you, which only makes it more valid.  Too funny.  

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

You can't just add one core wherever you like, but yeah, 6 core chips should have been on the desktop 2 years ago.

Yes reason why I'll only upgrade when those sweet mainstream Canon Lake i7 6c/12t comes out, I have no use for the HEDT extras since my pci-e lanes are limited to the GPU and WiFI card and I'm still old school SATA3 kind of person.

[PCGuy_5960]

3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

The post you quoted is also flawed - entering the platform with a 250$ chip only to upgrade months or years later to an 18 core which fits a COMPLETELY different use scenario makes no sense.

The 7740X costs $340.....

[leadeater]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

1. Overclocking potential

And that's pretty much all that I can come up with 

How can that not be done by improving the manufacturing process of the 7700K though?

 

[Sauron]

Just now, done12many2 said:

It was valid enough for others, just not you, which only makes it more valid.  Too funny.  

That's a completely meaningless answer that shows you have no idea of how to further support your position. Some people think flat Earth theories are valid too, that doesn't make them correct.

[Taf the Ghost]

It strikes me that the only people normally in the market for the 7740X would be the people that know Coffee Lake is coming in a few months.

[done12many2]

Just now, Sauron said:

That's a completely meaningless answer that shows you have no idea of how to further support your position. Some people think flat Earth theories are valid too, that doesn't make them correct.

 

While some people spend their lives trying to over complicate things.  Some things do not require debate.  They are just true.  

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, leadeater said:

How can that not be done by improving the manufacturing process of the 7700K though?

I think that the extra Vcore pins on the 7740X may also help

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

While some people spend their lives trying to over complicate things.  Some things do not require debate.  They are just true.  

And some are just false. We can go on like this forever, since you clearly have just as much time as me to dedicate to futile conversations.

[done12many2]

Just now, Sauron said:

And some are just false. We can go on like this forever, since you clearly have just as much time as me to dedicate to futile conversations.

 

Yep, all the time in the world.  

 

Switching gears, we've got in-hand reviews in just under 24 hours.  Anyone else a little interested in seeing what x299 is going to be about?

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, done12many2 said:

Switching gears, we've got in-hand reviews in just under 24 hours.  Anyone else a little interested in seeing what x299 is going to be about?

[Princess Luna]

I just thought I'd drop this here for the lulz

Intel marketing is so confusing

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

 

[cj09beira]

19 minutes ago, Sauron said:

That's a completely meaningless answer that shows you have no idea of how to further support your position. Some people think flat Earth theories are valid too, that doesn't make them correct.

SAVAGE

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

SAVAGE

Adam Savage

[cj09beira]

[Taja]

so... 7740x is just a 7700k with better clocks which is just a 6700k with better clocks... not impressive at all.

at least the 7900x showed some great potential, I was not expecting that. but the 7740x seens to be what everyone tought: a chip with no reason to exist.

[Taf the Ghost]

Should we prepare to laugh a little when the first reviews come in lower than Kaby Lake for gaming IPC because of new cache structure and BIOS issues?

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Taja said:

but the 7740x seens to be what everyone tought: a chip with no reason to exist.

47 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I have no use for it, so it's useless

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Should we prepare to laugh a little when the first reviews come in lower than Kaby Lake for gaming IPC because of new cache structure and BIOS issues?

The 7740X doesn't have the new cache

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Should we prepare to laugh a little when the first reviews come in lower than Kaby Lake for gaming IPC because of new cache structure and BIOS issues?

 

The new cache structure is not applicable to Kaby Lake X.  

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

The 7740X doesn't have the new cache

Good point.  I forgot it's not a Skylake-X chip.

[VerticalDiscussions]

45 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

-snip-

True enough .

 

It wasnt my intention tough, at all, to claim Intel makes bad products.

[cj09beira]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Good point.  I forgot it's not a Skylake-X chip.

which makes things worse than before, so next year we weill have 2 kabylake gens with  different ipcs but the same name, great

[Drak3]

@done12many2@Sauron@leadeater@MageTank

 

Potential use cases for the 7740X:

Validation/diagnostics. With Xeon and X299 apparently not being compatible, there needs to be an option to system builders (and enthusiasts that build many systems).

Benchmarking on a unified platform. This is something YouTubers like JayzTwoCents would appreciate, as now they don't have to have a test bench for X99/299 AND Z170/270, and they swap CPUs on them fairly regularly.

Realistic entry level bid for those that can't afford the supposed $380 or so 7800X?

Toy for Done12many2?

 

Potential, REALISTIC, use cases for the 7640X.

Validation/Diagnostics.

Idiocy tester.

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

which makes things worse than before, so next year we weill have 2 kabylake gens with  different ipcs but the same name, great

Same IPC, damn near the same chip. 100MHz improvement if OP's article used a completely average 7740X.