7900X reviewed!

[AnonymousGuy]

30 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-7900X-10-core-Skylake-X-Processor-Review/Thread-Thread-Latency-and-

 

 

Inter-core latency is going to be a big topic once we get the 12c and above i9s and Threadripper.  (There's some arguments their Ryzen timings aren't quite right after it jumps the CCX, but we'll leave that aside for now.)  Lower gaming performance is going to result from this in a bunch of cases, though most of the Ryzen patching should help.

 

I'm curious how the 16c/18c hold up for latency, since that's the MCC die compared to the LCC die.

I read this as threadripper is going to shit the bed when it needs to jump die ?

[done12many2]

12 minutes ago, leadeater said:

For stuff I buy for myself I am much the same, I even brought a brand new IBM x3500 M4 for myself and filled it with SSDs and then connected it to my workstation using dual 10Gb DAC.

 

I need this in my life.  I want something like this NOW!  I'm using a Synology DS1815+ for all of my bulk storage and gigabit is killing me.  

 

Do you have the dual 10Gb setup in Link Aggregation or just for standard redundancy?  I understand that it doesn't double your bandwidth, but it does come in handy when pushing stuff to multiple rigs on a network.  I use it now on Gigabit right now to help out.  

 

 

 

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My next upgrades I'm working on are also NVMe.

 

Something about storage TB of stuff on something the size of a stick of gum.  

 

[MageTank]

@leadeater @done12many2 I should get some extra Primocache keys for you guys, lol. Get a couple large NVMe drives, and cache your entire array of spinners with extreme PCIe speeds. Block-level cache sure is amazing, lol. 

[AnonymousGuy]

2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I need this in my life.  I want something like this NOW!  I'm using a Synology DS1815+ for all of my bulk storage and gigabit is killing me.  

 

Do you have the dual 10Gb setup in Link Aggregation or just for standard redundancy?  I understand that it doesn't double your bandwidth, but it does come in handy when pushing stuff to multiple rigs on a network.  I use it now on Gigabit right now to help out.  

 

 

This is what I did without spending shitloads on a server chassis. 

 

they stack on on each other and have 3 fans at the front. 

[Deli]

8 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I need this in my life.  I want something like this NOW!  I'm using a Synology DS1815+ for all of my bulk storage and gigabit is killing me.  

 

Do you have the dual 10Gb setup in Link Aggregation or just for standard redundancy?  I understand that it doesn't double your bandwidth, but it does come in handy when pushing stuff to multiple rigs on a network.  I use it now on Gigabit right now to help out.  

 

 

 

 

Something about storage TB of stuff on something the size of a stick of gum.  

 

This is PC porn. Just look at the picture is enough to get my blood pressure double.

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, MageTank said:

@leadeater @done12many2 I should get some extra Primocache keys for you guys, lol.

 

You're trying to get added to my Christmas card mail out.  I like your style.  

 

2 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Get a couple large NVMe drives, and cache your entire array of spinners with extreme PCIe speeds. Block-level cache sure is amazing, lol. 

 

As is stands right now, caching ain't going to help much unless it was somehow happening on the workstation end?

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

This is what I did without spending shitloads on a server chassis. 

 

they stack on on each other and have 3 fans at the front. 

 

That's nice bud.  What are you using for a board and controller?

[PCGuy_5960]

15 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

That's nice bud.  What are you using for a board and controller?

If you want to DIY, this is the board to get:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/X48H99/asrock-motherboard-x99extreme11

18 SATA ports!

[AnonymousGuy]

6 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

That's nice bud.  What are you using for a board and controller?

Storage Server in my signature.  Dual core Haswell, LSI raid card, Intel expander (god these things are cheap on ebay), Areca raid card (to run Archive drives that back up the main drives). X540-T2 for 10GbE hookup to my desktop...also cheap on ebay.

 

I just cut a hole in teh back of the case to run the SFF-8087 cables out to the racks of drives.

[sazrocks]

Don't know if anyone else mentioned those here, but in the tom's hardware review, the motherboard actually shut down while overclocking from power consumption. And this is just the 10 core, so I'm worried about the 18 core.

[Drak3]

12 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

-Snippity the high cap case-

 

Here I am, planning on having the prettiest file server ever!

If drive capacity ever becomes an issue, I'll just mod a second S340 to be an overglorified drive cage. Though, with my hopes of 32-36 lanes of M.2 NVMe goodness, I don't know if I'll need to. Leave the other 4 for basic bitch GPU and some NICs on the Chipset lanes.

[MageTank]

13 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

You're trying to get added to my Christmas card mail out.  I like your style.  

 

 

As is stands right now, caching ain't going to help much unless it was somehow happening on the workstation end?

The beauty of Primocache is, it's completely software agnostic. It's all done on a block-level. 

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PrimoCache fulfills an intelligent cache replacement algorithm which optimally determines cache blocks needed to be discarded to make room for new data when cache space is full. This cache algorithm combines two normal algorithms which are Least Frequently Used (LFU) and Least Recently Used (LRU), and provides a better cache hit ratio. It is self-tuning and requires no user-specified parameters.

 

One of the PrimoCache's core components is a storage class filter driver which resides in the storage stack, intercepting I/O requests for data on disk. If requested data is contained in the cache, this request can be served by simply reading the cache, which is comparably faster. Otherwise the data has to be fetched from disk. Hence, the more requests can be served from the cache the better the overall system performance is.

In a more simple explanation, Primocache will cache the most frequently access blocks on your drives, and cache them to your SSD cache. So instead of having to access those blocks off of slow drives, it fetches that data from your SSD cache instead. Responsiveness is out of this world, and it helps make slow spinners feel fast. Since it's done on a block level, it doesn't care what the data itself is, and doesn't have to be large enough to contain the entire files (like a file-level cache does). I am sure you storage experts know better than I do, but you can read up on it here: https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/

 

I personally use a 20GB level-1 cache with my ram, as a write-defer buffer to keep mundane writes from hitting my SSD's, prolonging their lifespan. I then run a level-2 SSD cache to cache slow spinners that hold my games, so that the frequently accessed blocks are loaded quicker, reducing load times on my frequently played titles. If you want to give it a try, I have an extra key that I did not use. Might be worth a look if you have the free time. If I could afford the platform any time soon, it would be the only reason I'd switch. 128GB means I would have a 100GB level-1 cache to play around with, along with a ton of M.2 slots (DIMM.2 be praised) to set up a massive level-2 cache. Sadly, I must make adult decisions and hold off on purchasing new toys. That doesn't mean I won't live through one of you though, lol. 

[OriAr]

The 7820X is looking quite nice.

Looks like I know what's my next CPU 

Thermals don't scare me, after running my 2600K at 97C while gaming for the last 6 years in the summer

 

[VagabondWraith]

4 minutes ago, OriAr said:

The 7820X is looking quite nice.

Looks like I know what's my next CPU 

Thermals don't scare me, after running my 2600K at 97C while gaming for the last 6 years in the summer

 

I freaked out a bit, but I think I'll stick to my plan and get the 7820X. My room temps are 16-18c year round, so temps should be fine.  

 

@done12many2 talked some sense into me. ?

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

I freaked out a bit, but I think I'll stick to my plan and get the 7820X. My room temps are 16-18c year round, so temps should be fine.  

 

I'm jealous.  My wife would punch me in the face.  

 

2 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

@done12many2 talked some sense into me. ?

 

Good to hear bud.  

 

16 minutes ago, MageTank said:

The beauty of Primocache is, it's completely software agnostic. It's all done on a block-level. 

In a more simple explanation, Primocache will cache the most frequently access blocks on your drives, and cache them to your SSD cache. So instead of having to access those blocks off of slow drives, it fetches that data from your SSD cache instead. Responsiveness is out of this world, and it helps make slow spinners feel fast. Since it's done on a block level, it doesn't care what the data itself is, and doesn't have to be large enough to contain the entire files (like a file-level cache does). I am sure you storage experts know better than I do, but you can read up on it here: https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/

 

I personally use a 20GB level-1 cache with my ram, as a write-defer buffer to keep mundane writes from hitting my SSD's, prolonging their lifespan. I then run a level-2 SSD cache to cache slow spinners that hold my games, so that the frequently accessed blocks are loaded quicker, reducing load times on my frequently played titles. If you want to give it a try, I have an extra key that I did not use. Might be worth a look if you have the free time. If I could afford the platform any time soon, it would be the only reason I'd switch. 128GB means I would have a 100GB level-1 cache to play around with, along with a ton of M.2 slots (DIMM.2 be praised) to set up a massive level-2 cache. Sadly, I must make adult decisions and hold off on purchasing new toys. That doesn't mean I won't live through one of you though, lol. 

 

I'm already caching on my rig, but but my bulk storage is done via a DS1815+ (8 bay) over a gigabit network.  Will Primocache still work with this configuration?

[The Benjamins]

I know I am linking a naughty site but they organized a lot of review site list, and hardware tested.

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-x-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-cpu-review-roundup-x299-platform/

 

and Silicon Lottery will sell Delided x299 CPU's at no added cost.

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all

[MageTank]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

I'm jealous.  My wife would punch me in the face.  

 

 

Good to hear bud.  

 

 

I'm already caching on my rig, but but my bulk storage is done via a DS1815+ (8 bay) over a gigabit network.  Will Primocache still work with this configuration?

Primocache can only cache local drives as far as I am aware. Network mapped drives can't be cached with it. 

[mynameisjuan]

12 minutes ago, OriAr said:

The 7820X is looking quite nice.

Looks like I know what's my next CPU 

Thermals don't scare me, after running my 2600K at 97C while gaming for the last 6 years in the summer

 

I dont think a lot of people realize how much stress you can put on a CPU in terms of temps and still be fine. Ive seen a handful of PCs run at 100c for 3-4 years at almost 24/7 usage and they are running solid. 70c+ is nothing I would be worrying about.

[VagabondWraith]

5 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I'm jealous.  My wife would punch me in the face.  

 

 

Good to hear bud.  

 

 

I'm already caching on my rig, but but my bulk storage is done via a DS1815+ (8 bay) over a gigabit network.  Will Primocache still work with this configuration?

The benefits of having my office in the basement. The ambient was 16.9c yesterday. Noice.  

[PCGuy_5960]

4 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

I dont think a lot of people realize how much stress you can put on a CPU in terms of temps and still be fine. Ive seen a handful of PCs run at 100c for 3-4 years at almost 24/7 usage and they are running solid. 70c+ is nothing I would be worrying about.

Yep, 100% agree. It's just that I am not comfortable with temps higher than 70C

[VagabondWraith]

8 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yep, 100% agree. It's just that I am not comfortable with temps higher than 70C

70 is not too bad honestly if overclocked. Stock settings yes because it doesn't give you much room to OC. I like my components cool too but I feel it's a good trade off with a bit higher temps with the increased performance.

 

This CPU will beat my old 6700K into the ground. Especially encoding/rendering/streaming and such. Gameplay wise will likely be better once new bios updates roll out and patches.

[done12many2]

14 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

The benefits of having my office in the basement. The ambient was 16.9c yesterday. Noice.  

 

Something to further ease your concerns bud.  Seems that some of the vendors were trying to make their own turbo profiles, which further complicated thing with temps.  

 

The 6 and 8 cores should really turn out to be some nice overclocking chips.  Especially when you consider that 4.5 GHz and higher is going to be common place on the 10 core part provided one has adequate cooling.  

 

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However, the road here was a rocky one, and many of us in the media had to retest the Skylake-X CPUs last minute to see the effects of the Turbo Boost Max 3. Since that road was rocky, we also saw vendors invent their own Turbo profiles, most of which throttled the CPU, but now that most vendors seem to have things under control, the public will probably not see the BIOS versions of weeks past. I also want to mention AVX512, as it shows Intel's commitment to increasing compute power in their latest CPUs.  

 

They increased peak FLOPs eight times over four generations, and that can't be ignored. Whatever made Intel drop the price of their 10-core part, also made the 7900X an attractive CPU for those with the budget.  

 

If anything, we know Intel won't just sit around and play the game as it has done for the past few years, and the 7900X is evidence of that.

Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8225/intel-core-i9-7900x-series-skylake-cpu-review/index9.html

 

[VagabondWraith]

@done12many2

 

Awesome. These problems I attribute the issues to new platform jitters. Kind of like Ryzen had issues and is getting better by the day. Just got home from work so I'm going to read up in a few!

[juri-han]

pretty disappointed with the gaming benchmarks ive seen so far, it could be issues with bios but i thought with the "smoothness" ppl talk about with ryzen 7 but with a higher clock speed it would blow everything away. looks like in most cases there is a 10-15 fps bump over ryzen but still behind the 7700k guess the clock speeds are just not high enough and every review ive seen said going over 4.5 is 100c land 

 

looks like ill have to wait for coffee lake or just go with a 1700 and OC, i want extra cores for future proofing but these chips run to hot and use way to much power and with much better looking chips coming down the road

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, juri-han said:

looks like ill have to wait for coffee lake or just go with a 1700 and OC, i want extra cores for future proofing but these chips run to hot and use way to much power and with much better looking chips coming down the road

 

The 1700 should serve you fine.  Enjoy it and the money saved.