AMD Readies 9 Threadripper models

[4960X]

inb4 you need dual NH-D15 on top of each other to cool threadripper.

[Exotath]

Eager to see the pricing.

 

This looks like a nice sweet spot: 

• 1976X 12c/24t 3.6ghz (4.1boost) 125w

[suits]

On 6/2/2017 at 4:18 PM, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I've just realized something: AMD may have a trouble in some market segments unless Intel goes all-in with high prices again. I'm referring to those going with the workstation platform for the PCIe lanes and quad-channel RAM, who may be well served by 8-core or even 6-core CPUs. Consumer Ryzen has the cores, but not the PCIe etc, and Threadripper starts at 10 (according to this rumor: they could still do a 2+2+2+2 CPU for X399). Hence, even if Intel's 10-core and above are more expensive, their 6 or maybe even 8-core could be cheaper than the entry-level Threadripper, while having all the X299 features. Then again, I could see a problem for AMD as well if they had to price X399 versions of Ryzen 5 and 7...

Needless to say, if Intel's 6-core parts are priced the same as the cheapest Threadripper, then they don't need to worry  

Right now intel looks to be pricing themselves out of competition (estimated $100 a core). Especially if $850-1000 for the 16c thread ripper is accurate. 

[Agosto]

I don't think 16c Threadrippers will be less than 1000. That would just be a good chunk of margin loss for AMD, since Intel isn't expected to sell the top i9 CPUs before 2018 according to recent rumours

[Taf the Ghost]

8 hours ago, Agost said:

I don't think 16c Threadrippers will be less than 1000. That would just be a good chunk of margin loss for AMD, since Intel isn't expected to sell the top i9 CPUs before 2018 according to recent rumours

The very top SKU might not be, as my own thinking was it'd come in around $1199.  However, AMD doesn't have any market share in the HEDT market.  At all. Thus, coming in with their top SKU, that will compete against Intel's 18c top SKU, for 1/2 the price is going to force people to pay attention.  

[Taf the Ghost]

https://videocardz.com/69760/engineering-sample-update

 

Quote

AMD Ryzen  & Ryzen Threadripper
AMD ZD1840A8UGAF4	16/32	3400	3700	AMD Whitehaven
AMD ZD1438A9UC9F4	12/24	3200	3592	Alienware unknown
AMD Eng Sample: 1D3101A8UGAF3_36/31_N	16/32	3100	3600	AMD Whitehaven
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920 12-Core Processor	12/24	3200	?	Alienware unknown
AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Quad-Core Processor	4/4	3100	3600	Biostar B350ET2

So we've got the first sighting of the real name.

 

Also, a Ryzen 3 sighting as well.

[Space Reptile]

1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

So we've got the first sighting of the real name.

if that is its real name , thats alot better than 1998X or so 

[The Benjamins]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

https://videocardz.com/69760/engineering-sample-update

 

So we've got the first sighting of the real name.

 

Also, a Ryzen 3 sighting as well.

I have a feel that we might not see 10c20t and 14c28t parts due to it not being a balanced config across the 4 ccx's.

But if they have 2-3 sku's per I think it will be fine.

[Taf the Ghost]

6 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I have a feel that we might not see 10c20t and 14c28t parts due to it not being a balanced config across the 4 ccx's.

But if they have 2-3 sku's per I think it will be fine.

There was a 3+1 & 4+2 Engineering Sample that showed up, so it seems doable. The issue is we don't know the effect on the Infinity fabric, especially as you ramp the speed up. So it might just be in this generation we won't see them.  Or we might not see them until a revision.

 

Still, that looks to be at least 4 SKUs at minimum.

[Drak3]

On 6/4/2017 at 6:12 PM, Agost said:

I don't think 16c Threadrippers will be less than 1000. That would just be a good chunk of margin loss for AMD, since Intel isn't expected to sell the top i9 CPUs before 2018 according to recent rumours

It wouldn't be a huge margin loss, actually. It's x2 Ryzen Octocore dies, which are pulling decent margins with the higher end hexacore configurations if we believe the BitsAndChips-entry Level Tr 16/32 for $850.

 

 

[The Benjamins]

6 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

There was a 3+1 & 4+2 Engineering Sample that showed up, so it seems doable. The issue is we don't know the effect on the Infinity fabric, especially as you ramp the speed up. So it might just be in this generation we won't see them.  Or we might not see them until a revision.

 

Still, that looks to be at least 4 SKUs at minimum.

well they made a point and saying that all of the ryzen 3, 5, 7 are balanced (2+2, 3+3) and it would make sense to want to have a balanced config. I am not expert but wouldn't is cause problems with the L3 cache that is shared?

 

I can see 3 sku's per core count like the R7's, one low power Sku another mid tier part that has at a good price and a halo tier part clocked higher and have a price premium. 

[Agosto]

1 hour ago, Drak3 said:

It wouldn't be a huge margin loss, actually. It's x2 Ryzen Octocore dies, which are pulling decent margins with the higher end hexacore configurations if we believe the BitsAndChips-entry Level Tr 16/32 for $850.

If the rumor of threadripper cpus costing about $120 for AMD to make, going from $850 to $1200 (a price which still makes sense, since the highest offering from Intel would be 12c in that territory) would mean roughly 45% higher margins

I'm talking about the flagship though, not about the lower SKU. Still, I think it could be ~$1000 

It's a bit difficult to make space for 10,12 and 14 core SKUs between $500 and $850 imho
 

[Norseman4]

On 6/1/2017 at 3:05 AM, sazrocks said:

That's epyc. Threadripper has only 2 dies.

A Ryzen CPU has 2 dies on the package. Threadripper is, essentially 2 Ryzens, while Epyc will be 4 of them.

 

So 2 dies for Ryzen, 4 dies for TR, 8 dies for Epyc.

[Taf the Ghost]

14 minutes ago, Agost said:

If the rumor of threadripper cpus costing about $120 for AMD to make, going from $850 to $1200 (a price which still makes sense, since the highest offering from Intel would be 12c in that territory) would mean roughly 45% higher margins

I'm talking about the flagship though, not about the lower SKU. Still, I think it could be ~$1000 

It's a bit difficult to make space for 10,12 and 14 core SKUs between $500 and $850 imho
 

Looking a lot like we aren't going to see 10 & 14 core models. They can clearly do it, but we don't know the details for other issues that it could cause. (Might cause IF issues during faster Memory Settings, for instance.) So it seems at 4 SKUs at minimum.

 

12c24t 3.2 Gghz / 3.7 Ghz boost

12c24t X / X

16c32t 3.1 Ghz / 3.6 Ghz boost

16c32t 3.4 Ghz / 3.7 Ghz boost

 

We'll see from there, as it seems 3.2 to 3.3 Ghz is about peak in the perf/watt curve for the Ryzen process.  I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 1960X model (let's go with that) above the 3.4 / 3.7 model with a higher XFR range.  At some level, that's the point of the XFR system, actually.

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, Norseman4 said:

A Ryzen CPU has 2 dies on the package. Threadripper is, essentially 2 Ryzens, while Epyc will be 4 of them.

 

So 2 dies for Ryzen, 4 dies for TR, 8 dies for Epyc.

Common misconception. 

 

The CCX is a 4-core Design.  The Zen module is 2 CCXes on a Single Die.  Thus, Ryzen is 1 die; Threadripper is 2 dies; Epyc is 4 dies.  Each die has 8 cores and 2 CCX. 

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, Norseman4 said:

A Ryzen CPU has 2 dies on the package. Threadripper is, essentially 2 Ryzens, while Epyc will be 4 of them.

 

So 2 dies for Ryzen, 4 dies for TR, 8 dies for Epyc.

No Ryzen is a single die, inside the die it has two CCX's. TR is two dies and Eypc is 4 dies.

[NumLock21]

Vdz got info on a es sample model 1920, which is for alienware. 

[Thony]

Those model numbers..... And no 2017 model !

[Linus_torvalds]

On 6/1/2017 at 11:12 AM, WereCat said:

Despite this being 155W TDP, I think it will be actually easier to cool due to the huge surface area and all the heat spread across 4 dies.

Heat is not spread across 4 dies, they ARE the source of the heat. I think it will need pretty darn good air cooler or water cooler like H110

[grimreeper132]

anyone know rough pricing or we all still sitting in the dark about that??? especially interested in the 10 core flavours and maybe 12 core ones (depending how much they cost) just so I know as they look great, and like they will overclock similar if not the same to the R7s and R5s, to about 4GHz which will be a beast of a CPU if that's true

[Taf the Ghost]

27 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

anyone know rough pricing or we all still sitting in the dark about that??? especially interested in the 10 core flavours and maybe 12 core ones (depending how much they cost) just so I know as they look great, and like they will overclock similar if not the same to the R7s and R5s, to about 4GHz which will be a beast of a CPU if that's true

We have no confirmation on the 10 or 14 core models, yet.  They're technically possible, but no Engineering Samples or testing with them have shown up. So you'll simply have to wait and see, though one of the sources that's had good information put out the thought of $849 for the lowest-clocked 16c. Most people are expecting them to fill in the 500-700 USD range for at least a few SKUs.

 

As for OC'ing the CPUs, I'd imagine 3.9 Ghz is going to be a fairly standard, stable OC. The best dies are going to be in Epyc, while Threadripper should have the solid set of the second-tier ones.  Plus, they might be a further stepping than the launch Ryzen chips, so maybe 4.1 Ghz will be more common.  Given it's two packages, I'd expect a super-high OC, for Ryzen, to be less common.  Still, 16c at 3.9 Ghz on a reasonable amount of wattage for that, is pretty dang amazing, given what is currently available at the moment.

[grimreeper132]

9 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

We have no confirmation on the 10 or 14 core models, yet.  They're technically possible, but no Engineering Samples or testing with them have shown up. So you'll simply have to wait and see, though one of the sources that's had good information put out the thought of $849 for the lowest-clocked 16c. Most people are expecting them to fill in the 500-700 USD range for at least a few SKUs.

 

As for OC'ing the CPUs, I'd imagine 3.9 Ghz is going to be a fairly standard, stable OC. The best dies are going to be in Epyc, while Threadripper should have the solid set of the second-tier ones.  Plus, they might be a further stepping than the launch Ryzen chips, so maybe 4.1 Ghz will be more common.  Given it's two packages, I'd expect a super-high OC, for Ryzen, to be less common.  Still, 16c at 3.9 Ghz on a reasonable amount of wattage for that, is pretty dang amazing, given what is currently available at the moment.

fair enough, the next question isn't super important, but does these CPUs come with a stock cooler, or is it going to need to be an aftermarket one

[leadeater]

11 hours ago, mate_mate91 said:

Heat is not spread across 4 dies, they ARE the source of the heat. I think it will need pretty darn good air cooler or water cooler like H110

It's not spread yes but the chip as a whole is power limited and they have a rated TDP, higher than Ryzen of course. With a larger area producing similar heat output you get greater heat transfer meaning it is easier to cool.

 

We already know from actual testing the current AMD CPUs use about the same power as Intel's so what ever is required to cool those on compatible CPU SKUs is what will work for AMD too.

 

Just remember all TDP figures from both companies are a lie.

[Prysin]

10 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 Just remember all figures from both companies are a lie.

Fix'd

[leadeater]

Just now, Prysin said:

Fix'd

Not sure how Intel is lying about core counts but hey I'll go with it