Why buy ryzen for gaming when a 7700K performs better

[smokefest]

Why would you buy a Ryzen for gaming only when a 7700K is 10-20% better in Games ???

 

Even in 4k you still get 5-10% gain in half of the games on the market now.

 

Any idea why would you buy a ryzen for gaming only ?

[DocSwag]

You shouldn't. People shouldn't.

 

For pure gamers an R7 CPU isn't a good choice. Now if you're streaming or doing editing, that's different. But if you're purely gaming, a 7700k is better.

 

Most people recommending R7 CPUs for pure gamers are fanboys.

[Guest]

Better minimums, and games will only start to use more cores so the extra cores will treat you better down the line.

[genexis_x]

IMO, for 1080p/1440p gaming ONLY, 6700K/7700K still the best CPUs.

[FIXXX]

Don't get an R7. 

Get the 7700.

 

BUT if you want to get the R7 - get the R7.

Otherwise - get the 7700. 

It's really that simple.

 

PS: If you don't want to get the 7700 - get the R7, and vice versa.

[Guest]

Just now, DocSwag said:

You shouldn't. People shouldn't.

 

For pure gamers an R7 CPU isn't a good choice. Now if you're streaming or doing editing, that's different. But if you're purely gaming, a 7700k is better.

 

Most people recommending R7 CPUs for pure gamers are fanboys.

Depends how much money the "pure gamer" also. If they want to keep the PC for 2-3 years Ryzen will work much better (possibly even one, depending how long it takes for developers to implement multiple cores) But if they are just going to upgrade to what Intel has next year, then the 7700k is the better choice.

[DocSwag]

Just now, Abyss Gaming said:

Depends how much money the "pure gamer" also. If they want to keep the PC for 2-3 years Ryzen will work much better (possibly even one, depending how long it takes for developers to implement multiple cores) But if they are just going to upgrade to what Intel has next year, then the 7700k is the better choice.

I would say you're gonna be waiting at least 3 years for Ryzen to actually start flat out beating the 7700k.

[PCGuy_5960]

12 hours ago, Abyss Gaming said:

Better minimums, and games will only start to use more cores so the extra cores will treat you better down the line.

Marginally better minimums... And Ryzen's CCXs will be holding it back even if games start using more cores.

 

12 hours ago, Abyss Gaming said:

If they want to keep the PC for 2-3 years Ryzen will work much better (possibly even one, depending how long it takes for developers to implement multiple cores)

If consoles continue to have 8 threads I don't think a lot of games will be able to use more than 8 threads TBH...

[Bananasplit_00]

you dont, i recomend them to people who game AND do heavy multi tasking/streaming/edeting, like i do. 100 chrome tabs eats a few fps but its going to be less noticable on a octacore then a quadcore. the R7 is going to see a brighter future but thats also going to be a while, i would say maybe 2-3 years or so before we can see them tied and by that point we will have newer CPUs that outpreform both by a segnifigant margin hopefully. the R5 1600 is the CPU that makes sense from the Ryzen lineup though. its better value then an I5

[Syntaxvgm]

because some of the ryzen parts are significantly cheaper, especially the 4c/8t or 6c/12t ones. Value is more important the raw performance to some. 

That said, I don't plan on it. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Marginally better minimums... And Ryzen's CCXs will be holding it back even if games start using more cores.

ehhh the minimum increases I have seen were pretty significant, maybe I'm mistaken, though. 

 

2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I would say you're gonna be waiting at least 3 years for Ryzen to actually start flat out beating the 7700k.

Idk I'd say 2 tops. 

 

But if OP wants to get 7700k he can I have nothing against it and he won't be dissapointed with either one. But the 1700 will be supported longer since next years CPUs will use a different socket on the Intel side.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If consoles continue to have 8 threads I don't think a lot of games will be able to use more than 8 threads TBH...

True, consoles are the focus points for many developers.

[B-17rocks]

It depends on what YOU want AMD in my opinion is fine for gaming and the minimums arent a little better there alot better i would rather play at 60fps with a minimum of 50 than 120fps with a minimum of 30

[bimmerman]

Need more cores over raw clock speed? I.e. you want a workstation beast that can game pretty well? Buy Ryzen.

 

Need raw clock speed over core count? I.e. you want a gaming beast that can do work pretty well? Buy Intel.

 

Exceptions apply as always, but the exceptions are niche cases.

 

Neither CPU is bad, even for gaming; the differences in FPS are way overblown unless you're A) using a high-refresh monitor and/or B) utterly incapable of turning down detail settings to meet whatever arbitrary FPS threshold you've decided to care about. If you don't fall under those camps, Ryzen could be a good fit for you. If you do, Intel's your chip.

[PCGuy_5960]

12 hours ago, Abyss Gaming said:

ehhh the minimum increases I have seen were pretty significant, maybe I'm mistaken, though. 

Minimums aren't really higher on Ryzen, but frametimes are lower, which makes the game smoother. But this is because Ryzen has more cores, X99 CPUs also have lower frametimes than a 7700K

 

12 hours ago, Abyss Gaming said:

True, consoles are the focus points for many developers.

Yeah, this is why games really like the 7700K's Hyperthreads. Because current consoles are using very weak AMD Jaguar cores..

[SteveGrabowski0]

10 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

I would say you're gonna be waiting at least 3 years for Ryzen to actually start flat out beating the 7700k.

I would venture four years, mainly because there probably won't be a new generation of consoles until 2020 and you should probably add another year for a time delay between when games are optimized for the old console vs the new one. Until then games are going to be optimized for very weak octacores since that's what is in PS4/PS4 Pro/XBox One/XBox Scorpio and the consoles are both the lowest common denominator and the platforms AAA games sell best on. So the hyperthreading on quadcore i7 is enough so that even the best parallelized games of this generation won't overwhelm them. Maybe they will next console generation if Sony or Microsoft put out a console with a decent octacore cpu.

[smokefest]

Yeah I gotta agree,

 

I don't think Games will start using more than 8 thread soon...

 

I mean.. we had 8 thread cpu since first i7 gen, thats like 7 years ago, and we still have like 95% of games running on maximum 4 cores...

 

Before the time we see games using mroe than 8 thread I feel like there will be new CPU's already on the market

[smokefest]

1 minute ago, huilun02 said:

When you have a limited budget and can get an unlocked 4c/8t way cheaper than the Intel equivalent

I would go for ryzen instead of an i5 for sure.

 

But for MAX performance gaming, I mean, best cpu is still 6700k/7700k for sure

[PCGuy_5960]

20 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Now if you're streaming or doing editing, that's different. 

Depends on the software you use  The 7700K destroys every Ryzen (and X99) CPU in Adobe Photoshop and After Effects.

[SteveGrabowski0]

3 minutes ago, smokefest said:

I would go for ryzen instead of an i5 for sure.

 

But for MAX performance gaming, I mean, best cpu is still 6700k/7700k for sure

Yeah I would definitely take an R5 1600 over any i5. The straight quadcore era is over, new games have been optimized for 8 threads since 2014 (one year after PS4 and XB1 came out with their low clockspeed, low IPC octacore cpus). It's why I bought a Xeon E3-1231v3 cpu in 2014 when I would have bought an i5-3570 or i5-4670 for sure if I built my system in 2012 or 2013.

[DocSwag]

4 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Depends on the software you use  The 7700K destroys every Ryzen (and X99) CPU in Adobe Photoshop and After Effects.

true  

[SpaceGhostC2C]

23 minutes ago, smokefest said:

Why would you buy a Ryzen for gaming only when a 7700K is 10-20% better in Games ???

 

Even in 4k you still get 5-10% gain in half of the games on the market now.

 

Any idea why would you buy a ryzen for gaming only ?

Because it's only 10-20% better in games when you pair them with the best GPUs, at certain resolutions/details that make you CPU bound.
When you move out of test benches and bring them to people's typical systems, you won't necessarily get a 10-20% difference. That is, instead of getting 150 FPS vs 120 FPS in the 144Hz monitor used for tests, they'll get 80 FPS vs 80 FPS in their 1080p60Hz screen, because that's what their 480 / 1060 at best can deliver.

However, while the performance gap changes as you move from test bench to average Joe, the price difference remains, and a 7700K is >$100 more expensive than an unlocked 6-core Ryzen 5. And the 6- and 8-core parts may often improve the minimums over the i7, despite getting lower averages in test benches.

 

So, basically some gamers buy them because they make much more sense in their budgets. Money better spent on the GPU.

[smokefest]

3 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Because it's only 10-20% better in games when you pair them with the best GPUs, at certain resolutions/details that make you CPU bound.
When you move out of test benches and bring them to people's typical systems, you won't necessarily get a 10-20% difference. That is, instead of getting 150 FPS vs 120 FPS in the 144Hz monitor used for tests, they'll get 80 FPS vs 80 FPS in their 1080p60Hz screen, because that's what their 480 / 1060 at best can deliver.

However, while the performance gap changes as you move from test bench to average Joe, the price difference remains, and a 7700K is >$100 more expensive than an unlocked 6-core Ryzen 5. And the 6- and 8-core parts may often improve the minimums over the i7, despite getting lower averages in test benches.

 

So, basically some gamers buy them because they make much more sense in their budgets. Money better spent on the GPU.

Makes sense.

 

But when speaking about best performance for gaming, was assuming pairing the CPU with a high-end GPU ( 1070 and + )

 

 

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, smokefest said:

Why would you buy a Ryzen for gaming only when a 7700K is 10-20% better in Games ???

 

Even in 4k you still get 5-10% gain in half of the games on the market now.

 

Any idea why would you buy a ryzen for gaming only ?

I think it depends on the games. Battlefield is one of those games that can use the 8 cores provided. 

 

I go off the games people enjoy to play. 

[Guest Darth Revan]

For gaming? 7700K.