Intel 7700K - Complacent CPU or Ryzen Killer?

[jagdtigger]

1 minute ago, Jorgen297 said:

I did bro, but if the CPU decodes it, I can just record the decoded stream onto my monitor right?

Little background:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2908089/all-about-playready-30-microsofts-secret-plan-to-lock-down-4k-movies-to-your-pc.html

 

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all-new monitor and cables that support both HDMI 2.0 and the new HDCP 2.2 copy-protection standard—which, chances are, none of your existing hardware does.

So capture cards are busted....

[Drunken Savior]

Kind of let down by this, but not wholly surprised.  Been looking for a new CPU for my 980Ti and was hoping that the 7700k would have more surprises up its sleeve.  Gonna wait for Ryzen to drop to see if prices drop (hah), but I still might get this just because I'm tired of my CPU heavy games starting to chug (relatively), want to get nvme M.2 storage, PCI-E 3.0, and just kinda retire my old P68 board.

 

Just kinda sucks to 'upgrade' from a CPU I absolutely love (2600k) to something I'm really meh about (7700k).

 

Or maybe I'll just sell my 980Ti (I have a perspective buyer) and put that towards a 1080Ti....or just buy some other fun stuff (Mtg, another 27" 1440p monitor, stuff for my car).

[Space Reptile]

 

[Levis95l]

2 hours ago, imreloadin said:

Talks about 5-7% increase in performance between Skylake and Kaby Lake while Kaby Lake CPU is overclocked 6.52% higher than the Skylake CPU....
in other words there is ZERO increase in performance from Skylake to Kaby Lake, gg Intel...gg

Well, Kaby Lake overclocks higher. How is that not performance increase? Good luck finding 6700Ks that do 5 GHz (or even 4.9).

[Levis95l]

Isn't Kaby Lake using something that Intel calls FinFet Plus, enabling the higher clocks. Nothing significant, but I think it was false when you stressed that they'd be using the *exact* same manufacturing process as with Skylake.

[Granular]

Saying Intel needs to be 'taking down/killing/whatever' the unreleased Ryzen is silly. It's not released and will be at best as fast as Kaby Lake on average while offering cheaper 6 and 8 core options, but it's not like Intel can't lower their prices. Unlike AMD, they still have their own fabs.

[imreloadin]

8 hours ago, Levis95l said:

Well, Kaby Lake overclocks higher. How is that not performance increase? Good luck finding 6700Ks that do 5 GHz (or even 4.9).

You talk as if it's guaranteed to over clock higher lol. It's not. You will always have the silicon lottery. We have no idea on what the average overclock for these chips will be because they're too new. It's entirely possible that the reviewers got cherry picked CPUs too.

[visitor2015]

I think I will wait for Skylake-X and X299-chipset and see if it is worth to replace my i7-2600K and P67 platform. The relatively minimal performance gain from Sandy Bridge to Kaby Lake does not justify spending the money now.

[Princess Luna]

I can't see any gain whatsoever in real life between my i7 6700 vs the i7 7700, identical cache, same lithography, 0,2ghz higher core clock? I mean I suppose I should be glad that considering here in my country the 7700 is being shipped exactly 100 US Dollars more expansive than what I paid for my brand new 6700 I am literally losing nothing for rushing up my new pc for the new year turning.

[Mooshi]

Honestly, it's not the mediocre performance increase that leaves the bad taste in my mouth, it's the scumbag deal between Microsoft, Intel and Netflix for 4k streaming that's disgusting.

[jagdtigger]

1 hour ago, Mooshi said:

Honestly, it's not the mediocre performance increase that leaves the bad taste in my mouth, it's the scumbag deal between Microsoft, Intel and Netflix for 4k streaming that's disgusting.

While i do agree with you i think in this case netflix isnt the one we  should blame, its the media industry mafia...

 

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Look at the bright side, we wont have to change CPU's that often anymore...

Edited January 5, 2017 by jagdtigger

[visitor2015]

1 hour ago, jagdtigger said:

While i do agree with you i think in this case netflix isnt the one we  should blame, its the media industry mafia..

And the mafia does not recognize, that they are riding a dead horse for years. And they are not willing to dismount from that dead (DRM/contentprotection-)horse. They lost already. I hope that that WIntelFlix-conglomerate does not have any success. Brace yourselfs, dark times are coming then.

[DKL]

I'm actually happy if I don't need to change CPU hardware often. Means I have more budget to put towards my GPU! >:D

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, visitor2015 said:

And the mafia does not recognize, that they are riding a dead horse for years. And they are not willing to dismount from that dead (DRM/contentprotection-)horse. They lost already. I hope that that WIntelFlix-conglomerate does not have any success. Brace yourselfs, dark times are coming then.

Microsoft has a fundamental understanding that too much DRM = pissed off consumers, and I think it's reasonable that Microsoft would want 4K Netflix playback on any Windows 10 system with capable hardware, but were strong armed out of it. It could win over some holdouts, and it would keep current Win 10 users happy (and thus more likely to purchase a Microsoft OS again).

[Levis95l]

On 01/05/2017 at 7:47 PM, imreloadin said:

You talk as if it's guaranteed to over clock higher lol. It's not. You will always have the silicon lottery. We have no idea on what the average overclock for these chips will be because they're too new. It's entirely possible that the reviewers got cherry picked CPUs too.

I don't say overclock is ever guaranteed. But the default clock is higher with Kaby Lake - guaranteed. And based on all the reviews there's more overclocking headroom too, that's why I mentioned that 5 GHz number. The increase in base clock would be meaningless if the limits during overclocking would remain the same.

 

Now, of course it's possible that the review samples are cherry picked. But at this point there's nothing to suggest that.

[Princess Luna]

One thing I don't quite get it is why does Intel label review samples as "Classified" and not just the processors name? all you have to do is plug it in the motherboard and fire it up to see what CPU it is and on every review channel people will write what CPU it is on it any ways, is this solely to avoid major issues with the mail service?

[2FA]

20 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

One thing I don't quite get it is why does Intel label review samples as "Classified" and not just the processors name? all you have to do is plug it in the motherboard and fire it up to see what CPU it is and on every review channel people will write what CPU it is on it any ways, is this solely to avoid major issues with the mail service?

They are engineering samples, the special IHS has a number on it that is associated with the person/company the ES was sent to. If Intel discovers that someone else owns the ES whether it was gifted or sold, the original recipient is likely to have a lawsuit against them.

 

EDIT: Better to say they can be either engineering or review samples.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

They are engineering samples, the special IHS has a number on it that is associated with the person/company the ES was sent to. If Intel discovers that someone else owns the ES whether it was gifted or sold, the original recipient is likely to have a lawsuit against them.

I see so its for better control so these don't end up where they don't belong, but say if Linus himself wanted to build his personal rig using one of these CPU, that'd be fine right?

[2FA]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

I see so its for better control so these don't end up where they don't belong, but say if Linus himself wanted to build his personal rig using one of these CPU, that'd be fine right?

Yeah as long as it the person who received is in possession, they can use it for whatever. I'm pretty sure JayzTwoCents CPU that is in his own rig is a sample CPU as well.

[cometic]

Honestly, I think that Intel has created quite possibly the biggest stalemate in the CPU industry. In all seriousness - I see no differences between Kaby Lake and Skylake other than faster base clock speeds. A Skylake chip can run as fast as a Kaby Lake chip with a mild overclock. I mean, come on. I bought an i5-6600k the day before Kaby Lake came out. I am a little bummed out, but I am just going to wait for Cannonlake to come out and upgrade then.

 

That's just my opinion though. I think AMD has something special for us and I look to see team red take the CPU industry again.

[jagdtigger]

6 hours ago, cometic said:

Honestly, I think that Intel has created quite possibly the biggest stalemate in the CPU industry. In all seriousness - I see no differences between Kaby Lake and Skylake other than faster base clock speeds. A Skylake chip can run as fast as a Kaby Lake chip with a mild overclock. I mean, come on. I bought an i5-6600k the day before Kaby Lake came out. I am a little bummed out, but I am just going to wait for Cannonlake to come out and upgrade then.

 

That's just my opinion though. I think AMD has something special for us and I look to see team red take the CPU industry again.

It wont worth it IMHO. It will have some very marginal improvements just like the ones after 4th gen... Just get a very good cooler and apply some hardcore OC.

Edited January 9, 2017 by jagdtigger

[ESPImperium]

With such marginal improvements both my Skylake systems will see me through another couple of years, and my Intel 6500 in my HTPC will get my 6700K when I upgrade my main system to a X99 system for content creation/better workflow at a later date. At that later date I'm sure that Intel will surly have Optane and 4K HDR on the 2011-3 and X99 chipsets.

 

For a 300mhz improvement, I see no real improvement. And as for the 4K DRM locking out thing, I can see governments being involved to stop companies operating as what is essentially a cartel in my eyes.

 

As it is, I'm sure that AMD are just about to catch up and kick Intel right in the balls with Ryzen. AMD are genuinely looking as if they are a good alternative at the moment on the CPU front. Lets see what the next 18 months look like, as it will be telling for the consumer end of things, might be like the early to mid 00s for me where I switched to AMD as they were better for Intel for what I needed at that moment in time.

[DKL]

@cometic Honestly, I'd wait at least 4 more processor generations before considering any need to upgrade the CPU. Kabylake is about a 5% increase from Skylake, where as historically it would've been closer to a 20% increase. 

[Drak3]

On ‎1‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 5:11 PM, DeadEyePsycho said:

Yeah as long as it the person who received is in possession, they can use it for whatever.

Once the production CPUs come out, Intel doesn't care what reviewers do with their "engineering" samples.

I'm pretty sure JayzTwoCents also gave a sample CPU to CoconutMonkey for his birthday build.