What's up with coverage of AMD?

[MageTank]

11 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

They're referring to AMD products in general.

 

Linus did a review of a Korean Monitor which supported Freesync. Linus did not attempt to use or talk about support with an AMD GPU as an unbiased reviewer would.

 

Later he tried to justify this by saying that the majority of people wouldn't be using and AMD GPU if they were even using a powerful enough AMD GPU at all.

 

This is wrong and as a reviewer he was wrong. Showing the use of an Nvidia GPU ALL THE TIME in videos which don't require an Nvidia GPU also goes a long way. You guys are biased. If you weren't then you would have no issue using AMD GPUs in videos like the desk PC or in case reviews. Instead you are actively showing off Nvidia GPUs. This may not be intentional but the results are dramatic.

 

That doesn't mean that your channel should be littered with Nintendo content. Just how just because you really like Nvidia GPUs, you show AMD GPUs the minimum amount possible.

So what is it then?  Blatant ignorance? Stupidity? Taking on extra money from Nvidia?

 

Why are you so heavily leaning towards Nvidia and not being unbiased.

Don't you get it? It's not about whether or not you speak about them or show them off.

 

It's about HOW you do it.

This is completely fine and perfectly normal.

Again, this isn't about you saying something. This is about you doing things.

 

When Ryzen officially comes out, make a build log with their CPU and GPU instead of always doing one with Intel + Nvidia.

Actually they aren't. They're borderline negative comments coming from somebody who has a bias towards Intel and Nvidia.

You haven't done anything inherently wrong as such but your ethics and behavior are questionable.

Prove it. Remake the RX 480 vs GTX 1060 video and show off how the RX 480 destroys the GTX 1060 with the new edition of AMD drivers.

Linus addresses issues in an anything but public manner. But that's a topic for another day.

If I have any leftover money this holiday I'll be sure to subscribe to Floatplane. This is unrelated but could you add pre-paid FloatPlane Digital Gift Cards so that we can buy 6 months or a year of floatplane in advanced? I'd really love support for that.

 

Also, if you see Nick Light could you ask him to check his PMs? I've sent him a business enquiry via PM (even though I probably should have done it by email)

I don't disagree with you, but I do understand to a degree why they use Nvidia products in builds like the desk build, and their high end builds in general. AMD's best card atm, is in the realm of budget gaming (price:performance). They don't have a card that can actively compete with the GTX 1070/GTX 1080, let alone the Titan XP. So exotic builds often require eye catching hardware, which for most people, is the expensive stuff they can't afford. A lot of people watch videos to live vicariously through others, so seeing hardware like that is interesting to them.

 

I do agree that not mentioning freesync on that monitor was pretty silly. Even if a single AMD GPU struggled to fully drive that monitor, it doesn't change the fact that Freesync (or adaptive sync tech in general) is a huge selling point for monitors these days. I'd gladly sacrifice graphical fidelity for a smooth, tear-free experience. Showcasing how it performed with one of it's features just seems like common sense at this point, even if it were to fail to do so, you could at least say "It has it, just does't work well with the hardware we have available" or "crossfire required". 

 

AMD's biggest issue (in both the GPU and CPU world) is that they are behind the curve. By the time they do release a product, their competition already has another product ready to outshine them. Luckily, the CPU world has slowed down enough that AMD can catch them with Zen, and if the rumored prices are even remotely true, they will most definitely catch the attention of general consumers and enthusiasts alike. As for GPU's, they need something to answer the GTX 1070/1080, so Vega has to deliver, and deliver fast.

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, Scitesh said:

$91 Shipping

Yeah, those in other countries definitely have it rough.

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, MageTank said:

I don't disagree with you, but I do understand to a degree why they use Nvidia products in builds like the desk build, and their high end builds in general. AMD's best card atm, is in the realm of budget gaming (price:performance).

That and almost every review card they have been allowed to keep and therefore can actually use in a build is an Nvidia card, it's rather hard to feature AMD cards in videos if you have 1 or none. You also don't use old cards in videos either, seriously you can't hype up a video with an old card from the Fury range and the RX480 just isn't that impressive compared to a 1080 or Titan XP.

 

Earlier this year LTT showed a lot of love to the Fury Nano in their tiny/specialty builds they did, that showcased that card very well in my opinion. Putting a Fury Nano in the desk PC build would just look silly.

[Space Reptile]

9 hours ago, Prysin said:

AMD card cannot get 100 FPS at 3440x1440p

it does not take much to play csgo at that res w/ 100fps+ , and a lot of people will use the monitor for exactly that , E sports

 

that's the thing I didn't like about that review , while it was okay otherwise ,

not giving numbers on reaction times and not testing the freesync capability (one of its biggest selling points)  was downright SHIT

 

while I still enjoy LMG content and will continue to do so ,

I have to agree w/ others that some videos are just bad , no amount of sexy B roll is gonna change a half assed review

 

what happened to stuff that took effort like SLIFIRE , I wanna see a Vulcan/dx12 followup on that aswell that would make a fun video

 

 

[Prysin]

7 hours ago, leadeater said:

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You can raise awareness even to the "wrong" demographic by just explaining WHAT frame-timing means.

 

it is rather simple to explain. The more "up and down" the graph is. The more the game is lagging/stuttering despite having high FPS numbers. It's not hard explaining to someone why two burgers weighs the same, looks the same but taste different. We all understand the concept of quality. And that is what frame timing is. The concept of quality testing.

 

Take the R9 390X vs GTX 980 vs R9 Fury. The GTX 980 was terrible value due to being weaker then the Fury, but more or less equally priced, but more expensive then the 390X and not neccessarily that much faster. HOWEVER, the GTX 980 had consistently better frame-times, and as such it was proven that it provided a better quality to the end user, despite the lower FPS.

 

THIS is why Frame timing is so important. Averages means nothing in the face of frame-timings. We both know that the R9 295x2 is an amazing card, but we both know that crossfire has frame-timing issues, mind you less then there used to be, but it is there. I get the same FPS as a GTX 1080 give or take a few %, but i have more stuttering due to crossfire. It isn't unplayably stuttering, But IT IS stuttering. So despite teh 295x2 being cheaper, as fast and seemingly great and all in a avg FPS comparison, the issue at hand is that the QUALITY is not comparable to a 1080. 

 

You dont need to be an enthusiast to understand that concept. And you don't need to be a fucking rocket scientist in order to explain that in a simple way.

 

 

A simple intro into the benchmarking section of a video saying "As Always we are using OCAT/FCAT to test frame timings. This means that the less smooth the lines are, the less smooth is the picture on your screen".

 

Then you make a simple "Techquickie" explaining Frame Timing. It would take me 15 minutes to write a basic no nonsense script for such a episode. And i have zero experience with writing scripts for videos.

 

I like your idea of a separate "in depth" channel. But we sort of already have those. They are called Digital Foundry, GamersNexus, Kitguru, The Techreport and PC-Perspective. And two of those channels are massively successful in their own right. So i DONT understand why LMG cannot just sit down, educate their staff in how to use OCAT/FCAT and just get on with it. It is not hard to learn, it is not hard to understand, and it is not hard to convey the results.

 

As for the 295x2 getting 100 FPS at 3440x1440p. ASlong as you do not use the new "ULTRA" textures which pushes beyond the 4GB frame buffer. Doesnt waste your time with AA (which at 3440x1440p isnt really needed IMO), and doesnt use Nvidia specific effects like HBAO, Hairworks etc... then you can get around 75-100 FPS depending on the game.

 

 

 

 

[Scitesh]

6 hours ago, MageTank said:

I don't disagree with you, but I do understand to a degree why they use Nvidia products in builds like the desk build, and their high end builds in general. AMD's best card atm, is in the realm of budget gaming (price:performance). They don't have a card that can actively compete with the GTX 1070/GTX 1080, let alone the Titan XP. So exotic builds often require eye catching hardware, which for most people, is the expensive stuff they can't afford. A lot of people watch videos to live vicariously through others, so seeing hardware like that is interesting to them.

 

I do agree that not mentioning freesync on that monitor was pretty silly. Even if a single AMD GPU struggled to fully drive that monitor, it doesn't change the fact that Freesync (or adaptive sync tech in general) is a huge selling point for monitors these days. I'd gladly sacrifice graphical fidelity for a smooth, tear-free experience. Showcasing how it performed with one of it's features just seems like common sense at this point, even if it were to fail to do so, you could at least say "It has it, just does't work well with the hardware we have available" or "crossfire required". 

 

AMD's biggest issue (in both the GPU and CPU world) is that they are behind the curve. By the time they do release a product, their competition already has another product ready to outshine them. Luckily, the CPU world has slowed down enough that AMD can catch them with Zen, and if the rumored prices are even remotely true, they will most definitely catch the attention of general consumers and enthusiasts alike. As for GPU's, they need something to answer the GTX 1070/1080, so Vega has to deliver, and deliver fast.

Releasing the same gen again.....

The failure of AMD  to compete is the reason Intel gets away with shit  like this

Although(from what I have heard)1080 ti  beats titan XP  so even if Vega  competes against them nvidia had a prosumer  market to bank upon

1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

It isn't Linus anymore. Its LMG. 

I know its hard to accept (it is for me too) but when you talk about being on the job or operating a business, you have to put an emphasis on the things that improve your payroll, and hide all the things that do otherwise.

 

And Intel and Nvidia happens to be heavy sponsors. People sell out. Welcome to capitalism. 

Or radical idea nVidia  cards look cool(i.hate to admit) 

Let's say lukes  recent 570X  review I'd someone is dropping hard dough on a  case then for them it makes total sense to go for the best hardware all around...

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, Prysin said:

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Totally agree with a TQ explaining frame times, minimum FPS importance and benchmark methodology. Then as you say just give the graph with the numbers in the general video, only going to take up like an extra 5-15 seconds.

 

Main reason why I like the idea of a new more in depth channel is I'm only prepared to follow one video/youtube publication, I don't have the time or want to keep track of more than one. Right now I watch LMG content for entertainment and news headlines then head over to text publications for reviews and analysis, which I only do for specific products I want to look at. The way I consume content actually for me made Vessel a great experience, the channels I subscribed to actually notified me when videos came out on the home page plus on the side menu. It also helped that Vessel basically was a LMG content delivery platform. Before Vessel I did not subscribe to LTT on youtube and after Vessel I still don't subscribe to LTT on youtube, I don't subscribe to anything on youtube.

 

I also have never participated in a tech forum community before, ever. Actually any forum. This is my first and only, and If I stop I won't be moving to a new one. In fact the only reason I joined was due to a video that made me go "what the hell are you doing?!?!" so hard I joined the forum purely to say that, go figure a bad video for me made me join the community. The reason I stay is I like helping people, mainly in the Servers and NAS, Networking, and Storage as these are areas I am personally interested in and do as my day job so I am happy to pass on my knowledge and experience. Until recently I have never gone to any other area of the forum, why I have I won't go in to.

 

On the topic of AMD drivers and crossfire, yea the newer drivers after the release of the R9 series has been excellent. I have very much noticed the improvements that were made and the stability and reliability for me has been so good it makes all the old complaints about crossfire obsolete. The 4GB on the 290X really is an issue now which is a shame but easily solved as you said, not that I have run any AA for a long time.

 

4 hours ago, Scitesh said:

Or radical idea nVidia  cards look cool(i.hate to admit) 

I much prefer the new look that AMD went with for the Fury series and the RX400 series. To me the Nvidia cards look awful, I don't like them. The clean lines and more professional look/style that AMD has gone with appeals to me a lot. That's just my taste though so if you like the look of Nvidia cards awesome, go with something you like not what people say is good.

[michaelocarroll007]

On 12/17/2016 at 7:20 AM, Jamesuperfun said:

A lot of people are getting pissed off (for good reason) that Linus is not treating AMD products fairly. I know, it sounds stupid, and I used to agree - but there's some really notable things here. He isn't specifically bashing AMD but sort of pretending they don't exist, or pushing their tech under the rug.

 

In the last week or so of videos, 3 things have stirred up controversy. The previous WAN Show ignored one of the biggest topics of the week, AMD's yearly major driver update, until after the outro (at which point it was half-arsed to say the least). The review of a Korean 100Hz FreeSync Curved Ultrawide monitor was done with an Nvidia GPU, there were 2 complaints about tearing and FreeSync was only acknowledged when reading the title of the product (and a terrible excuse was in the comments). In the most recent WAN Show, AMD's event showing a huge amount of Ryzen details and some Vega updates was discussed by mostly mocking the name and then talking about Thunderbolt in the new MacBook. 

 

There's a point where it just seems like some obvious avoidance of AMD products. Even if this is not deliberate, this sort of reporting is misleading - I'd hate to see the next 'fake news' debacle involve LTT. I'll elaborate on the 3 examples from the past week below with links and timestamps. Of course, on their own these aren't too significant, but considering there are now 3 examples in the last week that have got quite a few concerns, it's worth mentioning.

 

1. WAN Show ReLive: https://youtu.be/7oEpez1ruis?t=1h8m11s

This update is AMD's yearly major update and a very good example of a discussion worthy topic for the WAN Show. They added a much better built-in zero-overhead recording thing (and separated from Raptr), added WattMann support to older cards and more. The show had quite a few questions about it in the Twitch chat. They were acknowledged after the outro, at which point Linus just mumbled some specs from the download page and ended with "There ya go, now we covered it." Watch the segment, it's the most half-arsed coverage of anything I've ever seen.

 

2. Cheap Korean Curved Ultrawide Monitor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vvdvjralvs

This one is possibly the most damning. In this video, he takes a FreeSync monitor, says "You don't get the tearing resistance of GSync" (1m55s), uses an Nvidia GPU to test it (5m07s) and complains about tearing (5m50s). I've not facepalmed so hard in a while. Then in the comments, there's this lovely post: http://prntscr.com/di7bl9 Here he says no AMD GPU can run 100FPS on AAA titles so he wont and reviewed the monitor as if you used an Nvidia GPU with it. I shouldn't have to explain why this is bad reasoning (and why this should be explained in the video), but FreeSync is useful from 45FPS on this monitor, it offers higher refresh rates at lower resolutions, Furys can run games such as the tested CS:GO at that res no problem (which is what most people want them for) and there are countless other options like reducing the settings a little or just not running at 100FPS while testing that part of the monitor. It's also very clearly a monitor review, so he should test the features of said monitor, particularly since one would pair a cheap GPU with a cheap monitor. It's just such irrelevant reasoning, and there was a lot of flak for that given in response if you care to find the thread. 

 

 

3. WAN Show RyZen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Hugyu2CME

In this video, he starts by covering the basics of Ryzen in the event which is fine, and then goes on to discuss the use of Thunderbolt (since it's an Intel-exclusive tech) and where it could be useful. I assumed at first the event would be returned to, but they moved straight on from it. There was no time given to discuss it, no mention of Vega, no mention of the surprisingly in-depth benchmarks they gave. The dislike bar shows this, as well as the top comments. This topic is by far the biggest of the week, but it was also glossed over and had an irrelevant Intel technology made the focus (as with GSync in 2).

 

I really like this content, but please, start covering AMD products fairly. It's pissing off quite a few of your viewers and preventing you from being considered a trustworthy source. The comments on YouTube are filled with people annoyed about this. The thread for #2 is also filled with complaints: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/704937-microboard-korean-curved-ultrawide-100hz-gaming-monitor/?page=2 There was also a thread on the front page of r/PCMasterRace with some good discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5hscps/linustechtips_has_been_showing_a_concerning_bias/

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. maybe they should of talked about it more but even amd didnt make much of a deal to my knowledge its some pretty small news 

 

2.No One spending that type of Doe on a monitor like that with that high of a refresh rate and resolution is going to buy a AMD graphics card it makes almost no sense gaming wise 

 

3. Honestly i get maybe he should cover stuff like this more some people would like it. My self and my own opinion im just sick and tired of the 100000s Of AMD rumors and ignore any title like this now untill AMD actually holds some conference detailing the stuff    for both VEGA and CPUs both are way later imo then they needed to be. AMD has no decent CPU or GPU for anyone trying to build a better then mid-low tier computer.  some rumors are all over the place and doesnt seem like many can be trusted 

[LAwLz]

55 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Main reason why I like the idea of a new more in depth channel is I'm only prepared to follow one video/youtube publication, I don't have the time or want to keep track of more than one. Right now I watch LMG content for entertainment and news headlines then head over to text publications for reviews and analysis, which I only do for specific products I want to look at. The way I consume content actually for me made Vessel a great experience, the channels I subscribed to actually notified me when videos came out on the home page plus on the side menu. It also helped that Vessel basically was a LMG content delivery platform. Before Vessel I did not subscribe to LTT on youtube and after Vessel I still don't subscribe to LTT on youtube, I don't subscribe to anything on youtube.

The problem with making an "in-depth" channel is that nobody at LMG actually has a deep understanding about anything*.

Even the reviews they push out these days seem to be heavily based on the reviewer's guides, which are essentially just marketing material that they are parroting, because that's what's quick and sells.

 

LTT's main goal these days is to make as much money as possible (to feed their ludicrously expensive operation which employs like 15 people for some reason). That means pumping out as many videos as possible, in as short of a time as possible, with as many ads and sponsors in the videos as possible. Making long, in-depth content which takes a lot of research time will go strictly against that business plan, and their target audience (mostly tween boys) would probably not find it interesting either.

If they tried it, created a new channel for long-format, in-depth videos, then I am sure it would flop. Linus would probably look at the numbers and go "geez, we are spending an awful lot of time on making these videos very few people actually watch".

 

*anything they make videos about on an everyday basis. I am sure Jon knows a lot about laws, or Edzel knows a lot about mice, or whatever.

[Scitesh]

6 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

The problem with making an "in-depth" channel is that nobody at LMG actually has a deep understanding about anything*.

Even the reviews they push out these days seem to be heavily based on the reviewer's guides, which are essentially just marketing material that they are parroting, because that's what's quick and sells.

LTT wasnt ever a "indepth" review site/channel to begin with hell i have seen better reviews in the user reviews section within the user review section of the forum

 

Also if i want a mobile review if its a guide or something i watch the LTT/Gadget guru/Austin evans review of it and if i want "indepth" I go to pocketnow/XDA/Android authority 

similiarly if there is a piece of hardware that i am interested in I would look up a surface level review from Kyle / Paul / LTT

and then depending on the piece i would go to one of the "part experts"(total ripoff from Toms)

For ex:

CPU :Gamers Nexus /Pc per

GPU:jayztwocents/Gamers Nexus

PSU: JhonnyGuru (review/forums)

RAM : i just choose the one that matches my Build

Cooling and Case: Canucks

motherboard :Toms / PcPer

SSD And HHD :1st video on my search bar (except when i bought my first SSD)

14 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

 

 

LTT's main goal these days is to make as much money as possible (to feed their ludicrously expensive operation which employs like 15 people for some reason).

Thats what the viewers want .

I see LTT videos only for their entertainment/Awe value these are EPIC builds not the average Joe builds (come on who is gonna build a 8 gamer tower loaded with R9 Nanos )

The reason for 15 employees : Smooth transition as every one is specified a role (Experts in their respective fields)

Also welcome to capitalism it has been here since forever

[BuckGup]

AMD is a piece of garbage in the CPU realm right now. I assure you Linus will cover Zen but Zen is not out yet. Why would you waste money on AMD when you could get a much better product for the same price?

[Prysin]

16 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

AMD is a piece of garbage in the CPU realm right now. I assure you Linus will cover Zen but Zen is not out yet. Why would you waste money on AMD when you could get a much better product for the same price?

thing is, LTT doesnt have much technical knowledge, and as such, you cannot expect them to product a factually correct review. However their following is large enough for a half arsed ZEN review to affect AMDs sales...

 

LMGs poor attitude towards facts and checking facts has more potential for damage then benefit these days. I think the big corporations realized this and that is probably why @LAwLz feel like they are simply parroting marketing material. Perhaps the big companies realized that "letting LMG loose"with a product can cause more harm then benefit?

[Prysin]

23 minutes ago, Scitesh said:

LTT wasnt ever a "indepth" review site/channel to begin with hell i have seen better reviews in the user reviews section within the user review section of the forum

 

Also if i want a mobile review if its a guide or something i watch the LTT/Gadget guru/Austin evans review of it and if i want "indepth" I go to pocketnow/XDA/Android authority 

similiarly if there is a piece of hardware that i am interested in I would look up a surface level review from Kyle / Paul / LTT

and then depending on the piece i would go to one of the "part experts"(total ripoff from Toms)

For ex:

CPU :Gamers Nexus /Pc per

GPU:jayztwocents/Gamers Nexus

PSU: JhonnyGuru (review/forums)

RAM : i just choose the one that matches my Build

Cooling and Case: Canucks

motherboard :Toms / PcPer

SSD And HHD :1st video on my search bar (except when i bought my first SSD)

Thats what the viewers want .

I see LTT videos only for their entertainment/Awe value these are EPIC builds not the average Joe builds (come on who is gonna build a 8 gamer tower loaded with R9 Nanos )

The reason for 15 employees : Smooth transition as every one is specified a role (Experts in their respective fields)

Also welcome to capitalism it has been here since forever

@Slick @LinusTech

 

If your members feel this way, perhaps it is time to rethink your business as a whole? It seems less and less people value your opinion on performance and just want to see the more ridiculous setups instead....

[Scitesh]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

thing is, LTT doesnt have much technical knowledge, and as such, you cannot expect them to product a factually correct review. However their following is large enough for a half arsed ZEN review to affect AMDs sales...

 

LMGs poor attitude towards facts and checking facts has more potential for damage then benefit these days. I think the big corporations realized this and that is probably why @LAwLz feel like they are simply parroting marketing material. Perhaps the big companies realized that "letting LMG loose"with a product can cause more harm then benefit?

that is true for a reviewer of any size not LMG (although the swing effect would be the biggest) Also if LTT review for Zen would be half arsed then why dont you make a review (by your enthusiasm it appears as if you are gonna be a day 1 buyer) Just post the link on the forum and Atleast everyone on this thread would watch/read it 

[BuckGup]

4 minutes ago, Prysin said:

thing is, LTT doesnt have much technical knowledge, and as such, you cannot expect them to product a factually correct review. However their following is large enough for a half arsed ZEN review to affect AMDs sales...

 

LMGs poor attitude towards facts and checking facts has more potential for damage then benefit these days. I think the big corporations realized this and that is probably why @LAwLz feel like they are simply parroting marketing material. Perhaps the big companies realized that "letting LMG loose"with a product can cause more harm then benefit?

What no. Linus fact checks maybe not into the hardcore science like the baking a video card deal but he isn't going to spew misinformation. In terms of bias reviews they have already stated this years ago and continue because of comments like this. They get approached by a lot of companies and Linus either will straight up say no, use it and it is so bad no video is made or, makes a video about it how it is. He tells them he will say if it will suck to a large audience but the companies are usually pretty confident.

[Prysin]

2 minutes ago, Scitesh said:

that is true for a reviewer of any size not LMG (although the swing effect would be the biggest) Also if LTT review for Zen would be half arsed then why dont you make a review (by your enthusiasm it appears as if you are gonna be a day 1 buyer) Just post the link on the forum and Atleast everyone on this thread would watch/read it 

like i said before, ZEN isnt for me. I have a 4790k, i wont gain much if any in single core performance, multi-threading wise i am fine for some time. iv'e already, in detail, explained my stance on ZEN.

[AlTech]

36 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

The problem with making an "in-depth" channel is that nobody at LMG actually has a deep understanding about anything*.

This^^^^ so much. For people who are in a company running YouTube channels, they have a hell of a way of showing their education background.

36 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Even the reviews they push out these days seem to be heavily based on the reviewer's guides, which are essentially just marketing material that they are parroting, because that's what's quick and sells.

for the most part yes, some are actually decent but most are really awful.

36 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

LTT's main goal these days is to make as much money as possible (to feed their ludicrously expensive operation which employs like 15 people for some reason).

Yes. I completely agree.

36 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

That means pumping out as many videos as possible, in as short of a time as possible, with as many ads and sponsors in the videos as possible

Again, this seems like the kind of content which has been showing up for the last while.

36 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

. Making long, in-depth content which takes a lot of research time will go strictly against that business plan, and their target audience (mostly tween boys) would probably not find it interesting either.

Yeah. I know I'd find it interesting. But then again, when has my opinion ever been the popular one?

36 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

If they tried it, created a new channel for long-format, in-depth videos, then I am sure it would flop.

The hardcore viewers would watch it but it would certainly attract less views and less watch time.

36 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Linus would probably look at the numbers and go "geez, we are spending an awful lot of time on making these videos very few people actually watch".

Yeah

36 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I am sure Jon knows a lot about laws, or Edzel knows a lot about mice, or whatever.

they strike me as being smart people. Just not at what they make videos about.

[Scitesh]

2 minutes ago, Prysin said:

like i said before, ZEN isnt for me. I have a 4790k, i wont gain much if any in single core performance, multi-threading wise i am fine for some time. iv'e already, in detail, explained my stance on ZEN.

If zen is not for you stop fretting i have a 3770K and i am pretty happy ( my dad has a 6700k) Although If AMD is launching a chip between Hashwell and Broadwell then is it worth any ones time (I know YES...for any one still rocking a 6300 or upgrading from a i5 2500 or something like that)

[Prysin]

3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

What no. Linus fact checks maybe not into the hardcore science like the baking a video card deal but he isn't going to spew misinformation. In terms of bias reviews they have already stated this years ago and continue because of comments like this. They get approached by a lot of companies and Linus either will straight up say no, use it and it is so bad no video is made or, makes a video about it how it is. He tells them he will say if it will suck to a large audience but the companies are usually pretty confident.

it is cute how you embrace them so unconditionally. He HAS spewed misinformation. He DOES spew misinformation. Take a step back and you can see it in any random video. Little here, little there. Half-thruths or caveats that isnt disclosed in the review itself.

 

Thing is Sam, i started getting into tech seriously about 2 years ago. in these two years i have learned alot, i have no formal education in tech. none. nix. nada. Yet iv'e read up, informed myself, learned the fundamentals, checked the info.

Linus has been working with tech for what? one and a half decade soon? He has been a reviewer of technology for 6-7 years. Yet The only field of tech i feel like Linus would know better then me, is networking. That is one aspect where i have not educated myself properly. And when it comes to networking, given how much his company DOES rely on it, i do feel Linus may have valuable info to add.

 

HOWEVER.

i feel like the amount of time Linus and Luke has spent with tech, one should expect them to have educated themselves on the stuff they are working with. However, they appear to not have done that. They are simply reviewing tech, with no more fundamental understanding of the functions then the average Unboxer...

[Prysin]

12 minutes ago, Scitesh said:

If zen is not for you stop fretting i have a 3770K and i am pretty happy ( my dad has a 6700k) Although If AMD is launching a chip between Hashwell and Broadwell then is it worth any ones time (I know YES...for any one still rocking a 6300 or upgrading from a i5 2500 or something like that)

no, i shall not stop criticizing poor content quality. And you fail to understand the underlying problem.

 

i shall redirect you to this post, and i advice you to READ it. 

 

 

[LAwLz]

44 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

What no. Linus fact checks maybe not into the hardcore science like the baking a video card deal but he isn't going to spew misinformation. In terms of bias reviews they have already stated this years ago and continue because of comments like this. They get approached by a lot of companies and Linus either will straight up say no, use it and it is so bad no video is made or, makes a video about it how it is. He tells them he will say if it will suck to a large audience but the companies are usually pretty confident.

Actually, he spreads misinformation all the time in videos. It's borderline where I think they are doing more harm than good in terms of education their viewers (which is what Logan did but lucky his channel is going under).

 

As for their sponsors, they have several times gotten backlash because their sponsors are really bad, and while they have dropped those sponsors, the damage is already done for those people who bought into it. It really doesn't seem like LMG does much filtering when it comes to sponsors at all. Whenever I see another Youtuber have a sponsor I've always already seen that sponsor be in a LMG video.

If you're talking about sponsors that send him stuff for review then I disagree as well. Sadly I don't have any examples right now, but at several points in time Linus has made a very positive sounding review of a product, and then when gen 2 comes out he goes "thank God they fixed that annoying issue. This product is actually good now" and I've gone "hang on, you really neglected that huge issue in your first gen review". Again, no examples so feel free to dismiss that point if you want (maybe someone can help me out, I know I've reacted this way several times). You also have to "read between the lines" with their reviews a lot of times.

 

 

30 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Yet The only field of tech i feel like Linus would know better then me, is networking. That is one aspect where i have not educated myself properly. And when it comes to networking, given how much his company DOES rely on it, i do feel Linus may have valuable info to add.

Dunno how to structure this reply so I will just make it point 1 and 2...

 

1) Be careful with estimating how much you know vs how much someone else know. It is very easy to overestimate how much you yourself know, and underestimate how much others know. Linus might know a lot of things which simply does not come up in the videos.

 

2) Judging by their networking related videos, I find it hard to believe that you know less than Linus about networking. I don't know how much he has learned now (he said he took courses about it on Lynda a few months ago), but a few months ago he seemed to know about as much about networking as I know about gardening... and I'm the grim reaper of plants. Every plant I touch dies.

[Scitesh]

5 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Actually, he spreads misinformation all the time in videos. It's borderline where I think they are doing more harm than good in terms of education their viewers (which is what Logan did but lucky his channel is going under).

 

As for their sponsors, they have several times gotten backlash because their sponsors are really bad, and while they have dropped those sponsors, the damage is already done for those people who bought into it. It really doesn't seem like LMG does much filtering when it comes to sponsors at all. Whenever I see another Youtuber have a sponsor I've always already seen that sponsor be in a LMG video.

If you're talking about sponsors that send him stuff for review then I disagree as well. Sadly I don't have any examples right now, but at several points in time Linus has made a very positive sounding review of a product, and then when gen 2 comes out he goes "thank God they fixed that annoying issue. This product is actually good now" and I've gone "hang on, you really neglected that huge issue in your first gen review". Again, no examples so feel free to dismiss that point if you want (maybe someone can help me out, I know I've reacted this way several times). You also have to "read between the lines" with their reviews a lot of times.

I consider them Lies 

I have seen YouTubers Drop Sponsors Who look kinda shady

 

[Prysin]

25 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Actually, he spreads misinformation all the time in videos. It's borderline where I think they are doing more harm than good in terms of education their viewers (which is what Logan did but lucky his channel is going under).

 

As for their sponsors, they have several times gotten backlash because their sponsors are really bad, and while they have dropped those sponsors, the damage is already done for those people who bought into it. It really doesn't seem like LMG does much filtering when it comes to sponsors at all. Whenever I see another Youtuber have a sponsor I've always already seen that sponsor be in a LMG video.

If you're talking about sponsors that send him stuff for review then I disagree as well. Sadly I don't have any examples right now, but at several points in time Linus has made a very positive sounding review of a product, and then when gen 2 comes out he goes "thank God they fixed that annoying issue. This product is actually good now" and I've gone "hang on, you really neglected that huge issue in your first gen review". Again, no examples so feel free to dismiss that point if you want (maybe someone can help me out, I know I've reacted this way several times). You also have to "read between the lines" with their reviews a lot of times.

 

 

Dunno how to structure this reply so I will just make it point 1 and 2...

 

1) Be careful with estimating how much you know vs how much someone else know. It is very easy to overestimate how much you yourself know, and underestimate how much others know. Linus might know a lot of things which simply does not come up in the videos.

 

2) Judging by their networking related videos, I find it hard to believe that you know less than Linus about networking. I don't know how much he has learned now (he said he took courses about it on Lynda a few months ago), but a few months ago he seemed to know about as much about networking as I know about gardening... and I'm the grim reaper of plants. Every plant I touch dies.

If he has the knowledge i has, they wouldnt be making as misinformed and half arsed videos as they does. Unless his standards of excellence is well, not there.

[BuckGup]

52 minutes ago, Prysin said:

it is cute how you embrace them so unconditionally. He HAS spewed misinformation. He DOES spew misinformation. Take a step back and you can see it in any random video. Little here, little there. Half-thruths or caveats that isnt disclosed in the review itself.

 

Thing is Sam, i started getting into tech seriously about 2 years ago. in these two years i have learned alot, i have no formal education in tech. none. nix. nada. Yet iv'e read up, informed myself, learned the fundamentals, checked the info.

Linus has been working with tech for what? one and a half decade soon? He has been a reviewer of technology for 6-7 years. Yet The only field of tech i feel like Linus would know better then me, is networking. That is one aspect where i have not educated myself properly. And when it comes to networking, given how much his company DOES rely on it, i do feel Linus may have valuable info to add.

 

HOWEVER.

i feel like the amount of time Linus and Luke has spent with tech, one should expect them to have educated themselves on the stuff they are working with. However, they appear to not have done that. They are simply reviewing tech, with no more fundamental understanding of the functions then the average Unboxer...

I think you are misinformed and don't know how much work it takes to run 3 Youtube channels. Watch TechQuickie and come back about misinformation. Teachers have used TechQuickie in classes, it is obviously factual enough for a teacher to use. Also no Linus isn't going to be an engineer designing micro processors in Germany. If he did have that kind of knowledge you really think he would be on Youtube? 

[Scitesh]

4 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

I think you are misinformed and don't know how much work it takes to run 3 Youtube channels. Watch TechQuickie and come back about misinformation. Teachers have used TechQuickie in classes, it is obviously factual enough for a teacher to use. Also no Linus isn't going to be an engineer designing micro processors in Germany. If he did have that kind of knowledge you really think he would be on Youtube? 

Agreed. My teacher recomemended techQuickie to understand Cores/threads although i found a better explanation on science studio(now salazar studio)