OK - This is Getting Out of Hand - UK MPs Debate Porn Block for Twitter

[Murdoch]

1 minute ago, Alexp10v2 said:

Wish that was an option for me (Wales) - but we rely too much on England, unfortunately... 

We rely heavily on them too, the difference being there's a significant independence movement in Scotland despite of that. Whereas Wales & England seem to be politically quite similar. Scotland are quite often at odds with the policy choices made in Westminster, and with already about 40-45% of the Scottish population with one foot out the door (and certainly the younger generations), it won't take too much more crap before it seriously gets put back on the agenda (btw I think Brexit makes independence more difficult than in 2014).

 

I raise the fear, that the UK is at a tipping point, I can seriously view it turning into some dystopian, fascist, totalitarian state.

[Kobathor]

8 hours ago, Murdoch said:

I think the UK government is disgusting, I despise the way our country is run.

 

Oops. That's  what I meant. The UK itself is great, the people are cool.

[themctipers]

On 11/30/2016 at 0:30 PM, Alexp10v2 said:

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38143757 

 

(Example of my personal twitter as it goes with the context of the topic)

 

As the title suggests - this situation is really starting to get out of hand.

 

Recently, the UK Government has passed the Digital Economy Bill and the Investigatory Powers Act

(Links to both respectively - To LTT Articles: https://goo.gl/DZl9BY and https://goo.gl/LWMszB)

 

But that's not what I'm really talking about here. Under the Digital Economy Bill - the UK government will have the ability to block websites that do not adhere to newly enforced age restriction guidlines

(Which is covered in more detail in the articles above)

 

Recently, there was talks that this could impact Reddit - but today I reveal that the UK Government has gone full stupid, by - and I wish I was joking typing this:

UK MP's Debate Porn Block for Twitter

 

That's right - The UK Government are now concerned about young people viewing porn on a social network - and due to this, are considering it may not adhere to the newly placed guidelines.

If Twitter do not implement a way to officially verify a persons age the is government approved:

 it is possible that it could be blocked under the Digital Economy Bill - KEY WORD - POSSIBLE, not definite.

 

If it comes to the fact that they are going to block social networking or monitor what everybody does on social networking, that is borderline unlawful and very close to censorship when you pair the Digital Economy Bill and the Investigatory Powers Act together.

 

 

My Thoughts:

 

Today's current politicians are, what I would now class as "Unfit" for their role, if this is what they are considering. Half the time, they don't know what they are talking about - or even what they are doing on the internet.

When it comes to technological items, I feel that should be regulated by the current generation as they are the ones who have grown up with it, understand how it works and adapt more easily to changes. Everything that has been done recently by the UK Government i feel is so backwards.

 

Your Thoughts - Please leave them down below!

 

UPDATE - For those who want the full quote

Basically, the government is aware the bill wont stop pornography, but people looking for it may turn to twitter.

Where the argument come in - Underage people should not view porn - So lets make twitter age restrict itself, if not

the government may end up blocking Twitter....

 

This has nothing to do with Child Porn. That is just a quote to show how un-monitored twitter was in the past - and while it states it has changed since then, MPs will hold on to anything as an example - even if it was from a few years ago...

 

UPDATE 2: For People who cannot be bothered to read the article, the bit about child pornography is just an example.

The government is trying to stop children from being exposed to any pornography on the internet - and by doing so, people of age will be caught in the crossfire.

FULL Quote in spoiler

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Let horny teenagers fap, is what I say. Making it harder to obtail will not stop people from doing it - rather it might support people having more sex (teenagers, mind you) or more exotic things. (coughs)

[DeScruff]

This whole blocking porn is reminding of show I watched (That was hilarious) " Shimoneta: A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist "
... Great I am now picturing a future where the UK raids homes for making/passing around pornographic material...

[Ronda]

Did Theresa May start her career as a nanny? Cause that would explain things.

[ThinkWithPortals]

23 hours ago, Sypran said:

 

I can honestly picture the UK in twenty years or so as a totalitarian, facist state, like the setting of Orwell's 1984. That's honestly the way we're heading.

[Energycore]

On 11/30/2016 at 0:30 PM, Alexp10v2 said:

Twitter's use among youngsters is declining, that's according to a recent report from the regulator Ofcom. However, that might change if access to pornography either explicit material is closed off by the Digital Economy Bill's provisions.

Lol are you serious? If anything banning porn will result in less youngsters using it.

 

Let's face it, people in the internet era watch porn since way before 18. Are the consequences of this habit damning on society? Well the number of sexual violence crimes has not gone significantly up, so I don't think so.

[Energycore]

8 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

I can honestly picture the UK in twenty years or so as a totalitarian, facist state, like the setting of Orwell's 1984. That's honestly the way we're heading.

1984 was even set in the UK

[ThinkWithPortals]

2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

1984 was even set in the UK

Exactly. Orwell must've had a crystal ball and was actually seeing a vision of the UK in 2036.

[othertomperson]

Don't you just love it when widespread censorship of the Internet and free expression passes through parliament without any opposition at all because the government just keeps shouting "think of the children"?

[Murdoch]

51 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

Aren't conservatives supposed to be the people against abuse of excessive government regulation?

Yes but it only applies to deregulation of financial and business markets, and reduction of the welfare state.

 

They obviously still want to micromanage us into being compliant worker drones.

[Murdoch]

2 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

uhhh no, at least not a true conservative. F#ck welfare, in America at least a *true* conservative would be absolutely against this, it's totally going beyond the government's constitutional powers to enforce its morality upon the rest of the country. Then again, a *true* conservative would also be pro-gay marriage and pro-Roe V. Wade, so idk

I was referencing the Conservative Party (Tories) in the UK. Not the abstract concept of what conservatism stands for.

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, othertomperson said:

Don't you just love it when widespread censorship of the Internet and free expression passes through parliament without any opposition at all because the government just keeps shouting "think of the children"?

Nowadays, whenever I hear someone say they want to fight terrorism or protect children by passing a new lay my first reaction is to be against it. "Think of the children" or "it's to fight terrorists" are the two standard arguments for passing horrible laws that aren't actually meant to protect children or fight terrorism.

 

[LAwLz]

More news from the UK, but I don't think it warrants its own thread.

 

So some government info has been leaked and well, Theresa May is not happy about it. She is so unhappy about it that she has informed ministers about what will happen to those leaking info, and cabinet secretary Jeremy Heywood has written a memo which has been passed out as a hardcopy instead of by email containing the same info. The memo is pretty clear with that Theresa May is furious about the leaks. The memo was leaked 3 days after it was handed out...

 

The memo states that "Leaking is corrosive and undermines trust and good government", because apparently knowing what the government are actually doing behind closed doors, will make people distrust the government.

 

Anyone suspected of leaking info will have their phones and email records seized by security chiefs and fired if found guilty.

[Murdoch]

2 hours ago, LAwLz said:

More news from the UK, but I don't think it warrants its own thread.

 

So some government info has been leaked and well, Theresa May is not happy about it. She is so unhappy about it that she has informed ministers about what will happen to those leaking info, and cabinet secretary Jeremy Heywood has written a memo which has been passed out as a hardcopy instead of by email containing the same info. The memo is pretty clear with that Theresa May is furious about the leaks. The memo was leaked 3 days after it was handed out...

 

The memo states that "Leaking is corrosive and undermines trust and good government", because apparently knowing what the government are actually doing behind closed doors, will make people distrust the government.

 

Anyone suspected of leaking info will have their phones and email records seized by security chiefs and fired if found guilty.

 

Theresa May will go down as the worst PM in British history. Economic collapse, the Break up of the union, and a move towards a totalitarian state.

Also, considering she just passed the most intrusive snooping bill in the history of western democracy, now she suddenly cares about the privacy of her fucking non-existent Brexit policies that are literally one of the few things that's actually in the public's interest. The sheer duplicity of these unelected fucks is frustrating.

 

To comment some more on this bill, it's also worth mentioning that the copyright infringement laws are being updated.

 

Quote

 

(2A) A person (“P”) who infringes copyright in a work by communicating the work to the public commits an offense if P —

(a) knows or has reason to believe that P is infringing copyright in the work, and
(b) either —
(i) intends to make a gain for P or another person, or
(ii) knows or has reason to believe that communicating the work to the public will cause loss to the owner of the copyright, or will expose the owner of the copyright to a risk of loss.

(3) In subsection (4A)(b) of that section, for “two” substitute “ten”.

 

So they're lowering the bar for what constitutes criminal copyright infringement, lowering the bar for the copyright holder's loss (they only need a 'risk of loss') and they're increasing the possible prison sentence from 2 years to 10 years. Amazingly the legislation is so wide ranging, if you seed an episode of Game of Thrones on BitTorrent, you could face 10 years in prison and a fine.

 

[Surferconor425]

What the UK government is doing is disgu-I mean great! Cannot think of a better idea.

All hail Premier Theresa May! 

*gulp*

[SpaceGhostC2C]

On 12/4/2016 at 10:53 PM, wrathoftheturkey said:

uhhh no, at least not a true conservative. F#ck welfare, in America at least a *true* conservative would be absolutely against this, it's totally going beyond the government's constitutional powers to enforce its morality upon the rest of the country. Then again, a *true* conservative would also be pro-gay marriage and pro-Roe V. Wade, so idk

Mmm.. I think you are confusing liberalism (in the classical sense) with conservatism. It's common these days for conservatives to align with economic liberalism. But while it's true that a pure liberal would be for economic laissez-faire and private life laissez-faire, a conservative, by definition, it's against social changes that conflict with traditional moral values. I mean, they have to "conserve" something  

The problem is, in US politics (and almost everywhere else) you don't have parties fully capturing any of these philosophies, but rather a "right wing" and "left wing" combo that mixes from here and there. As Sala-i-Martin put it when explaining why his liberalism isn't left or right, "the left wing has a hand in my wallet, the right wing has a hand in my fly".

 

Sure, back in the XVIII and XIX century, the statu quo was mercantilism (i.e., economic interventionism) and strict enforcement of conservative values (i.e., civil interventionism), so conservative meant actually opposing freedom in every front (i.e., the opposite of what you stated), while liberals would be pushing for a reduction in government's interference in every sphere of life. Over time, though, the economic liberalism achieved a broader and faster success, replacing mercantilism as the mainstream doctrine. Hence, a right wing emerged that defended the (now prevalent) economic liberalism while still opposing fast changes in civil rights. After the Great Depression, a new form of government intervention in economics emerged. As the civil rights debate became more focused on extending rights to minorities (blacks, gays, etc), a new "left wing" emerged which on paper sides with the weak (the poor, through government intervention in economics, the minorities in civil rights issues, etc), in opposition to a mostly conservative right wing ("no news is good news"), which at that point implied keeping civil rights as they were, keeping (liberal) economics as it was.

The shift in paradigm towards a welfare state was big, though, and we come to the XXI century with a new right that is no longer fully conservative, as it doesn't intend to leave things the way they are. In the US, however, the main right wing party currently hosts very heterogeneous groups: some are pushing for a reduction of the welfare state and more economic liberalism, some -like the president elect- defend a mercantilist agenda at least on paper.

[Misanthrope]

So porn in the UK is getting out of hand.....sorry.

[HughMungusCynicalAnarch]

I wonder how many times through out history the gullible sheep/useful idiots fell for the bullshit of ''BUH MUH PROTECT DA CHYLDRENZZZZZ!!!!'' 

that seems to be an argument for everything

vyda games

drugs

and of course the baby killing military style assault weapons with 30 caliber clipazines capable of firing in .5 seconds.