New Surfaces

[Nowak]

47 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-965m

 

So I guess it is pretty good in real life.. need to see benchmarks, of course. i am not familiar with this chip, and don't have time at the moment to check.. I'll do so tonight.

I've looked up a few benches, and it seems to perform better than the 960M, and way better than the 940M the old SB came with, but it's not an amazing performer (only 48FPS in GTA V, eehhh... although, they were testing on Very High). Gaming might be a real possibility on the new SB.

[ShadowCaptain]

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

Interesting that they went with a 980m instead of a 1080...

not sure interesting is the right word  

[Bouzoo]

1 hour ago, snowComet said:

The resolution of the surface studio is 4500 x 3000 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio/tech-specs

@Enderman  Is your metric obsession coming to realisation?

[79wjd]

13 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Actually.. guys.. there is even worst news:

$2999 : Intel Core i5, 8 GB DDR4, 1TB, GTX 965M 2GB
$3499 : Intel Core i7, 16 GB DDR4, 1TB, GTX 965M 2GB
$4199 : Intel Core i7, 32 GB DDR4, 2TB, GTX 980M 4GB

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10793/microsoft-announces-the-surface-studio-28inch-aio-with-touch-pen-4500x3000-haswell-gtx-980m

 

So if you want the 980M... you are looking at $4200 US.

 

I wonder if MS is just playing "Let's see how far we can push prices and still sell"

To get pricing more in-line with other AIOs (that don't have the hinge/drawing aspects to them) -- specifically the 5K iMac since that's the only AIO with a 5k screen, you're looking at: $1800 for the base model, $2500 for the mid-tier model, and $3400 for the top tier model. So, you're basically paying an extra $1000 for the drawing capability of it (which while a lot, is possibly cheaper than the cost of a comparable drawing interface? -- I'm not exactly sure how much comparable drawing tools cost). Although, in all fairness, Apple's upgrades are stupidly expensive, so the pricing of the iMac should really be more like $1800, $2100, $2400~.

 

4 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

@Enderman  Is your metric obsession coming to realisation?

Don't forget the SB at 3000x2000.

[GoodBytes]

And here is the new Surface keyboard, mouse, orgonamic keyboard

http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-launches-new-surface-keyboards-and-mouse

 

Nothing new... they are old MS peripherals just Surface magnesium color. Although, the wireless keyboard has a new model of it, where there is a fingerprint reader on it

[why_]

19 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Actually.. guys.. there is even worst news:

$2999 : Intel Core i5, 8 GB DDR4, 1TB, GTX 965M 2GB
$3499 : Intel Core i7, 16 GB DDR4, 1TB, GTX 965M 2GB
$4199 : Intel Core i7, 32 GB DDR4, 2TB, GTX 980M 4GB

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10793/microsoft-announces-the-surface-studio-28inch-aio-with-touch-pen-4500x3000-haswell-gtx-980m

 

So if you want the 980M... you are looking at $4200 US.

 

I wonder if MS is just playing "Let's see how far we can push prices and still sell"

Unfortunately that looks like that's exactly what they're doing :P shame I know quite a few artistic people who would really like that pen and puck on such a large drawing surface. Also yeah, kinda disappointed we didn't see any 10 series cards make an appearance today but a slight graphics boost and some battery life is never a bad thing.

[GoodBytes]

Surface Dial is compatible with any Windows 10 PC (anniversary update required) apparently

Microsoft says:

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• The full Surface Dial experience is available exclusively on the Surface Studio, including the use of the Dial on the display itself
• "Optimized off-screen compatibility" is available on the Surface Book and Surface Pro 4
• The Dial also works with a more limited set of features on any other PC, tablet or notebook running the Windows 10 Anniversary Update

Source:https://www.neowin.net/news/new-surface-dial-compatible-with-any-windows-10-pc-now-available-to-pre-order-for-9999

 

It cost $99.99 on my MS store

https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Surface-Dial/productID.5074013900

[jakinov]

43 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Actually.. guys.. there is even worst news:

$2999 : Intel Core i5, 8 GB DDR4, 1TB, GTX 965M 2GB
$3499 : Intel Core i7, 16 GB DDR4, 1TB, GTX 965M 2GB
$4199 : Intel Core i7, 32 GB DDR4, 2TB, GTX 980M 4GB

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10793/microsoft-announces-the-surface-studio-28inch-aio-with-touch-pen-4500x3000-haswell-gtx-980m

 

So if you want the 980M... you are looking at $4200 US.

 

I wonder if MS is just playing "Let's see how far we can push prices and still sell"

Well almost every company is kind of doing that unless their strategy is to specifically try to be a value brand and make money by selling large quantities with slimmer margins. Microsoft has some brand equity so they can get away with charging more, the same way Apple can because people will pay more for a better brand. Most PC OEMs take advantage of brand equity a Sony (Well just VAIO now) or Alienware laptop with the same specs is going to cost a lot more than an HP and even more than Acer.

[Red Hardware]

1 hour ago, GoodBytes said:

Actually.. guys.. there is even worst news:

$2999 : Intel Core i5, 8 GB DDR4, 1TB, GTX 965M 2GB
$3499 : Intel Core i7, 16 GB DDR4, 1TB, GTX 965M 2GB
$4199 : Intel Core i7, 32 GB DDR4, 2TB, GTX 980M 4GB

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10793/microsoft-announces-the-surface-studio-28inch-aio-with-touch-pen-4500x3000-haswell-gtx-980m

 

So if you want the 980M... you are looking at $4200 US.

 

I wonder if MS is just playing "Let's see how far we can push prices and still sell"

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I wonder if MS is just playing "Let's see how far we can push prices and still sell"

I don't think so .

I think they want to help people without kidneys to find a kidney by kindly asking others to sell theirs  and get a surface as a gift !!

[PocketNerd]

Why go above 4k resolution when you aren't reaching 8k? That's just going to make anything 4k look terrible AND you're wasting processing power on a resolution that absolutely no one is going to fully utilize except for whoever owns one.

Also, prices are way too high for both the book and the studio.

[why_]

25 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Surface Dial is compatible with any Windows 10 PC (anniversary update required) apparently

Microsoft says:

Source:https://www.neowin.net/news/new-surface-dial-compatible-with-any-windows-10-pc-now-available-to-pre-order-for-9999

 

It cost $99.99 on my MS store

https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Surface-Dial/productID.5074013900

A "limited set of features" sounds to me like it will be a bit more than a glorified menu button on anything but a surface. As a 3D modeler with a surface as my school device this would be somewhat appealing if not for the existence of the space mouse at the exact same price.

[79wjd]

5 minutes ago, PocketNerd said:

Why go above 4k resolution when you aren't reaching 8k? That's just going to make anything 4k look terrible AND you're wasting processing power on a resolution that absolutely no one is going to fully utilize except for whoever owns one.

Also, prices are way too high for both the book and the studio.

Remember that it's using a 3:2 aspect ratio, so regardless it won't be a standard resolution. Also, since it's also going to be used for drawing you're likely to be pretty close to the screen -- so you'll want a pretty high pixel density. 

[why_]

1 minute ago, PocketNerd said:

Why go above 4k resolution when you aren't reaching 8k? That's just going to make anything 4k look terrible AND you're wasting processing power on a resolution that absolutely no one is going to fully utilize except for whoever owns one.

Also, prices are way too high for both the book and the studio.

Also by going above a 4k resolution at a non standard aspect ratio they expect the screen to be used with multiple programs running side by side effectively giving you a 4k panel with a bit of extra space on the side

[jakinov]

6 minutes ago, PocketNerd said:

Why go above 4k resolution when you aren't reaching 8k? That's just going to make anything 4k look terrible AND you're wasting processing power on a resolution that absolutely no one is going to fully utilize except for whoever owns one.

Also, prices are way too high for both the book and the studio.

Your logic is flawed. If you made it 8k then you'd be wasting even more processing power because you would be cramming in even more pixels people can't notice. Microsoft wanted a specific ratio, they wanted a specific diagonal screen size, and they aimed for a certain DPI, the resolution they chose accomplishes that. The device isn't meant for gaming or movie watching, so the fact that games and movies will have black bars and will need to upscale a bit won't really matter it also won't look worse is like you think. By that logic DVDs at 480P will look worse on a 1080P screen, which it doesn't, they look almost the same.

 

The price is high because it's a premium product and a unique product that involves a lot of R&D.

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, jakinov said:

Your logic is flawed. If you made it 8k then you'd be wasting even more processing power because you would be cramming in even more pixels people can't notice. Microsoft wanted a specific ratio, they wanted a specific diagonal screen size, and they aimed for a certain DPI, the resolution they chose accomplishes that. The device isn't meant for gaming or movie watching, so the fact that games and movies will have black bars and will need to upscale a bit won't really matter it also won't look worse is like you think. By that logic DVDs at 480P will look worse on a 1080P screen, which it doesn't, they look almost the same.

 

The price is high because it's a premium product and a unique product that involves a lot of R&D.

Not to mention there's equally little 8k content as there is 4.8k (<5k) content. 

[DocSwag]

1 hour ago, Red Hardware said:

And one more problem : 980 M 

I thought it was a gtx 1060?

[79wjd]

Just now, DocSwag said:

I thought it was a gtx 1060?

The Surface book as a 965m upgradable to a 980m and the Surface Studio has a 980m.

[DocSwag]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

The Surface book as a 965m upgradable to a 980m and the Surface Studio has a 980m.

Really? Strange that they didn't use Pascal... A 980m is an awful large amount of energy consumption and heat for such a thin chassis...

[Sakkura]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

The Surface book as a 965m upgradable to a 980m and the Surface Studio has a 980m.

The Surface Studio also has two versions with a 965M.

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

Really? Strange that they didn't use Pascal... A 980m is an awful large amount of energy consumption and heat for such a thin chassis...

It was probably too far along in development and so switching to Pascal would have delayed the launch. 

[DocSwag]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

It was probably too far along in development and so switching to Pascal would have delayed the launch. 

Hmm.... I can't find anywhere where it states that the Book has a 965m and 980m... Do you care to link me a website?

 

EDIT: I found on the Microsoft website that it does indeed use a 965m. However, I can't find anywhere where it says that it can be upgraded to a 980m.

[Sakkura]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

It was probably too far along in development and so switching to Pascal would have delayed the launch. 

Probably should have tried to coordinate better with Nvidia. There's quite a while between Pascal launch and December, when these devices launch.

[79wjd]

Just now, DocSwag said:

Hmm.... I can't find anywhere where it states that the Book has a 965m and 980m... Do you care to link me a website?

I could've sworn someone above posted a link showing the SB with a 980m. Although, I might have misread something because that sounds like a thermal nightmare. 

[79wjd]

Just now, Sakkura said:

Probably should have tried to coordinate better with Nvidia. There's quite a while between Pascal launch and December, when these devices launch.

The SB is available in November, so maybe they wanted to keep them similarly spec'd....I have to assume there is some reason why there isn't pascal. 

[DocSwag]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

I could've sworn someone above posted a link showing the SB with a 980m. Although, I might have misread something because that sounds like a thermal nightmare. 

Lol ya look at my post I edited it  

 

Turns out it does have a 965m. However, it seems it can't be upgraded to a 980m.