New Surfaces

[79wjd]

I'm not sure how there isn't already a thread for this.....but anyway 

Live stream: https://live.theverge.com/microsoft-event-live-blog-2016-surface-hardware-windows-10/?_ga=1.175428902.567596286.1456241257

 

It looks like the rumors were fairly accurate, a whole bunch of stuff about VR earlier, 3D paint, then a Surface Book refresh, and finally Microsoft announced the rumored Surface AIO desktop. 

 

Surface Book Refresh: 

-16 hours battery life (30% more than the current SB)

-2x better gpu performance 

-new cooling 

-$2399

-Availble in November, preorders start today 

 

Surface Studio:

--28" 3:2 "pixel sense" display (13.5 million pixels, 63% more than 4k, 192ppi) 

--32gb ram

--2tb hybrid drive 

--980m

--very thin (12.5mm) -- because that's critical on a desktop 

--12k in 3D Mark (at highest config)

--Cortana support (naturally)

--hinged display -- zero gravity hinge, 20º drafting angle

--supports surface pen

--$2999 (pre-order today)

 

Surface Dial: (can be placed anywhere on the screen and control a radial menu)

--Supports Studio, SP3, SP4, Surface Book (new and old), and presumably S3 too

 

I'm not sure how I feel about 3:2 on a desktop. 3:2 is great on a tablet because you're actively touching/using it, so the 3:2 aspect ratio is beneficial....but on a desktop you won't be touching the screen, so I don't really see 3:2 being particularly good relative to 16:9/16:10, although I'm not the target user base for this device....so maybe there is benefits to 3:2 on a desktop as well? 

 

True 1:1 ratio with a piece of paper for microsoft word....kinda neat I guess, I/O, cortana, thinnest monitor ever, trackpad, input dial), etc: 

 

 

 

I/O:

1:1 ratio with paper in word

 

Radial input dial: 

Trackpad: 

 

Cortana support:

Radial menus and flattenable displays: 

So you can flatten out the display and put the radial control over a certain area and do some kind of manipulation/control with it: 

 

[The Benjamins]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Stuff

But what about that Paint 3D? show some love.

[79wjd]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

But what about that Paint 3D? show some love.

meh, not my thing

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

meh, not my thing

Title has a typo

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

Title has a typo

Not a typo, unlike Razer/Apple, Microsoft is trying to differentiate generations. The new generation is referred to as Suraface. 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Not a typo, unlike Razer/Apple, Microsoft is trying to differentiate generations. The new generation is referred to as Suraface. 

How did I not notice? This is brilliant. Kudos to their marketing team.

[KingUnicorn]

i understand wanting thin stuff (nobody wants a CRT monitor) but if you have a desktop what is the importance of extreme thinness? i understand mobile stuff, but desktop? i am perfectly fine with a bulky tower or even AIO (though i will never get one for myself), but i dont see the appeal of an AIO that is as thin as my phone. if i have the power in it then i need the cooling in it, and i will NOT sacrifice cooling capabilities just so its a couple millimeters thinner

[snowComet]

I'm a little disappointed that the Surface Studio is still using 980m, and no USB 3.1/thunderbolt 3, but the true scale thing is pretty cool

Btw, the black suit guy is an excellent presenter. He did a wonderful job last yr, and this year he did good again

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Potato_King said:

i understand wanting thin stuff (nobody wants a CRT monitor) but if you have a desktop what is the importance of extreme thinness? i understand mobile stuff, but desktop? i am perfectly fine with a bulky tower or even AIO (though i will never get one for myself), but i dont see the appeal of an AIO that is as thin as my phone. if i have the power in it then i need the cooling in it, and i will NOT sacrifice cooling capabilities just so its a couple millimeters thinner

The AIO is the bottom block of the stand I believe.

[PlayStation 2]

Actually, I really like 3:2. I guess it's kinda best to see it as the love child of 4:3 and 16:10, and that's not really a bad thing.

[79wjd]

4 minutes ago, Potato_King said:

i understand wanting thin stuff (nobody wants a CRT monitor) but if you have a desktop what is the importance of extreme thinness? i understand mobile stuff, but desktop? i am perfectly fine with a bulky tower or even AIO (though i will never get one for myself), but i dont see the appeal of an AIO that is as thin as my phone. if i have the power in it then i need the cooling in it, and i will NOT sacrifice cooling capabilities just so its a couple millimeters thinner

Thinner looks more elegant. So I understand why they're doing it. And personally, I would love my desktop to be as thin and minimal as possible (so, again, I can certainly understand why they're doing it). 

 

2 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Actually, I really like 3:2. I guess it's kinda best to see it as the love child of 4:3 and 16:10, and that's not really a bad thing.

Any particular reason why? 

[ARikozuM]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Any particular reason why? 

Rectangles piss him off and he's pushing his 1:1 agenda. /s

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

Any particular reason why? 

For me at least, it works well with photo editing (or at the very least, what I do) while being not bad for gaming, actually.

I used to run TF2 at 1500x1000 and it wasn't bad at all.

[79wjd]

So you can flatten out the display and put the radial control over a certain area and do some kind of manipulation/control with it: 

 

Up to 20º drafting angle.

[The Benjamins]

Man Microsoft product videos are so good.

[Bouzoo]

I don't like it. I don't know why but I don't. Probably since I'm not used to MS making hardware. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

So you can flatten out the display and put the radial control over a certain area and do some kind of manipulation/control with it:

It looks like all of the PC's guts are in the stand, not in the monitor itself. Which means it's basically like a laptop (kind of).

[ARikozuM]

Just now, Bouzoo said:

I don't like it. I don't know why but I don't. Probably since I'm not used to MS making hardware. 

...

 

They may not build hardware, but they do plan good hardware.

[Bouzoo]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

...

 

They may not build hardware, but they do plan good hardware.

Doesn't change the fact that I don't like it.  Same how I don't like iMac and I had one in my house for years. Could never get used to it. 

[GoodBytes]

Interesting that they went with a 980m instead of a 1080...

[The Benjamins]

Just now, GoodBytes said:

Interesting that they went with a 980m instead of a 1080...

I bet it is just that they spent a long time developing it, and they didn't have a 1080 available at the time.

[79wjd]

The Surface Dial also appears to be supported on the SP3/SP4/Surface Book (also the Surface 3?)

[Bouzoo]

28 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Interesting that they went with a 980m instead of a 1080...

As I get it, all components are in the bottom. I'm pretty sure 980m will throttle like a mother, let alone a 1080. 

[randomhkkid]

Interesting to see that the GPU in the Surface Studio is a 980m not one of the newer pascal based ones. I guess this must have been in development for a while or Microsoft got a great deal on an Nvidia fire sale.

 

This opens the computer up for an upgrade to 4C/8T Kaby Lake and Pascal in Q1 2017 I guess

 

Also I assume that the GPU in the Surface Book is another custom GPU from Nvidia, likely a pascal version of the 940mx that they used in the last one.

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, randomhkkid said:

Interesting to see that the GPU in the Surface Studio is a 980m not one of the newer pascal based ones. I guess this must have been in development for a while or Microsoft got a great deal on an Nvidia fire sale.

 

This opens the computer up for an upgrade to 4C/8T Broadwell and pascal in Q1 2017 I guess

It's not running Skylake?