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AMD's RX 480 hits half the performance of a Titan X (Pascal) at 8K resolution

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1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

8K in 32:9 would be 7680x2160. It's just the horizontal pixel count, and doesn't mean anything without the aspect ratio or vertical pixel count.

Which would be why I specified the aspect ratio. 

 

We benchmark QHD, UHD etc in 16:9 aspect ratios as an industry standard. 

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1 minute ago, Belgarathian said:

Which would be why I specified the aspect ratio. 

 

We benchmark QHD, UHD etc in 16:9 aspect ratios as an industry standard. 

No, you stated that 8K was 7680x4320 and in 16:9, as if no other solution with 7680 horizontal pixels could be, including 32:9, or 48:9 (7680x1440).

Currently, the industry standards are 2:3, 4:3, 16:9, 16:10, and 21:9, yet we only test one of those standards, as if the other ones don't exist, and as if new standards won't come up.

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59 minutes ago, Grinners said:

7680x2160 

 

We calling this 8k now???

Brb vertical pixels irrelevant.

Brb doing benchmark at 7680x1 (8k)

In case you didn't see the benchmark graph. It says 7680x4320.  This is 8K

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1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

But won't RX 490 be a VEGA card?

I think it will be dual 480s. Or the 480X will be dual 480s

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

I think it will be dual 480s. Or the 480X will be dual 480s

or just get 1080 ti already

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Just now, dexxterlab97 said:

or just get 1080 ti already

They released it?

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

They released it?

no but i expect them to be arriving sooner than vega 

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1 minute ago, dexxterlab97 said:

or just get 1080 ti already

Or wait for a new architecture from Nvidia and this graph will be obsolete. But AMD will be hot on their heels. If I was 18 I would buy stock in AMD like now and wait maybe 2-4 years and play the waiting game. From the looks AMD just needs more raw power. 

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

But AMD will be is always  hot 

 

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that's nothing...i heard that at 128K resolution they are dead EVEN...

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39 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

No, you stated that 8K was 7680x4320 and in 16:9, as if no other solution with 7680 horizontal pixels could be, including 32:9, or 48:9 (7680x1440).

Currently, the industry standards are 2:3, 4:3, 16:9, 16:10, and 21:9, yet we only test one of those standards, as if the other ones don't exist, and as if new standards won't come up.

Based on your pixel height of 2160, the resolution for 8K would be 15360x2160 (~33.18m pixels). 

 

 

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I think the better question is: Why did we switch from using vertical resolution (i.e. 1080 and 1440) to using horizontal (3860)?

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6 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

Based on your pixel height of 2160, the resolution for 8K would be 15360x2160 (~33.18m pixels). 

 

 

8K is the rounded measure of horizontal pixels, not total pixels. Any panel with a horizontal pixel count of 7680 is an 8K panel. 7680x144 would be a 8K panel.

When people say 8K has 4x the pixels of 4K, they say that with the assumption of both panels having the same ratio (typically 16:9).

 

8 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I think the better question is: Why did we switch from using vertical resolution (i.e. 1080 and 1440) to using horizontal (3860)?

The better question is why we used vertical to begin with. The movie industry has been using horizontal significantly longer than consumers even knew about looking at resolution.

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23 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

8K is the rounded measure of horizontal pixels, not total pixels. Any panel with a horizontal pixel count of 7680 is an 8K panel. 7680x144 would be a 8K panel.

When people say 8K has 4x the pixels of 4K, they say that with the assumption of both panels having the same ratio (typically 16:9).

 

The better question is why we used vertical to begin with. The movie industry has been using horizontal significantly longer than consumers even knew about looking at resolution.

I'm well aware of the 8K being a measure of horizontal pixels... (and then 1440p, 1080p being vertical). What I'm saying is that at the aspect ratios we're discussing based on the vertical height you provided a relative resolution to a 16:9 (industry standard) 8K display would be 15360x2160 (~33.18m pixels), as previously stated. 

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14 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

I'm well aware of the 8K being a measure of horizontal pixels... (and then 1440p, 1080p being vertical). What I'm saying is that at the aspect ratios we're discussing based on the vertical height you provided a relative resolution to a 16:9 (industry standard) 8K display would be 15360x2160 (~33.18m pixels), as previously stated. 

Allow me to explain it again.

 

8K is the measure of horizontal pixels. This measurement is useless without the vertical measure of pixels or the aspect ratio.

 

The industry standards are 3:2 (15:10), 4:3, 16:9, 16:10, and 21:9.

 

Multiple monitor setups can have horizontal pixel counts of 7680, thus being 8K. When using 4K panels that have aspect ratios of 16:9, the resolution of the two monitors is 7680x2160 and have an aspect ratio of 32:9. When using 1440p monitors that have aspect ratios of 16:9, the resolution of three monitors is 7680x1440 and have an aspect ratio of 48:9.

Nvidia has a name for these multiple monitor setups, it's called Surround. AMD also has a name, Eyefinity. Under both, multiple monitors are used as a single display, which is the same idea behind older ultrawide (21:9) monitors.

57 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

Based on your pixel height of 2160, the resolution for 8K would be 15360x2160 (~33.18m pixels). 

 

 

That is incorrect. Based on my pixel height of 2160, my monitor has 2160 rows of pixels. That is the only information you have to go off of, and you cannot reinvent the method of measuring the resolution to justify the notion that horizontal resolutions are the only determining point of total pixel counts.

If the aspect ratio is 16:9, then I have 3840 columns of pixels. That gives me a resolution of 3840x2160. That is only if my monitor is 16:9.

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2 minutes ago, Prysin said:

no it scales with mm2 and transistor count. If which the Titan XP has beat the RX480 around 3x and 2x respectivey...

No it doesn't.

More performance gets exponentially more expensive, just as with cars.

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lets analyze these three posts

you said: 

3 hours ago, Enderman said:

Since when did performance scale with price??

Since never.

 

in response to that i said

10 minutes ago, Prysin said:

no it scales with mm2 and transistor count. If which the Titan XP has beat the RX480 around 3x and 2x respectivey...

 

which means "no it doesnt scale with price, it scales with die size and transistor count".

 

then you reply by trying to shoot down my post with the following:

6 minutes ago, Enderman said:

No it doesn't.

More performance gets exponentially more expensive, just as with cars.

Which, is true. Yet totally irrelevant to OUR discussion, as i never mentioned price being a factor, nor did i mention any cars.

 

Conclusion: you cannot read and should go back to primary school for some refreshment tutoring.

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Either way you look at this, the article linked is 100% incorrect:

 

Quoted directly from the article:

 

"  To refresh your memory, 8K is a mammoth resolution that renders at 7680x2160 - 4x the pixels of 4K, and 16x the pixels rendered than 1080p. "

 

7680 x 2160 is not 4 x the pixels of 4k, nor 16 times the pixels of 1080p.

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4 minutes ago, Prysin said:

 

which means "no it doesnt scale with price, it scales with die size and transistor count".

 

If you think that comparing a single set of values is enough to draw a conclusion about a correlation trend, then you need to go back to statistics class, thanks.

 

Or math class, I've never heard of anyone drawing a graph based on a single point of data.

 

If you can show that all other GPUs will have their price follow their core count and die area, then I'll believe you.

But I know they don't, so I won't believe you :)

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42 minutes ago, Enderman said:

If you think that comparing a single set of values is enough to draw a conclusion about a correlation trend, then you need to go back to statistics class, thanks.

 

Or math class, I've never heard of anyone drawing a graph based on a single point of data.

 

If you can show that all other GPUs will have their price follow their core count and die area, then I'll believe you.

But I know they don't, so I won't believe you :)

find me ONE GPU that doesnt cost more if it has nearly 3x die size and 2x core count as another GPU in the same performance tier, or half that of its performance.

 

ONE

 

JUST

 

ONE

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25 minutes ago, Prysin said:

find me ONE GPU that doesnt cost more if it has nearly 3x die size and 2x core count as another GPU in the same performance tier, or half that of its performance.

What does that have to do with what you said earlier??

 

"it [price] scales with mm^2 and transistor count"

 

Well, this is what it looks like:

graphwrite.aspx?ID=772a4fc843ae4e2f83ca65a6c9650f83&r=5989.0548314&file=png

I think it's pretty obvious that it is not a straight line.

 

 

Well, just to make sure, I also made a graph on mm^2 vs price:

graphwrite.aspx?ID=772a4fc843ae4e2f83ca65a6c9650f83&r=6429.2544823&file=png

Again, it does not scale linearly.

 

 

I think it is pretty obvious that price also doesn't scale linearly with performance, so I won't bother to make a graph on that, but you can imagine it will look the same as above ^^

Price scales exponentially to mm^2, transistor count, core count, performance, etc...

That's how the world works, and has always worked. The higher up you go, the less you get for your money.

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6 minutes ago, Enderman said:

What does that have to do with what you said earlier??

 

"it [price] scales with mm^2 and transistor count"

 

Well, this is what it looks like:

graphwrite.aspx?ID=772a4fc843ae4e2f83ca65a6c9650f83&r=5989.0548314&file=png

I think it's pretty obvious that it is not a straight line.

 

 

Well, just to make sure, I also made a graph on mm^2 vs price:

graphwrite.aspx?ID=772a4fc843ae4e2f83ca65a6c9650f83&r=6429.2544823&file=png

Again, it does not scale linearly.

 

 

I think it is pretty obvious that price also doesn't scale linearly with performance, so I won't bother to make a graph on that, but you can imagine it will look the same as above ^^

Price scales exponentially to mm^2, transistor count, core count, performance, etc...

That's how the world works, and has always worked. The higher up you go, the less you get for your money.

again, you are just shit talking.

 

I never said it scaled linearly, those are YOUR WORDS

 

INFACT! The whole argument of price, IS YOUR WORDS.

 

Since you wanted to make it about price, you JUST PROVED MY POINT.

 

More cores, more mm2 = more money. YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT.

 

It was a direct reply to what you said earlier. LET US RECAP

 

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

If you can show that all other GPUs will have their price follow their core count and die area, then I'll believe you.

But I know they don't, so I won't believe you :)

 

DID LARGER GPUs WITH MORE CORES COST MORE? -> ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GRAPH. YES!

 

DID I AT ANY POINT STATE AND OR IMPLY THAT THEY SCALED LINEARLY IN PRICE?
 

37 minutes ago, Prysin said:

find me ONE GPU that doesnt cost more if it has nearly 3x die size and 2x core count as another GPU in the same performance tier, or half that of its performance.

 

ONE

 

JUST

 

ONE

 

1 hour ago, Prysin said:

lets analyze these three posts

you said: 

 

in response to that i said

 

which means "no it doesnt scale with price, it scales with die size and transistor count".

 

then you reply by trying to shoot down my post with the following:

Which, is true. Yet totally irrelevant to OUR discussion, as i never mentioned price being a factor, nor did i mention any cars.

 

Conclusion: you cannot read and should go back to primary school for some refreshment tutoring.

 

1 hour ago, Prysin said:

no it scales with mm2 and transistor count. If which the Titan XP has beat the RX480 around 3x and 2x respectivey...

 

 

DID I?
Uhm, NO. AT NO POINT DID I SAY IT SCALED LINEARLY NOR DID I SUGGEST SO. AGAIN YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH IN ORDER TO HAVE A ARGUMENT AT ALL. YOU WERE WRONG BEFORE THE ARGUMENT STARTED, AND YOU ARE STILL WRONG.

 

My statements said, pretty clearly i think, that performance scales with die size and core count. I also asked you to find me ONE GPU which does not perform better then another GPU with roughly three times less surface area and about half as many cores.

 

You have yet to deliver any sensible, meaningful reply to any of my replies. All you are doing is grasping at straws and trying to spread confusion in what seems like a desperate hope of being right. You still haven't proven a damn shit.

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3 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

that's nothing...i heard that at 128K resolution they are dead EVEN...

WTF o.O

that makes no sense, we all know AMD scales so much better with resolution.

 

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