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Hello. I am in the process of choosing parts for a new PC of mine. I have chosen the ROG STRIX 1080 GPU for my system. However, I keep going back and forth whether to get the 1080 and upgrade in about 3-4 years or, get a 970 and upgrade when a good Volta GPU comes out in a year or two. I really want to do dual 1440p. But I notcided that the technology for 4K is catching up, and within a few years our GPUs should be able to handle 4K 60FPS. I keep going back and forth between a 1080 and a temporary 970. Suggestions greatly appreciated! Thanks! 

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Just now, KSP said:

Hello. I am in the process of choosing parts for a new PC of mine. I have chosen the ROG STRIX 1080 GPU for my system. However, I keep going back and forth whether to get the 1080 and upgrade in about 3-4 years or, get a 970 and upgrade when a good Volta GPU comes out in a year or two. I really want to do dual 1440p. But I notcided that the technology for 4K is catching up, and within a few years our GPUs should be able to handle 4K 60FPS. I keep going back and forth between a 1080 and a temporary 970. Suggestions greatly appreciated! Thanks! 

How much is the 1080 vs 970? (regarding price)

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Titan XP can do 4k 60fps :)

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I would go with pascal, plus a used 1080 would have a much higher resale value than a 970 in the future.

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8 minutes ago, Grx said:

How much is the 1080 vs 970? (regarding price)

STRIX 1080 is around $700 I think. A GTX 970 from gigabyte is around $350

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8 minutes ago, EnemySp0tt3d said:

Don't get a 970 this late in the game. Much better options out now.

Ok. Well, 1070 I heard is good. Should I go with that instead?

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4 minutes ago, KSP said:

Ok. Well, 1070 I heard is good. Should I go with that instead?

If you want to do dual 1440p I would suggest to go 1080 if you can, to get those max settings and 60+fps, the 1060 might dip below 60fps at 1660x2. But 1070 is a solid option also if you don't mind tweaking the settings and some fps dipping.

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18 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Titan XP can do 4k 60fps :)

No. It almost can but still can't on every game. 

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Personally wait for Volta or Vega

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Just now, KSP said:

STRIX 1080 is around $700 I think. A GTX 970 from gigabyte is around $350

If you see yourself doing vr in the next couple of years I think you should jump on the 1080 with your teeth (This also goes for stuff like intense video rendering, 3d animations, game dev-ing, stuff like that)

If not, I still sit comfortably with a gtx 660 in my rig =D (No Joke)

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19 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

No. It almost can but still can't on every game. 

60fps ultra yeah it can, as long as you don't enable ridiculous amounts of AA.

Obviously no GPU will ever reach 60fps if you consider AA, since it's just an infinitely scalable algorithm.

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you can either play or watch.

Pascal JUST came out. Volta wont come untill in 1.5 years or 2 years.


You wanna watch your Wall untill then?

 

Buy when you need a GPU. Period. ^^

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Just now, Enderman said:

60fps ultra yeah it can, as long as you don't enable ridiculous amounts of AA.

Obviously no GPU will ever reach 60fps if you consider AA, since it's just an infinitely scalable algorithm.

Nah I have seen benchmarks, either jay or linus and it was at 50FPS. Close but nothing I would want to sink $1200 in when something much better is around the corner

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2 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Nah I have seen benchmarks, either jay or linus and it was at 50FPS. Close but nothing I would want to sink $1200 in when something much better is around the corner

Yeah that's because they do maxed out.

You don't need AA if you're running 4k since there already are enough pixels.

So yeah, it can pretty much do ultra on every game.

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25 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Yeah that's because they do maxed out.

You don't need AA if you're running 4k since there already are enough pixels.

So yeah, it can pretty much do ultra on every game.

I don't think you have played games at 4K. Usually 4K screens are usually larger so you can actually read things. In games like GTA V you can defiantly see the difference when AA is applied. Also on TVs at close range it makes a difference. Volta will suite 4K 60FPS

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Volta will suite 4K 60FPS

Then you just turn up the AA more and get 15fps.

And then 10 years from now with the titan XXX you just turn up the AA more than get 15fps again.

And then 100 years from now just turn up AA to 1000x and get 2fps on a quantum computer.

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36 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Then you just turn up the AA more and get 15fps.

And then 10 years from now with the titan XXX you just turn up the AA more than get 15fps again.

And then 100 years from now just turn up AA to 1000x and get 2fps on a quantum computer.

I think you are missing the point. Pascal is Maxwell. Seeing the improvements from just shrinking the dye. With a new architecture we will see 4K 60FPS with AA as needed. Also it isn't like things like Vulkan aren't going to exist in the future. You can't game without software.

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6 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

I think you are missing the point. Pascal is Maxwell. Seeing the improvements from just shrinking the dye. With a new architecture we will see 4K 60FPS with AA as needed. Also it isn't like things like Vulkan aren't going to exist in the future. You can't game without software.

Pascal is a new architecture.

That's what a new architecture is, a die shrink for better efficiency and performance.

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Pascal just has been released and now you want to wait for Volta? It's not worth waiting, get Pascal now.

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9 hours ago, Enderman said:

Pascal is a new architecture.

That's what a new architecture is, a die shrink for better efficiency and performance.

No, it is Maxwell architecture in a smaller node size. 

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I'm still on a 960, right now saving up for a 1080. I'll make it dependant on when I'll actually have the money to buy a 1080 or if Vega/Volta are right around the corner/released by then.

?  Give Me A Break Stop Now  ?

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2 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

No, it is Maxwell architecture in a smaller node size. 

Also nvdia said that clock for clock maxwell and pascal perform the same 

AMD (and proud) r7 1700 4ghz- 

also (1600) 

asus rog crosshairs vi hero x370-

MSI 980ti G6 1506mhz slix2 -

h110 pull - acer xb270hu 1440p -

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1 hour ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

Also nvdia said that clock for clock maxwell and pascal perform the same 

they do, they are the same...nvidia shrunk maxwell and overclocked it to the hills...then added a couple bonus features for VR.

| CPU: Core i7-8700K @ 4.89ghz - 1.21v  |  Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING  |  CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 |
| GPU: MSI RTX 3080Ti Ventus 3X OC  |  RAM: 32GB T-Force Delta RGB 3066mhz |
| Displays: Acer Predator XB270HU 1440p Gsync 144hz IPS Gaming monitor | Oculus Quest 2 VR

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The 970 is a horrible value right now, if you want to go the cheaper route the GTX 1060 is better in every possible way, including price.

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