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Windows 10 adoption rate having a hard time with businesses

suicidalfranco
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7 hours ago, Daring said:

Basically this. It's why Windows XP had such a long life, too. Businesses were reluctant to upgrade.

The military still uses it due to support

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7 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

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After a full year since the release of W10 it seems like businesses are still reluctant to do the switch. The data comes from Softchoice and out of 169 US and Canada based firms and more than 400.000 machines only .75% of those were on W10

The data collected goes further showcasing how split is the pie: 91% for W7 (up 18% compared to last year), 4% for W8 and 5% for XP and interestingly:

 

source: http://betanews.com/2016/08/12/business-reluctant-windows-10/

Believe it or not, I actually understand why, it falls back on when I used to volunteer for the local library, even when windows 8 was out, they were still using winXP for their systems because the versions of windows that followed XP were much more difficult to implement their login system

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4 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

The military still uses it due to support

Militaries are even more reluctant to upgrade.

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2 hours ago, Daring said:

I like how people are ignoring the fact that businesses take forever before they upgrade to a newer operating system, and instead pinning it on "Oh, it's unstable/invasive/shit!". They do not upgrade as quickly as consumers do. Hell, some are still running Windows 95 and even MS-DOS.

 

Why do you think Windows XP was supported for 13 years? Because businesses didn't want to upgrade from it for the longest time, and by the time they finished testing Vista before rolling it out business-wide, Windows 7 was out. And even then, MS still had trouble convincing businesses to upgrade from XP, because XP still worked for those businesses.

 

I'm sure the stability and privacy of the OS are considered in there somewhere, but honestly, think about how a business works compared to consumers. Hardware and software cycles are much slower with businesses than consumers. They greatly prefer stability over the fanciest new things, because any amount of downtime can be very costly for them.

You also have to factor in high cost of training the staff, the IT staff & the lost productivity whilst they are being trained.

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Just now, VirtualNinja said:

You also have to factor in high cost of training the staff, the IT staff & the lost productivity whilst they are being trained.

Indeed. So many factors you have to think of when you're a business looking into a new OS.

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Old job refused to upgrade from w7 on dev machines, though we used w10 in final testing just to verify. They were a windows only shop and decided they would just not upgrade from 7 until it lost all support. Have to switch then for legal reasons. The rest of the company is transitioning to linux and java platforms, i imagine they will do that with their next major re-write.

 

New job is 100% java backend with JS Angular and some other stuff for the front end. People dev on what ever they want (On my team its 3 macs, 2 pc, and 4 linux distros) and testing is normally done by another team for final verification using VMs.

 

I think some companies will realize when XP and 7 die off that linux isnt nearly as scary as it used to be, and 99% of what they need to do can be done on there now. Its just not worth the cost to re-invest in windows unless your entire stack is built on it.

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4 minutes ago, Daring said:

Indeed. So many factors you have to think of when you're a business looking into a new OS.

Back when XP was new, our office was all on 95/ NT4.0. We had this dial up remote access link to a small office, (Yes Australia's internet was shit back then too xD )  That system when down many times a day every day. After weeks of campaigning to the IT manager that we needed to update that system to XP, I was finally given the green light. Once installed it was never an issue from that point forward.

 

Simply there has to be a clear advantage to use a new OS.

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2 hours ago, RagnarokDel said:

I run windows 10 on my htpc, using a core 2 duo of the first gen at 2.67 ghz...

C2D isn't even that old yet, it's been just 10 years or something and is Win7/Vista age

I'm talking about machines that where bought in the XP age or pre-XP age and later updated to XP, like when all enterprises and government facilities started to massively digitalize in the late 90's

 

Plus at home you have just one computer, maybe one per person max...

Just look at Pentagon cashing out millions to Microsoft to keep XP running because it's cheaper than upgrading all the hardware

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6 hours ago, MrUnknownEMC said:

The new update (16xx) allow you set up when you wont update(Restart) or you could go with PRO version, i have not experience a force shutdown or update. It only updates when i say it so. 

I have the pro version installed on all of my windows desktops and laptop, I have only used Pro versions since XP, as the Home version of Windows XP had licensing limitations for number of devices that could connect to it on a network which I well exceeded.

 

With windows 10 not all of the GP settings work as they used to in previous versions, although I have resolved most of the issues by disabling windows update entirely which fortunately this option hasn't been disabled my MS yet.

The completely bullshit "Active hours" does not work, and can only be set to a maximum of 12 hours. This is a huge flaw as I use my systems at all hours of the day, and run processes overnight. I had the primary gaming system restart my computer 5 minutes after the active hours period ended while I was in the middle of playing a game (slow sarcastic clap Microsoft).

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I have the pro version installed on all of my windows desktops and laptop, I have only used Pro versions since XP, as the Home version of Windows XP had licensing limitations for number of devices that could connect to it on a network which I well exceeded.

 

With windows 10 not all of the GP settings work as they used to in previous versions, although I have resolved most of the issues by disabling windows update entirely which fortunately this option hasn't been disabled my MS yet.

The completely bullshit "Active hours" does not work, and can only be set to a maximum of 12 hours. This is a huge flaw as I use my systems at all hours of the day, and run processes overnight. I had the primary gaming system restart my computer 5 minutes after the active hours period ended while I was in the middle of playing a game (slow sarcastic clap Microsoft).

If you have pro version, you shouldn't have any problems ... defer upgrades and disable automatic updates and you should be fine... i run my PC 24/7 and only restarts/shutdown every few days. I have not experience a random shutdown due to windows updates from the time i upgraded to window 10. 

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2 minutes ago, MrUnknownEMC said:

If you have pro version, you shouldn't have any problems ... defer upgrades and disable automatic updates and you should be fine... i run my PC 24/7 and only restarts/shutdown every few days. I have not experience a random shutdown due to windows updates from the time i upgraded to window 10. 

Deferred upgrades being the most important part. The anniversary update fucked Windows Update up. Deferred upgrades will only protect you from that for so long before it is compulsorily pushed out, at which point you will have to reconfigure your settings as I did to prevent regular restarts while the system is in use.

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27 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Deferred upgrades being the most important part. The anniversary update fucked Windows Update up. Deferred upgrades will only protect you from that for so long before it is compulsorily pushed out, at which point you will have to reconfigure your settings as I did to prevent regular restarts while the system is in use.

? Deferred upgrade did stop the anniversary update, i had to remove option to get the update. Still by the time, all the problem will be fixed anyways. If you don't like windows go linux, i have been slowly moving to linux and running window 10/7 VM/wine for gaming or software compatibility. 

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11 hours ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Windows 10 restarts my computer frequently to install updates without my permission while I am using it, even after a series of GP modifications to stop this, WTF. The OS is broken, and not fit for purpose in many business environments. I would be extremely hesitant to allow windows 10 to be used at this time, as the occasional data loss and delays at home is a nuisance, but instrument downtime and data loss at work could cost upwards of $10,000 for an unexpected restart.

 

At work, we have PCs are running scientific equipment which are running 24/7. Restarts are pre-planned months in advance, and updates are seldom performed as they often break the communication protocols to the equipment. The vendor supplied software does not run on any OS later than Windows 7, with our oldest instruments still stuck on XP, and software updates typically only come with new instruments which might be replaced in 10-15 years.

 

There are a lot of software packages used by businesses that do not work on Windows 8 and up, and still some which do not work on windows 7 either.

I can understand a lot of the criticisms people have about Windows 10, but I've never encountered these random restarts myself. I leave my computer on for a few days at a time, but whenever there is an update available it pops a notification and lets me re-schedule when the update happens. So, I set it for a couple weeks away, and usually just restart manually the next time it's convenient. The only time I had it restart when I didn't want it to was when I forgot when I had set it to restart, which is my fault. It could definitely use more reminders about when it's going to restart though (i.e. every 2 hours starting from 12 hours before), which I don't think it does.

 

Back more on topic, this really isn't surprising. Getting businesses to upgrade any kind of software is often an uphill battle, especially something as essential as an OS. At least now that a year has passed Microsoft isn't trying to force everyone onto Windows 10 anymore (at least not like they were). It would be nice for Windows to have longer security support. We're kind of going to see that with Windows 10, being a more long term product, but it really would be nice if they could maintain 7, since it's just one more version. But a customer on Windows 7 is a customer who isn't buying Windows 10, so that won't happen.

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7 minutes ago, Hackaloken said:

I can understand a lot of the criticisms people have about Windows 10, but I've never encountered these random restarts myself. I leave my computer on for a few days at a time, but whenever there is an update available it pops a notification and lets me re-schedule when the update happens. So, I set it for a couple weeks away, and usually just restart manually the next time it's convenient. The only time I had it restart when I didn't want it to was when I forgot when I had set it to restart, which is my fault. It could definitely use more reminders about when it's going to restart though (i.e. every 2 hours starting from 12 hours before), which I don't think it does.

It does seem to be a bit of an unusual situation. With a few GP tweaks on my old primary desktop, it was rock solid, I installed updates every other Sunday when the nearest available downtime was. I have yet to go to the anniversary update on that system. It was however a mild nuisance compared to previous versions of Windows.

My new system went straight to the anniversary update at install, and all of the GP tweaks that I had previously used did not work, and there was an oddly high number of updates in the last couple of weeks that resulted in the system restarting at the worst of times. Although I am fairly certain that the latest configuration will resolve the issue.

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I imagine the costs out weigh the benefits at the moment. They'll all cling on until they don't receive updates anymore.

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13 hours ago, zMeul said:

gee ... wonder why, MicroSoft

if it ain't broke, don't fix it - W7 is by far the best OS MS put on the market in a very long time

 

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14 hours ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

Unsurprising. If a business runs a version of Windows that does everything they need there's no reason to upgrade and risk issues which could cost money.

Hell, I walked into a local business the other day and the PC at the desk was running 95...

Better Support, Better functionality, easier to use,

 

14 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

Windows 10 is too unstable for most companies to even consider it so this isn't a surprise, rather it is too be expected since microsoft focused on making an ecosystem and unnecessary features rather than making a rock solid OS

IDK what Windows 10 build you have ever tried But I've tried all release versions of Windows 10 (1507, 1511 and 1607) and it's actually very stable now.

 

13 hours ago, zMeul said:

gee ... wonder why, MicroSoft

if it ain't broke, don't fix it - W7 is by far the best OS MS put on the market in a very long time

IMHO, it's not. But that's the answer you expected anyway.

 

As a hobbyist developer, dealing with users who are not on Windows 10 is a huge pain in the ass and I would be glad if all of them switched.

 

14 hours ago, Daring said:

Basically this. It's why Windows XP had such a long life, too. Businesses were reluctant to upgrade.

This article is misleading as it doesn't show the amount of Businesses trialing Windows 10. Many businesses who are using Windows 7 or below are trialing Windows 10 in an enterprise environment.

 

13 hours ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Windows 10 restarts my computer frequently to install updates without my permission while I am using it, even after a series of GP modifications to stop this, WTF. The OS is broken, and not fit for purpose in many business environments. I would be extremely hesitant to allow windows 10 to be used at this time, as the occasional data loss and delays at home is a nuisance, but instrument downtime and data loss at work could cost upwards of $10,000 for an unexpected restart.

 

At work, we have PCs are running scientific equipment which are running 24/7. Restarts are pre-planned months in advance, and updates are seldom performed as they often break the communication protocols to the equipment. The vendor supplied software does not run on any OS later than Windows 7, with our oldest instruments still stuck on XP, and software updates typically only come with new instruments which might be replaced in 10-15 years.

 

There are a lot of software packages used by businesses that do not work on Windows 8 and up, and still some which do not work on windows 7 either.

The version you use is not the same as the version Businesses use. They have 100% control on updates.

 

13 hours ago, deviant88 said:

Theres nothing good in windows 10 for business, the whole cortana/Store bollocks is not usefull for any business, what actually windows needs is way way out of this picture read this article scroll down a bit to where problems are listed http://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html

I dont think windows has a future, when android mobile devices will get good enough for work the windows usage is going to go down very fast.

Nope. Not gonna happen. Most businesses on earth would die tomorrow if Windows died. Everything from ATMs to CCTV systems to Airports, to Hotels, to stores or even Starbucks.

 

9 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

Well this is not surprising, Look how long it has taken most companies to switch away from XP. :| 

I still know some companies that utilize XP today... That is because of the software that is used cost millions to reproduce for a newer OS.

Badly written software needs to be designed for separate versions of Windows. Well designed software runs on all versions with no problems.

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2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Better Support, Better functionality, easier to use,

I'll just reiterate my previous post: if the version of Windows they're running does everything they need, which it does because they wouldn't be using it if it didn't, then the don't need to upgrade.

Example: I'm still on 8.1. It's not because I don't like W10, it's just that 8.1 does everything I need and want it to do. Windows 10 hasn't given me a reason to upgrade, and it hasn't given businesses one either.

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1 minute ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

I'll just reiterate my previous post: if the version of Windows they're running does everything they need, which it does because they wouldn't be using it if it didn't, then the don't need to upgrade.

Example: I'm still on 8.1. It's not because I don't like W10, it's just that 8.1 does everything I need and want it to do. Windows 10 hasn't given me a reason to upgrade, and it hasn't given businesses one either.

In the case of my school, all teachers have laptops and all students have laptops.

 

All the laptops that the school gives to teachers and students who choose to use the school laptops use Windows 7. If they upgraded to Windows 10 then they'd have better battery life (Something everybody would appreciate!), easier to use GUI (this is super important since many teachers aren't exactly tech experts) and it's just easier to stay with an up to date version of Windows (most of the laptops are not up to date).

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5 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

In the case of my school, all teachers have laptops and all students have laptops.

 

All the laptops that the school gives to teachers and students who choose to use the school laptops use Windows 7. If they upgraded to Windows 10 then they'd have better battery life (Something everybody would appreciate!), easier to use GUI (this is super important since many teachers aren't exactly tech experts) and it's just easier to stay with an up to date version of Windows (most of the laptops are not up to date).

1: Battery life doesn't always increase with W10. I've upgraded a few laptops and each one's battery life tanked, even after endless clean installs.

2: "Easier to use GUI" is completely subjective, a matter of opinion.

3: Please explain? 7 still gets security updates, as does 8/8.1, and I've yet to see a piece of software that supports W10 and not 7 or 8.1.

 

The mentality that businesses, and indeed many consumers, use is: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." If it works well enough for the business to make a profit, no reason to upgrade.

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14 hours ago, Daring said:

Basically this. It's why Windows XP had such a long life, too. Businesses were reluctant to upgrade.

That, and also, Vista was garbage.

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5 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

1: Battery life doesn't always increase with W10. I've upgraded a few laptops and each one's battery life tanked, even after endless clean installs.

2: "Easier to use GUI" is completely subjective, a matter of opinion.

3: Please explain? 7 still gets security updates, as does 8/8.1, and I've yet to see a piece of software that supports W10 and not 7 or 8.1.

 

The mentality that businesses, and indeed many consumers, use is: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." If it works well enough for the business to make a profit, no reason to upgrade.

Windows 10 is more aggressive with updates. Windows 7 is more relaxed and this leads to most people not installing updates unless they're being harassed to by Windows.

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But Windows 10 is more aggressive with updates. Windows 7 is more relaxed and this leads to most people not installing updates unless they're being harassed to by Windows.

If people don't want to install updates, they shouldn't have to. Businesses don't need massive updates, as I've said before for what feels like the millionth time: "if it ain't broke don't fix it." If their systems work, why would they risk potentially messing up their computer infrastructure by upgrading Windows when they could just leave their systems on an OS that is perfectly sufficient for their needs and that they know works?

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Just now, ThinkWithPortals said:

If people don't want to install updates, they shouldn't have to. Businesses don't need massive updates, as I've said before for what feels like the millionth time: "if it ain't broke don't fix it." If their systems work, why would they risk potentially messing up their computer infrastructure by upgrading Windows when they could just leave their systems on an OS that is perfectly sufficient for their needs and that they know works?

I'm talking security updates. Not your "feature updates". 

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I'm talking security updates

...which are still present on both Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1. You don't need 10 for those.

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