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Remember the massive Samsung PM1633a SSD? Now it is available.

LeapFrogMasterRace
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You may remember the PM1633a for a previous wan show and now it is available kinda.

 

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Samsung started to ship its PM1633a SSD with 15.36 TB capacity to select customers in March and recently it began to supply the drive to select resellers as well. The enterprise-class SSD is now offered by two U.S.-based retailers and can be purchased for ~$10,000, which makes it one of the world’s most expensive commercial solid-state drives. Meanwhile, Samsung officially expanded its PM1633a family of SSDs with many lower-capacity models and has begun to ship the 7.68 TB version to at least one reseller.

 

When Samsung announced its PM1633a SSD earlier this year, it only introduced one model with 15.36 TB capacity. Since then, the company has officially expanded the PM1633a family with 480 GB, 960 GB, 1.92 TB, 3.84 TB and 7.68 TB model

Possible holy sheet video?

 

More information about the drive diretcly from samsung: http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/global/file/insight/2016/06/PM1633a-flyer-0.pdf

Article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10533/samsung-expands-its-pm1633a-lineup-as-1536-tb-ssd-hits-retail-for-10k

 

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I'll volunteer to test 24 of these, in RAID 0 and RAID 10 for the good of science! Just send me the tracking number and I'll put them to good use :) Of course I'll have to find a way to run 100Gb fiber between my PC and server, plus I'll need a few of them so it doesn't bottle neck on the PC side, so let's make it a nice round number and say that about 40 of them should suffice.

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Hey thats good. Cheaper drives. Go samsung

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9 minutes ago, Lurick said:

I'll volunteer to test 24 of these, in RAID 0 and RAID 10 for the good of science! Just send me the tracking number and I'll put them to good use :) Of course I'll have to find a way to run 100Gb fiber between my PC and server, plus I'll need a few of them so it doesn't bottle neck on the PC side, so let's make it a nice round number and say that about 40 of them should suffice.

also 8 raid cards

this is one of the greatest thing that has happened to me recently, and it happened on this forum, those involved have my eternal gratitude http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/198850-update-alex-got-his-moto-g2-lets-get-a-moto-g-for-alexgoeshigh-unofficial/ :')

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3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Hey thats good. Cheaper drives. Go samsung

seems to me like the same trend of $/gb

Thats that. If you need to get in touch chances are you can find someone that knows me that can get in touch.

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2 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

seems to me like the same trend of $/gb

Well yeah right now but the density is higher so then eventually smaller densities will be cheaper

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Well yeah right now but the density is higher so then eventually smaller densities will be cheaper

you can get a 1tb ssd for 0.25/gb

this is $0.75/gb

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7 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

you can get a 1tb ssd for 0.25/gb

this is $0.75/gb

It's also a niche, enterprise product with ECC. Those drives are usually 10x the price, not 3x. Samsung is just kicking Seagate in the balls with this.

 

Seagate's CEO said SSDs wouldn't have the capacity to compete with HDDs until past 2020. In a drive which is still 1/2 the size of a 3.5" HDD, Samsung has 60% more storage (50% if you eliminate the overprovisioning).

 

Seagate's CEO also said SSDs wouldn't ever be able to compete with HDDs in terms of $/GB. During Black Friday weekend, a Sandisk Ultra II 960GB was available for just under $200. At 20 cents per Gigabyte, that is within an order of magnitude of HDD prices. The distance is closing, and HAMR is going to make HDDs more expensive.

 

Further, the problem with big HDDs is the bit error rate is so high (1 in 10^14) that you are practically guaranteed to have a fatal error when reconstructing a RAID5/6. SSDs do not have this issue. SSDs also use far less power and are much easier to keep cool. That makes the gap on performance/watt/$ even smaller, the same applying to storage/watt/$.

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24 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

It's also a niche, enterprise product with ECC. Those drives are usually 10x the price, not 3x. Samsung is just kicking Seagate in the balls with this.

 

Seagate's CEO said SSDs wouldn't have the capacity to compete with HDDs until past 2020. In a drive which is still 1/2 the size of a 3.5" HDD, Samsung has 60% more storage (50% if you eliminate the overprovisioning).

 

Seagate's CEO also said SSDs wouldn't ever be able to compete with HDDs in terms of $/GB. During Black Friday weekend, a Sandisk Ultra II 960GB was available for just under $200. At 20 cents per Gigabyte, that is within an order of magnitude of HDD prices. The distance is closing, and HAMR is going to make HDDs more expensive.

 

Further, the problem with big HDDs is the bit error rate is so high (1 in 10^14) that you are practically guaranteed to have a fatal error when reconstructing a RAID5/6. SSDs do not have this issue. SSDs also use far less power and are much easier to keep cool. That makes the gap on performance/watt/$ even smaller, the same applying to storage/watt/$.

Im referring to them lowering prices

They are not

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28 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

Im referring to them lowering prices

They are not

They most certainly are. These are much cheaper per GB vs. the competition in the enterprise market. And Samsung has been the primary driver for falling flash prices in all markets.

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$0.65/GB. meh I guess your paying more for that juicy density

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1 hour ago, patrickjp93 said:

They most certainly are. These are much cheaper per GB vs. the competition in the enterprise market. And Samsung has been the primary driver for falling flash prices in all markets.

Ah ok

But for us peasants this will likely have no impact

Also I would argue curcial plextor adata had a bigger impact on the lower flash prices for peasants as samsung has generally been more high end in the ssd market

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2 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

It's also a niche, enterprise product with ECC. Those drives are usually 10x the price, not 3x. Samsung is just kicking Seagate in the balls with this.

 

Seagate's CEO said SSDs wouldn't have the capacity to compete with HDDs until past 2020. In a drive which is still 1/2 the size of a 3.5" HDD, Samsung has 60% more storage (50% if you eliminate the overprovisioning).

 

Seagate's CEO also said SSDs wouldn't ever be able to compete with HDDs in terms of $/GB. During Black Friday weekend, a Sandisk Ultra II 960GB was available for just under $200. At 20 cents per Gigabyte, that is within an order of magnitude of HDD prices. The distance is closing, and HAMR is going to make HDDs more expensive.

 

Further, the problem with big HDDs is the bit error rate is so high (1 in 10^14) that you are practically guaranteed to have a fatal error when reconstructing a RAID5/6. SSDs do not have this issue. SSDs also use far less power and are much easier to keep cool. That makes the gap on performance/watt/$ even smaller, the same applying to storage/watt/$.

Ssd's do not use less power than hard drives.  This used to be the case when they were smaller and had simpler controllers.  Now it isn't the case anymore 

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5 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Ssd's do not use less power than hard drives.  This used to be the case when they were smaller and had simpler controllers.  Now it isn't the case anymore 

Do what? Most still use much less power. You may get a few m.2 drives with higher performance taking more juice, but for the most part, they will still draw less.

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4 hours ago, Rune said:

Do what? Most still use much less power. You may get a few m.2 drives with higher performance taking more juice, but for the most part, they will still draw less.

More generically,  sata ssds draw less power than sata 7k and lower hdds.

 

Nvme ssds draw more than all but 10k and 15k hdds, but considering this drive is competing with two class leading 8TB hdds while being in a form factor half the size of one, it's overall power per unit storage is hilariously better. 

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8 hours ago, thekeemo said:

Ah ok

But for us peasants this will likely have no impact

Also I would argue curcial plextor adata had a bigger impact on the lower flash prices for peasants as samsung has generally been more high end in the ssd market

Those companies are only cheaper right now. The 840 EVO and 850 EVO led the charge, and then Crucial and Silicon Motion lowered their lithographies to get an edge on price. When the 860 EVO comes along, prices will drop again.

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8 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Ssd's do not use less power than hard drives.  This used to be the case when they were smaller and had simpler controllers.  Now it isn't the case anymore 

Yeah they do. The only way an SSD uses more is under NVMe for sustained writes, but frankly that instantaneous higher power draw does not tell the whole story. It's a race to sleep workload, and SSDs just do better at it. At idle good SATA SSDs don't use more than 0.1W, and that can even be improved as lithographies for the controllers shrink and we get ARM cores that can idle at even lower clock speeds.

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3 hours ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

More generically,  sata ssds draw less power than sata 7k and lower hdds.

 

Nvme ssds draw more than all but 10k and 15k hdds, but considering this drive is competing with two class leading 8TB hdds while being in a form factor half the size of one, it's overall power per unit storage is hilariously better. 

Exactly this, and the power draw under load isn't the whole story. The faster the task gets done, the less time the power is being drawn. I firmly believe NVMe drives still use less to accomplish the same task, even if they don't idle at lower power than modern HDDs (which can be fixed with controllers that idle at much lower clocks).

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2 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Those companies are only cheaper right now. The 840 EVO and 850 EVO led the charge, and then Crucial and Silicon Motion lowered their lithographies to get an edge on price. When the 860 EVO comes along, prices will drop again.

I haven't personally seen the Samsung ssds at the low end of the price spectrum in a long time

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32 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

I haven't personally seen the Samsung ssds at the low end of the price spectrum in a long time

6 months isn't a long time, and Samsung led the charge on NVMe in that time. It can't do everything at once. ;)

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16 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

6 months isn't a long time, and Samsung led the charge on NVMe in that time. It can't do everything at once. ;)

6months ago really? Thought it was the mx100 then..

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9 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

6months ago really? Thought it was the mx100 then..

Believe so. The 840 EVO and MX 100 were pretty much neck and neck on price.

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Awesome to see such SSD capacity, specially before HDD :D
Glad how SSD storage is evolving and improving in all fronts.

 

Price will still need to be reduced couple of times for massive capacity to be quite affordable. But we'll get there and I can't wait :)
Got 850 Pro 256GB once it was released. And it's amazing. Will get 1TB SSD once price comes as 850 Pro 256GB was at launch or so. It will take some time for such, but it will come not so far away. For video recordings and video editing it would be excellent. Also video games cause some benefit quite noticeably.

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5 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Exactly this, and the power draw under load isn't the whole story. The faster the task gets done, the less time the power is being drawn. I firmly believe NVMe drives still use less to accomplish the same task, even if they don't idle at lower power than modern HDDs (which can be fixed with controllers that idle at much lower clocks).

Well that and throughput at the cost of energy is a trade off worth making for many applications. It's a perfect standard for that really. 

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On 7/30/2016 at 3:44 PM, patrickjp93 said:

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Further, the problem with big HDDs is the bit error rate is so high (1 in 10^14) that you are practically guaranteed to have a fatal error when reconstructing a RAID5/6. SSDs do not have this issue. SSDs also use far less power and are much easier to keep cool. That makes the gap on performance/watt/$ even smaller, the same applying to storage/watt/$.

Aside from the error rate, another major problem with larger drives, is the "full disk" transfer times.  The mega sized HDDs cap out around 200-250 MB/s, and that is assuming sequential reading or writing, and certainly not simultaneous read/write.  But SSDs don't really suffer that problem, they will go 2-3x speed on SATA/SAS 6Gbps, but the only real upper limit is the transfer method.  HDDs are kind of stuck due to mechanical limitations.  So a 16TB SSD using PCI/NVMe tech will be able to use the full 16 TB in a reasonable amount of time (7.7 hours at 550 MB/s, 2.1 hours at 2 GB/s), where an HDD would take ~17 hours at 250MB/s.

 

And naturally, the larger you go, the more the access speed gap widens.

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