Seagate's NEW up to 10 TB Harddrives

[The Benjamins]

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Our recent interview with Seagate's CTO, Mark Re, gave us an idea about of the future of the hard drive market. As late as Q1 2016, Seagate had considered helium-based drives suitable for high-end applications only. However, the fast-changing competitive landscape, as well as changes in consumer requirements, have made it necessary for Seagate to re-evaluate the options. Today, the Guardian Series, consisting of a portfolio of 10TB helium-based drives, is being launched for various segments in the mainstream consumer market.

Seagate launched a 10TB helium drive for enterprise applications back in April. The technology is now making its way into 10TB drives for three different market segments:

• Desktop computing, with the BarraCuda Pro
• NAS units (1 to 8-bay) with the IronWolf series
• Surveillance (NVRs and DVRs) with the SkyHawk series

One of the important aspects to note here is that only the 10TB drives are helium-based. All the drives being launched today are 7200 RPM drives and use traditional perpendicular magnetic recording (PMR) technology

 

 

 

Nice to see HDD sizes keep getting bigger, lets hope this drives thee pricing of the 6 - 8TB models down.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10496/seagate-guardian-series-10tb-hdd-portfolio-brings-helium-mainstream

[Syntaxvgm]

Segate

though I'm glad they can keep pushing spinning rust mechanical drives further. 

[SeanAngelo]

lol. watch the failure rates be even worse.

 

#WDTeam

[The Benjamins]

Just now, SeanAngelo said:

lol. watch the failure rates be even worse.

 

#WDTeam

I never had issues with Segate or WD, I only had issues with crap OEM Hitachi drives

[Deli]

1 hour ago, The Benjamins said:

I never had issues with Segate or WD, I only had issues with crap OEM Hitachi drives

It's like saying my uncle smokes cigarette for fifty years without any sign of cancer(this is true).

 

Sample size is too small.

[SeanAngelo]

12 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I never had issues with Segate or WD, I only had issues with crap OEM Hitachi drives

go look at the failure rates of Seagate drives compared to WD.

[The Benjamins]

 

9 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

go look at the failure rates of Seagate drives compared to WD.

 

I never found a good test for that. do you have a source?

[Vode]

14 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

go look at the failure rates of Seagate drives compared to WD.

Failure rate seems to be only higher for the 3TB Seagate models... Basically avoid them but the rest of their line up is actually fine.

[That Norwegian Guy]

14 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

 

 

I never found a good test for that. do you have a source?

Watch him fish up BackBlaze like a muppet

 

Seagate were actually the lowest RMA HDD brand in 2012, 2013 and 2014 when discounting their 3TB drives. (Never buy odd-capacity drives, regardless of brand)

[Misanthrope]

Up next: Seagate to sell hot air...hot air based hdds that is.

[Bsmith]

36 minutes ago, SeanAngelo said:

go look at the failure rates of Seagate drives compared to WD.

what's your source? that blackblaze list that has a failed method and isnt scientificly reliable?

 

on topic:

nice! hopefully reliable and high capacity drives for the right price.

[79wjd]

21 minutes ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

Watch him fish up BackBlaze like a muppet

 

Seagate were actually the lowest RMA HDD brand in 2012, 2013 and 2014 when discounting their 3TB drives. (Never buy odd-capacity drives, regardless of brand)

I don't think it's just odd capacity drives. I've heard similar reports/rumors about 6tb drives having a similar issue. It seems to be drives that are multiples of 1.5tb that have problems.

[AlTech]

Why is everybody on the HDD industry sitting on their asses?

 

Well done for delivering FireCuda 2 years too late.

 

BarraCuda Pro is just a joke cos of the prices off these drives.

 

SkyHawk is way too late lol to be relevant and IronWolf is weird.

[ChineseChef]

I thought 10TB drives had been out for a while now?  These are simply newer, more consumer oriented models?

 

On the issue of magnetic HDDs, I think manufactures need to just plain give up on magnetic drive speed.  Just build slow speed, highly reliable, extra large drives.  Magnetics will have cost/GB for a long time still.  That is where they need to stay focused, on size and reliability.  HDDs can't even pretend to compete on speed, and SSDs are already larger than HDDs.  The only advantage to HDDs is cost, and even that is only worth it on the larger storage solutions.  Cause any system with only a few drives that doesn't need many TBs of storage, may find more benefit from going with SSDs than the cost savings of using HDDs. 

[The Benjamins]

9 minutes ago, ChineseChef said:

I thought 10TB drives had been out for a while now?  These are simply newer, more consumer oriented models?

 

On the issue of magnetic HDDs, I think manufactures need to just plain give up on magnetic drive speed.  Just build slow speed, highly reliable, extra large drives.  Magnetics will have cost/GB for a long time still.  That is where they need to stay focused, on size and reliability.  HDDs can't even pretend to compete on speed, and SSDs are already larger than HDDs.  The only advantage to HDDs is cost, and even that is only worth it on the larger storage solutions.  Cause any system with only a few drives that doesn't need many TBs of storage, may find more benefit from going with SSDs than the cost savings of using HDDs. 

Ya its a 4 new model ranges

[nawaf]

Will not touch a seagate drive ever, had a 3tb drive die on me suddenly. in less than two years. I have a wd blue 500gb that i bought 5 years ago and it is still working fine. Will not trust their drives even if i get them for free.

[Centurius]

1 hour ago, Deli said:

It's like saying my uncle smokes cigarette for fifty years without any sign of cancer(this is true).

 

Sample size is too small.

Sure, and the tests on which the "Seagate drives suck" stuff is based lack a ton of other requirements for a classic experiment

[Lethal Seraph]

But it's Seagate... 

[Deli]

57 minutes ago, Centurius said:

Sure, and the tests on which the "Seagate drives suck" stuff is based lack a ton of other requirements for a classic experiment

I'm not saying Seagate drives suck. Just saying the way OP defend is less than comprehensive.

[AlTech]

Just now, Lethal Seraph said:

But it's Seagate... 

is that supposed to mean we can give them free hugs and call it a day?

 

Cos honestly, I make no exceptions. It could be Toshiba or hitatchi or WD for all I care. People who make bad products deserve to be called out.

 

[That Norwegian Guy]

11 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

is that supposed to mean we can give them free hugs and call it a day?

 

Cos honestly, I make no exceptions. It could be Toshiba or hitatchi or WD for all I care. People who make bad products deserve to be called out.

 

 

Oh really. Well let me enlighten you.

 

In 2011 there was a major flood in Thailand. This wrought havoc on Western Digital and Toshiba, two out of four of the major hard drive manufacturing companies. These two companies could not operate at even 10% for almost a full year after this. Left to pick up the slack were Seagate and Hitachi.

 

These two companies were forced to lower QA standards to meet the unexpected demand. Both had to send B/ B+ bin stock to market. Naturally, this meant drives with imperfections, some of which normally wouldn't be sold, ended up on market. Seagate lowered prices on their range of products in this time span, to offset the expected quality hit.

 

Not surprisingly, there were high failure-in -warranty and RMA issues as a direct result of this. The alternative would have been not meeting demands for storage which could potentially crash an integral part of civilization as we know it. Facebook and Google infrastructure would croak.

 

And 5 years later, SEAGATE are still taking shit for this, for not choosing to kneecap the internet.

 

And the truth is, now, Seagate are factually an exemplar of quality but still have their reputation dragged through the mud for just doing the right thing in a time of crisis. Once burnt, twice shy, thrice idiot.

 

[SurvivorNVL]

Well, at least it is 10TB, so the failure rates can't be as bad.

[Djole123]

Seagate 10TB? For survelliance?

 

Not in a billion years.

[79wjd]

2 hours ago, ChineseChef said:

I thought 10TB drives had been out for a while now?  These are simply newer, more consumer oriented models?

 

On the issue of magnetic HDDs, I think manufactures need to just plain give up on magnetic drive speed.  Just build slow speed, highly reliable, extra large drives.  Magnetics will have cost/GB for a long time still.  That is where they need to stay focused, on size and reliability.  HDDs can't even pretend to compete on speed, and SSDs are already larger than HDDs.  The only advantage to HDDs is cost, and even that is only worth it on the larger storage solutions.  Cause any system with only a few drives that doesn't need many TBs of storage, may find more benefit from going with SSDs than the cost savings of using HDDs. 

HDDs also have the advantage of being safer for archival use than SSDs. SSDs still suffer from sudden and usually unrecoverable failures (albeit the failure rate is lower than that of HDDs) whereas HDDs tend to give some form of warning and are also far easier to recover data from. This obviously isn't much of an issue if you have some form of mirror/parity raid, but the vast majority of people won't have that thereby making HDDs a better solution for archival purposes.

2 hours ago, nawaf said:

Will not touch a seagate drive ever, had a 3tb drive die on me suddenly. in less than two years. I have a wd blue 500gb that i bought 5 years ago and it is still working fine. Will not trust their drives even if i get them for free.

One instance of bad luck should affect your view of a company..... All products suffer from the occasional defect and judging an entire company based on one bad experience is asanine.

[Doobeedoo]

That's some great storage. Good to see such capacity on consumer side. Awesome for mass storage and videos. Would want one. Maybe I would get it later on who knows.
Anyway, I've seen people say their drives fail. Well from my experience I never had issues with their drives before. Now I have 1TB and 3TB HDD and they work great.