The beginning of the end of HTC. HTC 10 struggles to sell 1 Million units.

[Bouzoo]

34 minutes ago, Nineshadow said:

Why is it stupid may I ask?

Among many, many bad reasons, which you can find more about explained online, MY main issue is that Euro as it is, is an imaginary currency, with no country standing behind it. If the EU were to collapse, so would Euro, leaving many countries that are using it in possibly big financial problems, seeing how some had problems when they first started using Euro, like for instance Slovenia. It was designed to be irreversible, which case of Greece proved to a point.

Some would take the hit easier, like for instance Germany (which benefits the most from Euro, and you could say kind of controls it), which still has huge amount of their Marks in reserves, in case (among others) they had to change the currency "over night". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think France has the same idea with franc. If my country were to adopt Euro, which is a possible scenario, and then EU collapses, it would likely crush us.

Seeing how UK is leaving EU, EU collapsing is a more likely scenario every day. They were more than clever not to use Euro. I still stand behind that, that you can't always put a single currency for multiple countries, in this case EU, and expect it to work, considering every country has a vestly different economy. 

Anyhow, this is for a different topic and different time, and it's how I personally see things. 

[NuclearPeace]

The biggest reason for bad sales is that 99% of stores didn't have HTC 10s in them in terms of stock or display models. On the day that it released for T-Mobile, I had to order it online instead of just walking in, pay, and getting the phone if I wanted a GS7 or an iPhone 6S. This creates a pretty big burden on potential customers to know that the phone exists and to read up on reviews before getting it and then having to wait days for it to ship.Also, the HTC 10 had no TV or billboard advertisements, which are things that Samsung uses extensively to get the word out about their phones.

 

You can't really blame the price of the phone at least in the US for the reason of poor sales. If that was the case, then the iPhone wouldn't be as extremely popular as it is. In the US, most people either get a "subsidy" two year contract plan that hides the real cost of the phone or get it financed through 12-24 months. The GS7 isn't that much cheaper than the HTC 10 especially considering that most people get the more expensive Edge version. At least here in the States, I struggle to see why people feel the HTC 10 is overpriced. You can't get a better DAC in a phone anywhere else and the LCD screen is excellent, perhaps best on Android. Sense is nonintrusive and near stock and HTC is definately a lot quicker than Samsung with updates. Plus, the HTC 10 comes with Uh-Oh protection as well.

[totjup5]

At least the vive is selling well...

[dizmo]

Haha, your headlines are always a little extreme. I don't see it as the end to HTC, they'll simply restructure and focus on VR. I could, however, see this as their exit from the mobile handset market.

 

I don't really think they did enough, soon enough. I mean, if I were to get a phone in that form factor, I'd grab the Axon 7. I see it as what the HTC should have been. Shame, really.

However, I think they have a very bright future with VR, and if losing out on the mobile market means they focus more on that...then excellent.

 

[Dabombinable]

when there is the moto g, Galaxy S5 and a shitload of other good phones, of course it didn't do well.

[iMikeTheKing]

10 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I don't know how the prices are in other countries, but here in Sweden it is most definitely a pricing issue.

Galaxy S 7 - 6000 SEK

HTC 10 - 6900 SEK

 

The HTC 10 is a good phone. I'd even say it is a great phone. But with the Galaxy S 7 being much cheaper, and slightly better in some areas, I don't see any reason to go for the HTC 10. You have to be better than the competitors at something to get sales. Right now I don't really see a reason to get the HTC 10 over the OnePlus 3, which is like 2/3 of the price.

 

I'd say the M8 was the beginning of the end. It was a downgrade from the M7 in many areas.

I'm in the US and on Amazon you can get a S7 for ~$40 cheaper than you can get a HTC 10. The S7 Edge is ~$35 more than a HTC 10. 

[Humbug]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

Haha, your headlines are always a little extreme. I don't see it as the end to HTC, they'll simply restructure and focus on VR. I could, however, see this as their exit from the mobile handset market.

since they are profitable in VR they have already taken steps to separate it from the smart phone business

http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2016/06/29/htc-just-spun-off-vive-better-selling-vr-smartphones/

that probably means they don't want the VR part of the business dragged down by trying to prop up phone business.

[WereCat]

11 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I don't know how the prices are in other countries, but here in Sweden it is most definitely a pricing issue.

Galaxy S 7 - 6000 SEK

HTC 10 - 6900 SEK

 

The HTC 10 is a good phone. I'd even say it is a great phone. But with the Galaxy S 7 being much cheaper, and slightly better in some areas, I don't see any reason to go for the HTC 10. You have to be better than the competitors at something to get sales. Right now I don't really see a reason to get the HTC 10 over the OnePlus 3, which is like 2/3 of the price.

 

I'd say the M8 was the beginning of the end. It was a downgrade from the M7 in many areas.

Agree. Here it is

HTC 10 - €600

Galaxy S7 - €520

Huawei Mate 8 - €480

 

Not to mention that most people here go for sub €200 phones.

[CyberneticTitan]

HTC 10 was too pricey to be competitive. Galaxy S7 bested it in price as well as advertisements.

 

How do you expect to sell well in Canada with a Bell exclusivity.....

Also anyone (like me) who pre-ordered it (sick $100 discount) had terrible customer service. No updates on shipping; people who ordered later got it earlier; no shipping confirmation or tracking until 5 days before received. Digital River (HTC 10 fulfillment company) sucked ass.

 

Great phone, poor exposure and delivery.

[RagnarokDel]

I wonder how many Vive they're selling?

[AlTech]

8 minutes ago, RagnarokDel said:

I wonder how many Vive they're selling?

Not enough to keep the company afloat for too much longer.

[porina]

18 hours ago, Nineshadow said:

Why is it stupid may I ask?

A basic problem with the euro is that the countries using it can be very different economically, and that leads to conflicting pressures. To work well participating countries would need to be economically convergent, which just isn't going to happen.

 

Back on HTC, I have to wonder if VR will help them out much. Their phones haven't been really a consideration for me, as I like mid range good value phones like the Nexus series, especially when it comes to software I don't want extra crap like on my work Samsung...

[spartaman64]

20 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

Among many, many bad reasons, which you can find more about explained online, MY main issue is that Euro as it is, is an imaginary currency, with no country standing behind it. If the EU were to collapse, so would Euro, leaving many countries that are using it in possibly big financial problems, seeing how some had problems when they first started using Euro, like for instance Slovenia. It was designed to be irreversible, which case of Greece proved to a point.

Some would take the hit easier, like for instance Germany (which benefits the most from Euro, and you could say kind of controls it), which still has huge amount of their Marks in reserves, in case (among others) they had to change the currency "over night". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think France has the same idea with franc. If my country were to adopt Euro, which is a possible scenario, and then EU collapses, it would likely crush us.

Seeing how UK is leaving EU, EU collapsing is a more likely scenario every day. They were more than clever not to use Euro. I still stand behind that, that you can't always put a single currency for multiple countries, in this case EU, and expect it to work, considering every country has a vestly different economy. 

Anyhow, this is for a different topic and different time, and it's how I personally see things. 

i actually think the euro was a pretty good idea but countries that didnt meet standards like greece lied to get in messed it up a little. but having multiple countries behind a currency gives it a lot of leverage and power and pretty much every currency today is "imaginary" with no value except the value a government says it has. also pretty much as long as Germany uses the euro it will retain a lot of its value and you say germany benefits a lot but really they dont benefit from it any more than other eurozone countries and they make the most contribution. Also there is a small distinction from the EU and the eurozone which the latter is probably what you meant to refer to. without the EU european countries would have found it hard to compete in today's global economy with much bigger countries like the US. When negotiating trade deals with the US if Germany or some other european country went by themselves the US would have much higher leverage and been able to make the deal more beneficial for themselves but when the EU together negotiates the deal the US is going against germany, france, and other EU countries as a whole the US would have much less leverage in the deal

[sof006]

The issue is HTC didn't price it very well... its VERY expensive.

 

£579.99 in the shop I work in, was contemplating getting one... until I saw the price.

[Fgtfv567]

On 7/6/2016 at 9:35 AM, Vegetable said:

Meanwhile my dumbass brought an LG G5..

What's wrong with the phone?

[Deletist_Jerk]

To think M7 was only 3 short years ago...

[Vegetable]

1 hour ago, Fgtfv567 said:

What's wrong with the phone?

Nothing its just I get hate all the time from my techie friends bc of Linus' shit review of a quite good phone imo

[Sakkura]

On 6/7/2016 at 7:37 PM, Bouzoo said:

Among many, many bad reasons, which you can find more about explained online, MY main issue is that Euro as it is, is an imaginary currency, with no country standing behind it. If the EU were to collapse, so would Euro

Which definitely isn't something that could happen to a national currency like, say, the Yugoslavian dinar...

 

All currencies are imaginary. They're abstractions of the concept of value that we normally attach to objects that are useful or desirable in their own right, detached from such objects to ease transactions. Making a currency more imaginary is like making an ocean wetter.

[Sakkura]

14 hours ago, RagnarokDel said:

I wonder how many Vive they're selling?

 

14 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Not enough to keep the company afloat for too much longer.

Steam hardware survey last indicated 0.15% have a Vive, meaning close to 200K units sold. Those numbers aren't entirely up to date, so we could be looking at a quarter million by now. But the pace through the rest of the year should be slower as they've plowed through the preorders now.

[byalexandr]

*cough* Vive *cough*

[ManIkWeet]

Stupid clickbait title... HTC is doing fine with the Vive

[Rune]

Give me an M7 with an updated processor and sd card slot, I'll buy.