I think AMD's numbers are quite misleading and the 480 might not be that great...

[GiSWiG]

AMD showed how the <$500 beats the $700 solution. I assume that the $199 is for 4GB and the 8GB version will be $249. If 2x RX 480s truly beat out the GTX 1080, then that statement is true, but there's a catch...there comparing REFERENCE designs.

 

This time around, Nvidia is actually making a $700 reference card, $100 more that their MSRP of $600 for basically the base level GTX 1080 for board partners. It is a given that board makers will be selling GTX 1080s at stock settings for $600.

 

So really, AMDs reference cards against board partners base level cards would be <$500 against the <$600 solution...

 

Also, notice the < meaning less than (in case your bad at math). 2x 8GB RX 480 at $249 = $498. I think its a given that the 8GB RX 480s will be $249 because they would have said <$400 if the 8GB were $199. If the 8GB 480s were going to be $224.99, x2 would be <$450. If they applied the same tactic to the Nvidia reference price (i.e. Founders Edition) and used Nvidia's MSRP then it would really be <$500 vs <$600...

 

But we already know that board partners will be putting out cards at about Founders Editions prices that are going to be running between 100-150mhz higher than the FEs. I think it is safe to say, that AMD's statement that the <$500 beating the $700 solution is defuncted.

 

Obviously, the board partners producing overclocked versions of the RX 480s and because AMD announced baseline prices will be $199-$249, OC'd board partner cards will hit over $300, possibly $325. I don't think board partners will bother with 4GB cards. That ship has sailed. 

 

So lets take 2x 8GB RX 480s OC'd at $299 vs a GTX 1080 OC'd at $699. Now we got <$600 vs <$700 but I bet the GTX 1080 will get better overclocks than the RX 480s. I doubt 2x OC'd RX 480s will match one OC'd GTX 1080.

 

I also think that the watts required by 2x OC'd RX 480s will roughly equal or exceed one OC'd GTX 1080.

 

Now if you take a single OC'd 8GB RX 480 against a OC'd GTX 1070, I think the 480 would win. However, if your considering an OC'd GTX 1070, 2x 480s at reference specs might be better unless your mobo can't support CrossFire or two GPUs.

 

Yes, I'm speculating, but I wanta see the 490 from AMD. It will probably be Vega based and know the GTX 1080's socks off but I bet Nvidia will have a GTX 1080 Ti or maybe the next Titan available around the same time.

 

Either way, I'm shooting for 1440p gaming and an OC'd 1070 or 2x 480s would be good enough for me. I'll be going for MSI's GAMING version too.

 

P.S. I'm no fanboy of either. I've had AMD cards for years but the GTX 1070 is pulling me in Nvidia's direction. I'd got AMD again if their numbers do really look good for $400.

[dreamhacking]

To see if AMD's numbers look good, gotta watch for some benchmarks haha =P

[Dzzope]

While I have no confidence in AMD's numbers.. your talking hot air till we see numbers.

 

Wait, see, make choice.

[Imglidinhere]

It's sound logic from what I can tell... however, the days of buying two lesser cards to crossfire to compete for better performance are looong since passed. The last time that was a viable option was back when the red team was named ATI.

 

The RX 480 will be a performance sweet-spot I think. Anyone who buys one will likely not be pulling the multi-GPU route... not unless it's substantially cheaper for better performance...

[Nena Trinity]

I heard some board manufacturers plan to make a dual 480 card!

[Starelementpoke]

10 minutes ago, GiSWiG said:

AMD showed how the <$500 beats the $700 solution. I assume that the $199 is for 4GB and the 8GB version will be $249. If 2x RX 480s truly beat out the GTX 1080, then that statement is true, but there's a catch...there comparing REFERENCE designs.

 

This time around, Nvidia is actually making a $700 reference card, $100 more that their MSRP of $600 for basically the base level GTX 1080 for board partners. It is a given that board makers will be selling GTX 1080s at stock settings for $600.

 

So really, AMDs reference cards against board partners base level cards would be <$500 against the <$600 solution...

 

Also, notice the < meaning less than (in case your bad at math). 2x 8GB RX 480 at $249 = $498. I think its a given that the 8GB RX 480s will be $249 because they would have said <$400 if the 8GB were $199. If the 8GB 480s were going to be $224.99, x2 would be <$450. If they applied the same tactic to the Nvidia reference price (i.e. Founders Edition) and used Nvidia's MSRP then it would really be <$500 vs <$600...

 

But we already know that board partners will be putting out cards at about Founders Editions prices that are going to be running between 100-150mhz higher than the FEs. I think it is safe to say, that AMD's statement that the <$500 beating the $700 solution is defuncted.

 

Obviously, the board partners producing overclocked versions of the RX 480s and because AMD announced baseline prices will be $199-$249, OC'd board partner cards will hit over $300, possibly $325. I don't think board partners will bother with 4GB cards. That ship has sailed. 

 

So lets take 2x 8GB RX 480s OC'd at $299 vs a GTX 1080 OC'd at $699. Now we got <$600 vs <$700 but I bet the GTX 1080 will get better overclocks than the RX 480s. I doubt 2x OC'd RX 480s will match one OC'd GTX 1080.

 

I also think that the watts required by 2x OC'd RX 480s will roughly equal or exceed one OC'd GTX 1080.

 

Now if you take a single OC'd 8GB RX 480 against a OC'd GTX 1070, I think the 480 would win. However, if your considering an OC'd GTX 1070, 2x 480s at reference specs might be better unless your mobo can't support CrossFire or two GPUs.

 

Yes, I'm speculating, but I wanta see the 490 from AMD. It will probably be Vega based and know the GTX 1080's socks off but I bet Nvidia will have a GTX 1080 Ti or maybe the next Titan available around the same time.

 

Either way, I'm shooting for 1440p gaming and an OC'd 1070 or 2x 480s would be good enough for me. I'll be going for MSI's GAMING version too.

 

P.S. I'm no fanboy of either. I've had AMD cards for years but the GTX 1070 is pulling me in Nvidia's direction. I'd got AMD again if their numbers do really look good for $400.

They already responded to people´s questions:

3 hours ago, Valentyn said:

In response to certain people stating AMD pulled the Ashes results out of their backsides or ran at lower settings; here are the actual benchmarks used; which are logged on the AoTS database.

 

They both used the same settings.

GTX 1080
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/a957db0f-59b3-4394-84cc-2ba0170ab699

 

RX 480 CF
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/personas/b0db0294-8cab-4399-8815-f956a670b68f/match-details/ac88258f-4541-408e-8234-f9e96febe303

Also pointed out before: Ashes uses procedurally generated terrain and weather, and the AMD cards had more snow on their benchmark.

To Further that, AMD responded on reddit here stating this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4m692q/concerning_the_aots_image_quality_controversy/
 

 

[Djole123]

1 minute ago, Nena360 said:

I heard some board manufacturers plan to make a dual 480 card!

That would be awesome...

 

But how huge will it be? The R9 390x2 is a triple slot 580W beast of a GPU.

[Nacho Marco Segui]

Could we just wait? Please?

[Nena Trinity]

3 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

That would be awesome...

 

But how huge will it be? The R9 390x2 is a triple slot 580W beast of a GPU.

http://wccftech.com/powercolor-liquid-cooler-amd-polaris-amd-radeon-pro-duo/

[LeStringMan]

Idk about 299 for an aib overclocked 8gb model 259 or 269 maybe, remember the R9 380 launched at 199 also, the 380x i believe launched at $229.

[FloRolf]

"I think"

"will probably"

"I assume"

 

okay...

[Starelementpoke]

1 minute ago, LeStringMan said:

Idk about 299 for an aib overclocked 8gb model 259 or 269 maybe, remember the R9 380 launched at 199 also, the 380x i believe launched at $229.

4GB 480 $199. 8GB 480 $229.

[Hero7750]

9 minutes ago, Nena360 said:

I heard some board manufacturers plan to make a dual 480 card!

 

6 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

That would be awesome...

 

But how huge will it be? The R9 390x2 is a triple slot 580W beast of a GPU.

It would be pretty cool if some board partners made a dual gpu fx 480 but it will still have the high price point as if buying 2 separate gpus, and games that support more than 1 gpu are becoming less and less common.

[LeStringMan]

2 minutes ago, Starelementpoke said:

4GB 480 $199. 8GB 480 $229.

I know, i am just wondering why the op thinks that an overclocked aib card would ramp all the way up to 299.

[Starelementpoke]

Just now, LeStringMan said:

I know, i am just wondering why the op thinks that an overclocked aib card would ramp all the way up to 299.

Ah, I see.

[Sintezza]

Blah Blah Blah

This topic is basicly just as missleading as the numbers.

Its pretty much based on nothing.

 

/Thread

 

[LeStringMan]

4 minutes ago, Hero7750 said:

 

It would be pretty cool if some board partners made a dual gpu fx 480 but it will still have the high price point as if buying 2 separate gpus, and games that support more than 1 gpu are becoming less and less common.

If anything it seems as though AMD has been pushing/supporting multi gpu more in recent times.

http://gpuopen.com/amd-crossfire-api/

[M4st4M1nd]

Honestly I still think the RX 480's are much better value. Looking at the 1080's its doubtful they'll OC well since they're voltage locked. Also you need to take into account Async support on AMD's card plus the extra headroom still to be made with better drivers. The winner is very clearly AMD this time around.

Hopefully Vega comes in with a single card solution that blows everything away even more so.

[Hero7750]

4 minutes ago, LeStringMan said:

If anything it seems as though AMD has been pushing/supporting multi gpu more in recent times.

http://gpuopen.com/amd-crossfire-api/

just because AMD is pushing for it doesnt mean game developers are 

[LeStringMan]

4 minutes ago, Hero7750 said:

just because AMD is pushing for it doesnt mean game developers are 

Well you know with all of AMD's pushing DX12, Shader intrinsics, Explicit multi gpu, and what not, multi gpu support should (theoretically) be easier to add to a game than it ever has been, unless you know game developers stay with nVidia stuck in the world of DX11 for all eternity. 

[BrightCandle]

Actually its pretty likely that a cheaper 2x card solution will win out in the end, it always has in the past. 2x 970 was quite a bit faster than a 980 ti and the reason is that as you get closer to the limit of performance the price goes up, bigger die sizes cost proportionately more to produce as defects knock out more of the wafer yield. In addition all that extra performance often requires better quality RAM and bigger power phases and all that jazz so high end cards cost a lot more, the fps/$ is lower.

 

So with the RX 480 being on the small side with a narrow bus and normal GDDR5 we have a cheap card to make and so its right in that sweet spot of easy to produce with high yields area. The 1080 is 50% larger as a die, its got GDDR5X which is brand new and likely a lot more expensive. As a result its fps/$ is lower. Crossfire/SLI always produces better fps/$ than buying the faster card for this reason, but there is a catch and its a really important consideration. SLI/Crossfire only helps when games have support and it scales well enough. Historically with 2x680 and 2x970 I have been very happy with SLI, but this year its been almost useless. It didn't scale in the division for over a month, Warhammer total war doesn't support it all and the Vulkan release due wont either and then you have the other DX12 games like hitman that don't have any support at all. AoS is a tech demo, it heavily favours AMD but no one plays it, its a not a good game! So there are reasons to be cautious about taking on crossfire/SLI as a solution, especially two mainstream cards.

 

AMD used this particular strategy twice before to great effect, the 4870 (and the 4870X2) and the 5870 (and the 5970 which was a dual card). Both these generations of cards relied entirely on crossfire to address the higher tier market and they were cheaper than the Nvidia big, hot and loud cards of the time and more performance. But the problem was AMD's crossfire stuttered often and it often didn't scale. It gained them market share but I think a lot of people had bad experiences with the solution. The way the RX 480 has been advertised I get the impression they are intending the same thing to happen this year, to compete with the 1080 with 2x RX 480. Be cautious and educate yourself about crossfire's current issues because its not all roses.

[ivan134]

LMFAO. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

AIB card for $300? $325?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Uh huh. I believe you when you say you're not a fanboy.

[Simon771]

I don't think that final cost will be 300$ for that GPU ... will be lower if you ask me.

 

I do want that GPU to be fail, just so I can sell my R9 390 nitro for decent price while I still can haha

 

Another thing with that release video ... when they are comparing how game is running on GTX 1080 vs 2x RX 480 ... I don't have to be expert to notice huge difference. I'm sorry, but game looks just better on GTX 1080. It's like the GTX 1080 is doing 4K, and those 2 cards from AMD are maybe on 1440p. That's how it looks to me.

[GiSWiG]

57 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

LMFAO. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

AIB card for $300? $325?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Uh huh. I believe you when you say you're not a fanboy.

Remember, I'm talking $249 for 8GB variant base model on AMD's <$500 comment. Go to newegg right now, look at the R9 380 4GB models and you'll see a $50 difference between the low-end to the high-end. The difference in MHz, averages 20mhz. Now look at the GTX 980s. They range from $399 to $479 (excluding the ridiculous ones). That's $80 and a difference of 140MHz.

[GiSWiG]

And if AMD does sell the 8GB version for around $225, wouldn't they have said <$450 vs the $700 solution?