Do you guys think nVidia is screwed?

[VagabondWraith]

With more and more DX12 benchmarks showing a serious @ss whoopin by AMD onto nVidia, what does everyone make of this? Y'all think nVidia is doomed?

 

IMO, I think they're in a world of hurt if Pascal doesn't have Async Compute. If Pascal doesn't have Async, might as well declare victory for AMD.

[IsaacDaGrazin]

i still dont know what dx12 is. is it software like specially for cards? or like a physical thing that Microsoft threw in graphic cards

[pckid]

INB4 Flame Wars...

[Moonzy]

4 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

With more and more DX12 benchmarks showing a serious @ss whoopin by AMD onto nVidia, what does everyone make of this? Y'all think nVidia is doomed?

 

IMO, I think they're in a world of hurt if Pascal doesn't have Async Compute. If Pascal doesn't have Async, might as well declare victory for AMD.

screwed no, but hopefully the gpu marketshare will be back to 50/50 so we, the consumer wins

[Blucyrik]

I find it funny when people post stuff like this.

 

If Nvidia doean't make successful cards this time round (which chances are, they'll continue to make competitive cards) it's not like Nvidia will cease to exist or something. They'll still have companies purchasing server hardware like the Quadro and Tesla cards.

 

It's like if Microsoft doesn't make a successful Windows operating system. They still have tons of business solutions with other companies and divisions.

 

Do I think Nvidia is screwed in any way? Uh, no?

[Godlygamer23]

It's a couple games so far. No, I do not think NVIDIA is screwed - we have no benchmarks for NVIDIA's new drivers I don't think, which received optimizations for Ashes of the Singularity, and DX12 will require some adoption time, allowing NVIDIA to do what they need to do to stay competitive with AMD.

[pagani123]

first its amd getting beat down by nvidia now its nvidia getting beat down by amd its just natural progression of business there are ups and downs its normal and people always like to blow it out of proportions 

[Godlygamer23]

4 minutes ago, IsaacDaGrazin said:

i still dont know what dx12 is. is it software like specially for cards? or like a physical thing that Microsoft threw in graphic cards

DX12 is software where cards have to support specific features in order to use them, like Async computing. Most video cards, including the 500 series support DX12 in the sense that they can have a low-level API to reduce CPU overhead.

 

Bear in mind no graphics card fully supports DX12 right now.

[IsaacDaGrazin]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

DX12 is a software where cards have to support specific features in order to use them like Async computing. Most video cards, including the 500 series support DX12 in the sense that they can have a low-level API to reduce CPU overhead.

 

Bear in mind no graphics card fully supports DX12 right now.

ooh thanks

[Lethal Seraph]

Company with 75%+ market share is doomed? I doubt it. If they don't offer that feature, the next iteration of card will. It'll just hurt them this quarter but ultimately still be around for a very long time.

[HKZeroFive]

Maybe a decline in market share at most, but definitely not doomed.

 

Wouldn't call it entirely bad news for NVIDIA since we haven't had enough concerte proof that async compute will be an entire game changer for AMD and the adoption of DX12 won't be immediate. It's more like it's just good news for AMD.

 

Remember, most uninformed consumers (aka 90% of people) prefer NVIDIA over AMD anyway, so it's going to be a very, very long time before NVIDIA is actually doomed.

[Cvdasfg]

Just now, Lethal Seraph said:

Company with 75%+ market share is doomed? I doubt it. If they don't offer that feature, the next iteration of card will. It'll just hurt them this quarter but ultimately still be around for a very long time.

this. With all the crap AMD has been getting for the past few years there is no way they are in trouble. 

[Fetzie]

3 minutes ago, Lethal Seraph said:

Company with 75%+ market share is doomed? I doubt it. If they don't offer that feature, the next iteration of card will. It'll just hurt them this quarter but ultimately still be around for a very long time.

Not to mention their rather large fanbase, and quite a few of them will buy the nVidia card regardless of its performance, and defend that decision to the death.

[MoonSpot]

Not doomed at all, and I doubt a decline.  A single thing does not  a trend make, nor does it change the whole markets opinion of the brand overnight.

[VagabondWraith]

Maybe I misused the term "doomed." What I meant was, performance wise in next gen cards Pascal/Polaris, as I didn't mean nVidia is forever doomed as a company. Async seems to be AMD's ACE (literally) which provides a huge performance benefit to AMD, but not so much nVidia.

 

IMO AMD takes the next round and we have to wait for nVidia's Volta to even things back up again.

[Clyne]

If they keep doing the thing that they are doing, then nVidia should be fine.

While there's some people wanting nVidia to use their old products again like Voodoo or Fermi...

[PlayStation 2]

We'll see what Nvidia decides to do. If Nvidia does jack shit about asynchronous compute and leaves it onto the CPU, they're 100% screwed. Now if Nvidia knows what they're doing then they have a fighting chance against AMD.

[Roawoao]

Technically it would be good if Nvidia lost a GPU development cycle (not for Nvidia shareholders but the entire industry as a whole) as AMD is in far more dire financial situation and them going under would be bad news for everyone. 

[DarkBlade2117]

"With the past couple benchs in DX12 ( Still not fully being used by most GPUs ), Is nvidia screwed?"

"OMG AMD LOST BY 4% IN A DX12 BENCH, THEY BETTER DO SOMETHING OR THEY ARE GOING BANKRUPT. EVERYONE GET READY TO SELL YOUR AMD GPUs"

[Briggsy]

13 minutes ago, Roawoao said:

Technically it would be good if Nvidia lost a GPU development cycle (not for Nvidia shareholders but the entire industry as a whole) as AMD is in far more dire financial situation and them going under would be bad news for everyone. 

pretty much this.

 

Plus my own two cents - We all know that once Intel has the motivation and the means, they would gladly stomp on both AMD and Nvidia for graphics. They already own 3/4 of the graphic market on PC (even if it is only iGPU), but in this industry, there are no side-liner companies waiting to jump in if AMD or Nvidia take a fall. If AMD falls, Intel has only one more company to stomp. It's not like you can recuit a few engineers and start up a processor company. Hell, even China can't clone intel cpu's, and they clone every single product on the market. If Nvidia were smart, they would do everything in their power to keep themselves and AMD alive, but so far they seem to be following a spray and pray tactic, with lawsuits and proprietary technology. Sony played the same game in the electronics market, and eventually consumers saw through their crap. I hope Nvidia starts playing the long game instead of the short game, because its literally the laws of physics that is keeping them from getting steam-rolled by Intel (same goes for AMD, although they are at least playing the long game to the best of their abilities).

[Lethal Seraph]

4 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

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Wouldn't we all appreciate if Intel does absorb AMD GPU graphics and beat the crap out of Nvidia for competition sake. Sadly, I don't think that's gonna happen since Intel doesn't really have any incentive obviously due to iGPU share.

[JefferyD90]

37 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

With more and more DX12 benchmarks showing a serious @ss whoopin by AMD onto nVidia, what does everyone make of this? Y'all think nVidia is doomed?

 

IMO, I think they're in a world of hurt if Pascal doesn't have Async Compute. If Pascal doesn't have Async, might as well declare victory for AMD.

I'd like to raise this point... When DX 10 and 11 (because really, they're the same launch) came out who had the best performance then?  (FYI it was AMD, they had a DX10/11 capable cards at least a generation ahead).

 

The only time either of the two companies needs to be shakin' in their boots is when a AAA title game comes out, using DX12.  That's it, you just have to have a good video card at that EXACT moment.

[Briggsy]

2 minutes ago, Lethal Seraph said:

Wouldn't we all appreciate if Intel does absorb AMD GPU graphics and beat the crap out of Nvidia for competition sake. Sadly, I don't think that's gonna happen since Intel doesn't really have any incentive obviously due to iGPU share.

That would definitely be a best case scenario, if Intel were to buy Radeon Technology Group. A lot of People might hate AMD, but even the most die-hard Nvidia Fanboys would consider a 10nm Intel discrete GPU that outperforms Nvidia 2-to-1, at 2/3 the power draw.

 

sigh... if only these companies were fueled by a sense of accomplishment instead of money. 

[ivan134]

No, they're not doomed and Pascal will have asynchronous shaders. What's confusing is why people keep going back to a company whose forte is deceit. They advertised Maxwell as dx 12 ready, but did not include asynchronous shaders because they wanted to sell people fairy tales about power consumption.

[El Diablo]

NVIDIA AND INTEL ARE BOTH SCREWED

 

THIS IS OLD AMD 28NM VS INTEL NEW 14NM