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56 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

No because as sick as it sounds, attempting to find cp is not illegal for obvious reasons. You can only get them if they actually grab the files. 

Their goal wasn't to get them to dl it, it was to have a database of potential criminals to work with (because if they are dl'ing stuff from that site, they problem do it from others). They now have 1,300 new ppl on their watch list.

 

The FBI got a slap on the wrist for the hacking part and will probably get away with distributing cp with the excuse its to catch criminals but it only takes 1 of those 1,300 pedos to have a smart lawyer. A smart lawyer that will say the FBI tricked his client and this is entrapment. Now 1,300 pedos got away with cp downloading! 

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2 minutes ago, GeekJump said:

Their goal wasn't to get them to dl it, it was to have a database of potential criminals to work with (because if they are dl'ing stuff from that site, they problem do it from others). They now have 1,300 new ppl on their watch list.

 

The FBI got a slap on the wrist for the hacking part and will probably get away with distributing cp with the excuse its to catch criminals but it only takes 1 of those 1,300 pedos to have a smart lawyer. A smart lawyer that will say the FBI tricked his client and this is entrapment. Now 1,300 pedos got away with cp downloading! 

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Just now, GeekJump said:

Their goal wasn't to get them to dl it, it was to have a database of potential criminals to work with (because if they are dl'ing stuff from that site, they problem do it from others). They now have 1,300 new ppl on their watch list.

 

The FBI got a slap on the wrist for the hacking part and will probably get away with distributing cp with the excuse its to catch criminals but it only takes 1 of those 1,300 pedos to have a smart lawyer. A smart lawyer that will say the FBI tricked his client and this is entrapment. Now 1,300 pedos got away with cp downloading! 

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Uhh entrapment could literally never be a factor here because the very act of browsing the site intentionally breaks all plausibility of entrapment. Not to mention choosing to download something.

 

In other words (since you obviously will understand...) This FBI "sting" (although it really isn't) cannot count as entrapment in the "objective" sense as it would insanely implausible (I won't say impossible because unlike the court of law, I exist in the court of science and impossibility is an insanely rigorous statement) that this COULD catch someone who wasn't "ready and willing to commit the crime". Now I understand many more places use the subjective test (although federal courts are more ambiguous in this sense), but I would argue that no lawyer regardless of how good could actually successfully argue the subjective test given the UTTER lack of FBI trying to get you to browse the site in the first place.

 

 

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1 hour ago, samcool55 said:

Nice that they are hunting them, but this is not the right way.

Owning CP is illegal and you can get into jail because of that. And the FBI has that, and even hosted it. So they should get the same punishments as the people that were keeping the site in the air before them, right?

 

Also, how can they know a guy from the fbi copied some cp to sell it in the underground market? I mean that would be a genius move.

He or she know the places to sell it, and know how to avoid getting caught because well, caching people is their job! Soo... why don't we hear such things?

I mean fbi employees are prepared to do a lot for money, remember the bitcoin theft? :P

If a police car drives at 100mph, to catch someone who was driving at 95mph in a 40mph zone, should the police officer be arrested and given a ticket to?

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5 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

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13 minutes ago, LoreBeast said:

Not Saul Goodman?

I never finished breaking bad so I wont watch that until I get around to BB...

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1 hour ago, Vanderburg said:

That's not how entrapment works. Entrapment is if they coerce you to do something you weren't already going to do.

I'm not talking about how the law defines it (the crime). I'm talking about the literal meaning of the word, as I said "or in literal terms "entrapment".

 

 

 

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Just now, GeekJump said:

If you are aware of my accolades, you should know I have won cases with less...>_>(y)

I never finished breaking bad so I wont watch that until I get around to BB...

Care to link to a biography or something? There are more than a few "Mike Ross" out there.

 

And there literally couldn't be less cut and dry non-entrapment cases. It physically wouldn't be possible. Just saying.

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1 minute ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

 I'm talking about the literal meaning of the word, as I said "or in literal terms "entrapment".

Which is what? " the illegal act of tricking someone into committing a crime so that the person you have tricked can be arrested "

 

They aren't tricking anyone into committing a crime. These are people that are actively looking for CP.

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Your quote is how the crime is declared, not the definition of the word.  Do you think authorities made up the word to describe a crime?

 

Entrap - To catch someone or something in or as in a trap

 

Thus entrapment would be the act of catching someone or something in or as in a trap.

 

Once the FBI takes over the site to catch users, it is exactly that, a trap.

 

Once the site is seized by the FBI, all child pornography should be promptly removed from the internet, not used by the FBI.

 

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5 minutes ago, thecreativename said:

If a police car drives at 100mph, to catch someone who was driving at 95mph in a 40mph zone, should the police officer be arrested and given a ticket to?

No, but that's also a different situation.

What the FBI did here is put up a trap and just wait until the criminals walk into it. In this case the trap is the CP website, and the criminals are the visitors.

If you want to make a similar comparison on the road. It would be a speed trap on the side of the road, waiting until someone speeds past it and gets caught that way.

 

When a cop is chasing a criminal, the criminal knows the cops are after him and he is refusing to cooperate. Which does cause the cop to commit a crime, but that's because they are actively chasing a criminal that they clearly already found at that point that's refusing to cooperate. And in your example the cop is forced to give chase and exceed the speed limit, if the cop wants to catch the criminal, exceeding the speed limit is the only option. With CP, that's not the case.

 

Also your comparison the cop would have to commit the same crime as the criminal, and with CP that would mean the cop has to create CP by abusing a child while the criminal is doing the same. Which would be weird and silly...

 

Also cops get lessons about how to be as safe as possible in such situations and everything is supervised and all those things. It's not an uncontrolled mess like the website.

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11 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Care to link to a biography or something? There are more than a few "Mike Ross" out there.

 

And there literally couldn't be less cut and dry non-entrapment cases. It physically wouldn't be possible. Just saying.

-___- the character should be the first thing in Google results. It was a joke! xD Mike Ross the main character of the law show, Suits? He plays a guy who works as a lawyer but isn't actually a lawyer! (not a spoiler since it's revealed 2 secs into ep1). The Saul Goodman guy got it

 

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4 minutes ago, GeekJump said:

-___- the character should be the first thing in Google results. It was a joke! xD Mike Ross the main character of the law show, Suits? He plays a guy who works as a lawyer but isn't actually a lawyer! (not a spoiler since it's revealed 2 secs into ep1). The Saul Goodman guy got it

 

He wins cases in some of the weirdest ways...

Well, there was two Linkedn profiles for a lawyer Mike Ross (legit ones at that).

 

Thanks for the troll though. I guess I didn't know enough to get it.

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2 hours ago, Stuff_ said:

Click bait title, once again. 

 

No this isn't wrong. It's essentially a honeypot. 

Plus this is old news.

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I do not think that the entrapment is wrong. but hosting it on there own the fbi servers should be considered wrong.

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I think they didn't do anything wrong, people will claim it's wrong, and, while it's a nasty subject, if the FBI hadn't done that, in the name of what's *right", then 1300 paedophiles would still be undetected, still hurting or planing to hurt innocent children.

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3 hours ago, samcool55 said:

Well i believe it is psychological too, but i don't see it as an issue.

It's what they prefer, and the world forces us to accept it's bad. Which it usually is.

I believe they should given something that satisfies people that want CP, but isn't CP. Like giving smokers an alternative that's harmless.

 

You have people that love boys, or girls, or old people, or children. It's just a preference, and that doesn't mean it's wrong. I believe it's the same stuff like being gay years and years ago... But that's what i think and CP is bad, but people that want it should get an alternative, that's all i want to say.

there is an alternative, it's called: "japan, doujins and loli"

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It might not be illegal but it's really creepy.

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2 hours ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

 

 

Your quote is how the crime is declared, not the definition of the word.  Do you think authorities made up the word to describe a crime?

 

Entrap - To catch someone or something in or as in a trap

 

Thus entrapment would be the act of catching someone or something in or as in a trap.

 

Once the FBI takes over the site to catch users, it is exactly that, a trap.

 

Once the site is seized by the FBI, all child pornography should be promptly removed from the internet, not used by the FBI.

 

I disagree with you on so many levels.

When the DEA discovers a huge drug dealer, generally they use him (if he agrees of course, usually for a better sentence) to capture other drug dealers, etc. 

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. You are getting rid of the criminals and bad people. They're going to get drugs, even if that drug dealer never snitched, etc.

 

Similarly, these people are going to get CP. This wasn't the only website on the entire internet that hosted CP.

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1 hour ago, Stuff_ said:

I disagree with you on so many levels.

When the DEA discovers a huge drug dealer, generally they use him (if he agrees of course, usually for a better sentence) to capture other drug dealers, etc. 

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. You are getting rid of the criminals and bad people. They're going to get drugs, even if that drug dealer never snitched, etc.

 

Similarly, these people are going to get CP. This wasn't the only website on the entire internet that hosted CP.

 

One level we do agree on is that people involved in CP should be prosecuted.  I would prefer the FBI prosecute as many people involved with CP as possible.  The problem that I have(not just in this situation) is that our government is slowly gaining momentum to the point where they can do whatever they want unchallenged.  Whether the government is doing something morally right or not, each time they get away with things like this they get closer and closer to being completely above the law.

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1 hour ago, Stuff_ said:

I disagree with you on so many levels.

When the DEA discovers a huge drug dealer, generally they use him (if he agrees of course, usually for a better sentence) to capture other drug dealers, etc. 

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. You are getting rid of the criminals and bad people. They're going to get drugs, even if that drug dealer never snitched, etc.

 

Similarly, these people are going to get CP. This wasn't the only website on the entire internet that hosted CP.

Also I honestly appreciate you "disagreeing".  You are part of a rare breed of people who disagree and give their opinion on why you disagree(which is civil).  Most people on here will just say "You're wrong",spout out their opinion as fact, and keep arguing regardless of whether they know they are right or wrong.

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They did it to catch pedos. If they didn't, 1,300 pedos wouldn't be identified and still lurking the internet to see more child porn, or potentially acting out physically.

 

I don't see what is wrong here.

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I hope they don't honeypot with drugs from Tor.

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8 hours ago, Minibois said:

It's a honeypot, so those 1300 pedophiles can be tracked (in theory and about 1300)

maybe more if they snitch other pedos out.

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