GPU Upgrade

[AccordingOne]

Budget (including currency): 500 €

Country: Netherlands 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: New AAA gaming, native 4k resolution preferred 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Case: Silentium PC Armis ar6

MOBO: MSI B650 Gaming plus Wifi

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3D

Ram: Lexar 32 GB 6000mhz CL 30

Cooler: Thermalright PA120 SE ARGB

PSU: Cooler master 850 w ATX 3.0

GPU: GTX 1080 8Gb

I'm looking for a new GPU for a friend of mine.

We just upgraded the rest of the pc.

 

His budget is 500 € however there might be some wiggle room. 

The budget allows for RTX 4060ti 16GB, however for his requirements he needs something like RTX 4070TI super. I wonder how much of an upgrade 4060 to 16gb is over 1080 and if it is more worth it to consider saving money for 4070 ti super. 

 

He's convinced to buy an RTX. We don't consider AMD alternative to be honest.

[bal723]

2 minutes ago, AccordingOne said:

Budget (including currency): 500 €

Country: Netherlands 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: New AAA gaming, native 4k resolution preferred 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Case: Silentium PC Armis ar6

MOBO: MSI B650 Gaming plus Wifi

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3D

Ram: Lexar 32 GB 6000mhz CL 30

Cooler: Thermalright PA120 SE ARGB

PSU: Cooler master 850 w ATX 3.0

GPU: GTX 1080 8Gb

I'm looking for a new GPU for a friend of mine.

We just upgraded the rest of the pc.

 

His budget is 500 € however there might be some wiggle room. 

The budget allows for RTX 4060ti 16GB, however for his requirements he needs something like RTX 4070TI super. I wonder how much of an upgrade 4060 to 16gb is over 1080 and if it is more worth it to consider saving money for 4070 ti super. 

 

He's convinced to buy an RTX. We don't consider AMD alternative to be honest.

why dont consider amd? i see point in buying amd as 40 series rtx are overpriced and have less vram compared to any radeon on their performance level and price point, i think rx 7700 xt would be a better choice than 4060 ti in that budget

[Millios]

5 minutes ago, AccordingOne said:

Budget (including currency): 500 €

Country: Netherlands 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: New AAA gaming, native 4k resolution preferred 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Case: Silentium PC Armis ar6

MOBO: MSI B650 Gaming plus Wifi

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3D

Ram: Lexar 32 GB 6000mhz CL 30

Cooler: Thermalright PA120 SE ARGB

PSU: Cooler master 850 w ATX 3.0

GPU: GTX 1080 8Gb

I'm looking for a new GPU for a friend of mine.

We just upgraded the rest of the pc.

 

His budget is 500 € however there might be some wiggle room. 

The budget allows for RTX 4060ti 16GB, however for his requirements he needs something like RTX 4070TI super. I wonder how much of an upgrade 4060 to 16gb is over 1080 and if it is more worth it to consider saving money for 4070 ti super. 

 

He's convinced to buy an RTX. We don't consider AMD alternative to be honest.

The 4060 ti 16gb is horribly priced. Either save up for a Ti super 4070 or go for a 4070 super to save a buck

[jaslion]

Spend a little more and get thr 7900gre.

 

The 4060(ti) are TERRIBLY priced cards. A 6700xt was like almkst 200€ less and beating that shitty 4060ti.

 

Dont bother with a 60 series card here over a 1080 not much of an upgrade.

 

Its why I recommend the 7900gre since its usually the better priced card. Bonus is that megekko has the whisper quiet (26db max) sapphire pulse available for a good price too (as well as amazon be ships to nl too btw no extra cost).

 

 

[Millios]

13 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Spend a little more and get thr 7900gre.

 

The 4060(ti) are TERRIBLY priced cards. A 6700xt was like almkst 200€ less and beating that shitty 4060ti.

 

Dont bother with a 60 series card here over a 1080 not much of an upgrade.

 

Its why I recommend the 7900gre since its usually the better priced card. Bonus is that megekko has the whisper quiet (26db max) sapphire pulse available for a good price too (as well as amazon be ships to nl too btw no extra cost).

 

 

Question about this. Im split between a 4070 super a gre and a 7800 xt nitro+ between all of these what are the main differences? cause i heard they are relative in price and performance

[podkall]

20 minutes ago, bal723 said:

why dont consider amd? i see point in buying amd as 40 series rtx are overpriced and have less vram compared to any radeon on their performance level and price point, i think rx 7700 xt would be a better choice than 4060 ti in that budget

not sure if 7700 XT is better alternative, it might be price/performance, but it's got 12GB of VRAM

 

26 minutes ago, AccordingOne said:

He's convinced to buy an RTX. We don't consider AMD alternative to be honest.

he's convinced to buy RTX because he wants some of it's features or just because it's green company's card?

 

for 50€ less, you can get RX 6800, which is reasonably priced for it's power,

 

or you can get 7800 XT for ~522€, which is even bigger caliber at raster performance, the AMDs may lack bit in RayTracing, but without it they shine if you put similarly priced cards together, this chart specifically compares relative performance, which is also in conversion also raster performance:

 

 

and if you're wondering about the RX 6750 XT that's 1% behind 4060Ti 8GB version? That's a 12GB GPU which costs 350€,

 

that GPU is 100€ cheaper and it matches 4060Ti in raster performance.

 

And this is exactly why, people say this:

19 minutes ago, jaslion said:

The 4060(ti) are TERRIBLY priced cards.

 

also, yeah the charts backup his followup:

 

19 minutes ago, jaslion said:

A 6700xt was like almkst 200€ less and beating that shitty 4060ti.

 

6700 XT also has 12GB of VRAM, if the 4060Ti 8GB version starts running slow because of VRAM limitation, it will technically be slower than 6700 XT

 

Also 4060Ti having 16GB only solves it's VRAM issues if the game ever demands it, it won't really make it much faster than it already is:

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4060-ti-16-gb.c4155

 

 

8 minutes ago, Millios said:

Question about this. Im split between a 4070 super a gre and a 7800 xt nitro+ between all of these what are the main differences? cause i heard they are relative in price and performance

They are quite relative:

 

Option comes if you need Nvidia, and if you need VRAM, because that 4070 Super is 12GB while AMD is 16GB on both cards.

 

They're relatively fast and relatively similarly priced, but Nvidia offers it's tech while AMD offers VRAM.

 

Also in some games the GRE might overshadow the 7800 XT, just because it has more cores overall, more shading units, more ROPs, more RT cores, more cache, more everything.

 

Also the AMD cards might handle graphically intensive games better, that utilize VRAM often, since their VRAM bus width is wider.

 

Comparatively the RTX 4070 Super has higher pixel rate while the AMD cards have higher texture rate.

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

[AccordingOne]

There are many reasons to buy green. Better driver support for Windows, dlss 3.0, Ray tracing performance, different codecs implementation for recording and streaming and many others. I'm especially considering dlss 3.0 and some reports of superior stability. 

 

His reason is mostly overall brand 

Reputation.

 

I'm currently using AMD CPU's and I like the brand, however there are some reason listed above to choose Nvidia.

 

But, I'm aware of performance difference

 

I wonder though if it's enough for 4k native ... For example 7900 or 7800xt ? It is in range of his budget and seems worth it. 

[ChrisLoudon]

2 minutes ago, AccordingOne said:

I wonder though if it's enough for 4k native

4K native really isn't a thing imho.

 

I have a 4090 and still use DLSS (quality) to keep things north of 120fps which is where my LG OLED maxes out. Obviously, there are plenty of games that I don't need to use DLSS to get 4K native but games like Horizon Forbidden West and Jedi Survivor are examples of a couple of games I've played recently and needed to use it to keep the frame rates where I want them.

 

Its really because of this that I would agree with going Team Green as DLSS is just better than FSR even if Nvidia aren't exactly the best value and don't have much in the 'budget' category.

 

If you're stuck at 60FPS them maybe not an issue though.

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, Millios said:

Question about this. Im split between a 4070 super a gre and a 7800 xt nitro+ between all of these what are the main differences? cause i heard they are relative in price and performance

The 7900gre is the fastest in rasterized performance. The 4070s and 7800xt match eachother in rasterize.

 

The 4070 has dlss and better rt available to it, however in general its not the greatest to use ray tracing and tends to be better left off for a much smoother framerate.

 

1 hour ago, podkall said:

They are quite relative:

 

Since its launch the gre has recieved a bit of a performance bump especially on non reference cards due to being less limited. So its now a bit better.

 

Considering the cheapest 7900gre is 581€ (powercolor fighter card) and a about 15% uplift now over a 7800xt for 60€ more give or take the version chosen id say it would be the prime deal.

 

I also prefer it having 16gb of vram since we are now at the point already that 10gb at 1080p high settings is no longer an exception (wack as hell if you ask me).

 

55 minutes ago, AccordingOne said:

I wonder though if it's enough for 4k native ... For example 7900 or 7800xt ? It is in range of his budget and seems worth it. 

4k native 60fps high? gre will do that it has the power and vram. 7800xt can also somewhat do it.

 

4070 s same thing but vram is an issue.

 

However 4k native high fps high settings? Yeah 4090 is the only option SOMETIMES it cant even do that in all games reach 100fps+.

 

As for with upscaling tech? Yeah all of thr xards listed will do 4k 60fps+ high settings. I only worry about thr vram on the 4070s since dlss DOES still take a nice chunk of that up. So longevity looking wise not the best option.

 

Also dlss is not available in all games. Neither is amds fsr 3.0 full support. However fsr 1.0 and framegen is and that is decoupled from just amd cards!

 

59 minutes ago, AccordingOne said:

Better driver support for Windows

This I will simply just state is no longer true. Having thr misfortune of solving mant a driver issue and building many a pc I'll say that both are equally shit these days! I do notice with nvidia that you have ninite or something running installing programs during the driver install that it tends to not like that at all :p. Which fair enough honestly.

 

 

 

[podkall]

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

I also prefer it having 16gb of vram since we are now at the point already that 10gb at 1080p high settings is no longer an exception (wack as hell if you ask me).

whack indeed,

 

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

However 4k native high fps high settings? Yeah 4090 is the only option SOMETIMES it cant even do that in all games reach 100fps+.

I wonder whose fault is it, are cards too slow, or are games just barely optimized since they can take the DLSS/FSR shortcut?

 

2 hours ago, AccordingOne said:

His reason is mostly overall brand 

Reputation.

2 hours ago, AccordingOne said:

Better driver support for Windows,

yeah those are varied things that depend on context, you see if game comes out unoptimized and crashes, the newbie that just got an AMD card after switching from Nvidia will complain online, meanwhile the guy that has Nvidia card and also gets crashes won't complain online,

 

there are situations where maybe AMD might be less stable with brand new games because of how new they are, and because the company isn't as ingrown with it's roots into everything like Nvidia is, there's a chance the games might run slightly worse until another driver update/fix fixes it, but that's for brand new games

 

AMD is great, people enjoy their products, you enjoy their CPUs, why would their GPUs be somehow significantly worse? especially the recent ones?

[jaslion]

1 hour ago, podkall said:

wonder whose fault is it, are cards too slow, or are games just barely optimized since they can take the DLSS/FSR shortcut?

All of the above!

 

The 4090 is a product stack obfuscation that the 3090 started.

 

Iptimization is now cheaper as dlss/fsr are hacks

 

Odly enough ryzen would also fall into lowering optimization standards since noe threads o plenty are a thing.

 

Only gonna optimize for the biggest available acceptable group.

 

When devs get the time/good management/luck you get some really fuckin well running games

[AccordingOne]

Ok, let's say we can afford 7900GRE. Which board partner offers the best performance, cooling, price to performance ratio? 

 

I've read a lot of comments about memory bandwidth being limiting factor here. Can we somehow solve it ? (Better model, OC, mod)