Anybody think AMD will make a CPU comeback that surpasses Intel?

[asiancorruption]

Just hope it does. Decent cpus cost a fortune in Canada. Would rather not have it go up.

[lkarej]

Nope,

even if amd passed intel, Intel would probbly pull some shit from behind its ass

pretty much this.

 

They're way ahead but just don't release anything because it's not to an economic advantage to release their best stuff

[AresKrieger]

Nope, intel has fab techniques that allow for near theoretical limitations, which are patented, unless amd pulls a rabbit out of a carbon nano tube hat I don't see them getting close to current intel chips, they may do well in the lower end market again but intel has a performance edge.

[RuLeZ]

I hope so, i7 920, a 8 year old CPU is still ok for gaming, its like Intel doesnt want to increase performance anymore.

[ZetZet]

Just hope it does. Decent cpus cost a fortune in Canada. Would rather not have it go up.

they cost the same as in US just in a different dollar. 

[crystal6tak]

everyone said ivy IPC, when did we move to haswell?

Over optimistic I guess. They'll just be in for a disappointment when Zen comes out.

[Arwanell]

I really hope they do. The CPU market needs some competition. 

exactlly

we share out thoughts

 

AMD separated CPU and GPU teams

let's hope that brings some good things

[LegacyStijncat]

Compete? Yes.

Surpass? Maybe.

Will Intel screw AMD's ass as soon as AMD flinches? Yes.

[ZetZet]

Will Intel screw AMD's ass as soon as AMD flinches? Yes.

"Uhm so yeah guys we are moving the consumer i3 to 4 core 8 thread, i5 to 6 core 12 thead and i7 to 8 core 16 thread, hope you are just excited as we are" 

[aisargatrif]

I hope so. The evolution in the cpu sector are minuscule. Like 10% per year.

We need some competition. An 8 year cpu can handle modern games like an actual cpu.

[ZetZet]

An 8 year cpu can handle modern games like an actual cpu.

really can't, cpu bottlenecking in gta 5 and witcher 3 is visible even with average gpu. 

[RuLeZ]

really can't, cpu bottlenecking in gta 5 and witcher 3 is visible even with average gpu. 

i7 920 OC can play GTA V and well

[theereal]

Surpasses? I doubt that. I expect Haswell performance though. Hopefully they realize what the consumer market wants and not fuck themselves In the ass like Nintendo does...

[ZetZet]

i7 920 OC can play GTA V and well

sure, but it's a top tier cpu from that era. 

[Dabombinable]

I'm sitting here with a Phenom II N970 from 2011 that gets flogged single threaded by a 2011 i5 540m and has multi threaded performance that is with margin of error. Then you have the FX line up which even after the release of the FX 83** revision was unable to get even close to Sandybridge in single threaded performance and in most multi threaded tasks only pulls slightly ahead of an i5 2500k. And since Zen is predicted to be close to Haswell in performance (and will probably be slower due to AMD's track record), no I personally don't think so-only the most deluded AMD fans will think that.

[RuLeZ]

sure, but it's a top tier cpu from that era. 

Still, 8 years its a really long time, IPC since Sandy Bridge increased just like 30%.

[ZetZet]

Still, 8 years its a really long time, IPC since Sandy Bridge increased just like 30%.

yes and AMD is below Sandy Bridge at the moment, if anything Intel is just trying not to get sued for monopoly or something.

[aisargatrif]

yes and AMD is below Sandy Bridge at the moment, if anything Intel is just trying not to get sued for monopoly or something.

Look at the cellphone's processor evolution. Like 30-40% performance increase per year. It's because the competition. Samsung, Qualcomm, Intel, mediatek, Nvidia...

[NuclearPeace]

yes and AMD is below Sandy Bridge at the moment, if anything Intel is just trying not to get sued for monopoly or something.

 

That's not it.

 

Look, guys. Off the shelf CPU sales is a tiny part of Intel's overall business. It's a drop in the bucket compared to pre-assembled desktops, mobile, servers, and datacenter chip sales. The reason why Intel stopped chasing higher performance is because for most of those aforementioned markets, it isn't really needed anymore. There's no reason to sink billions to achieve something that few people enjoy. Servers and datacenters crave energy efficiency because the lack of CPU performance can be made up for by more cores. Mobile platforms crave energy efficiency because a CPU that consumes less energy needs less cooling, which means that potentially laptop manufacturers can cut costs cooling setups. It also means that the battery will last longer. Most people's desktops are already powerful enough for their needs and they have no desire to upgrade.

 

Unless Zen is also far more power efficient than Skylake/Kabylake (fat chance), Intel wont care about how much Zen CPUs are.

[crystal6tak]

Look at the cellphone's processor evolution. Like 30-40% performance increase per year. It's because the competition. Samsung, Qualcomm, Intel, mediatek, Nvidia...

Exactly, Intel is pretty much completely holding back at this point. The moment AMD edges closer Intel will bitch slap it back in line. Look at the xeons series. 18 core Haswell (with a 22 core broadwell soon) chips at 185W.... (9590 220W). Recently releasing a 5.1 Ghz quad core xeon... I'm glad AMD is still even trying. But like a said a couple post back, Intel won't actually feel anything until maybe Zen's successor's successor. I half expect we have to wait until Zen's successor's successor's successor until we start seeing the crazy performance increase we see in GPU and ARM chips.

[NuclearPeace]

Look at the cellphone's processor evolution. Like 30-40% performance increase per year. It's because the competition. Samsung, Qualcomm, Intel, mediatek, Nvidia...

 

That's because many people would like for their phones to be faster. How many people are dissatisfied with their i3 whatever in their laptop or with their 2600k in their gaming computer?

[aisargatrif]

That's because many people would like for their phones to be faster. How many people are dissatisfied with their i3 whatever in their laptop or with their 2600k in their gaming computer?

We need a better evolution. I just prefer buy an i3 with the same performance as an actual i5, but with the price of an i3.

[Neemil]

With Zen I don't think AMD will be competing with Intel's Haswell-E chips but mainly with their more consumer orientated chips . I'm thinking they would want to grab hold of the market where the i5 currently is dominant.

[Prysin]

they will get to around 20% market share, then intel will swing their hammer down on them once again.

[arnavvr]

no, I expect Haswell performance.

 

But I also suspect that they will have more cores for a similar price point

 

They already have that...