(Rumour) AMD Zen CPUs to Release in Q4 2016 – APUs In 2017 - GPU performance around the PS4 And XBOX ONE level

[Curufinwe_wins]

Nano proved a concept - it has a lower power requirement than a 980 and performs better

What that underclocking big cores at a hard power target is more power efficient than overclocking small cores with a soft target???

 

Tell me something I didn't know.

 

Technically speaking however the 980 and Nano trade blows at the only resolution they are qualified to run at (No I don't find the 980 acceptable for AAA 1440p gaming haha). Plus they consume basically identical power (until you get to the better custom variants, which also out-preform the nano).

 

I mean don't get me wrong, the nano's power efficiency is great, and come dx12 I still believe GM204 is #WRECKED #DOA, but I bet you could set a 175W power target on the 980 ti and get essentially identical results (reference to reference).

 

Identical power consumption to the "vaunted maxwell arch" is pretty damn good, I just am looking forward to both of them getting off of 28nm and onto the same memory technology again.

[Bouzoo]

What crack are you on? The 750TI on stock clocks may lose, but the vast majority of them overclock to nearly 1.5x their stock clocks, and at that point they smoke everything up until the 270X.

 

I've yet to see a 1.5x stock OC.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750-15.html

 

To be fair, I didn't follow the 750Ti a lot, it's a boring card for me. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

IBM gets away with 250W TDP for 12 cores at 4.3GHz, and Intel's doing 72 at 1.3GHz for 250W TDP. I don't think AMD would suffer too much for 16 CPU @3GHz and 2048 GPU at 800MHz in a 400W package.

See but there is a HUGE difference between Intel throwing out a 250W TDP chip and AMD throwing out a 400W chip... Perception...

 

Still, it would be quite the beast.

 

How is that close? A 750 ti loses to a 7850/R7 265/R7 370. That's not close to a 7870/270.

Remember console gpu's are also under-clocked (and thermally limited in extended use)

[That Norwegian Guy]

I just hope the chipset and motherboard offerings are orders of magnitude better than previously. I wouldn't want to be caught dead with anything other than a Sabertooth R2 on AM3.

 

But still, even if the motherboards are ugly and lack major features I'll probably swallow it this time for Zen.

[SurvivorNVL]

I'll take an 8c/16t 4.5ghz stock processor for $500, Alex.

[Doobeedoo]

They just need to bring that Zen CPU IPC on pair.

[patrickjp93]

I just hope the chipset and motherboard offerings are orders of magnitude better than previously. I wouldn't want to be caught dead with anything other than a Sabertooth R2 on AM3.

 

But still, even if the motherboards are ugly and lack major features I'll probably swallow it this time for Zen.

You only get 22 PCIe lanes unless you buy a server chipset, no NVMe, and only one USB 3.1 port.

 

Also only 8 power phases, no custom OEM boards allowed. AMD knows how to build the perfect motherboard. You don't need anything more. 

[Prysin]

You only get 22 PCIe lanes unless you buy a server chipset, no NVMe, and only one USB 3.1 port.

 

Also only 8 power phases, no custom OEM boards allowed. AMD knows how to build the perfect motherboard. You don't need anything more. 

NVMe will be supported...

 

ASRock 970 Performance and ASRock 990FX Fata1ity already supports NVMe drives. Although NOT at Gen3 speeds (Gen2 x2? max)

 

my bet is AM4 will be like intels Skylake chipset... same number of lanes, if M.2 Gen3 is used, you lose 2 sata or disable a X4 PCIe port on the board/disable CF ability (although i bet AMD will have more lanes as ALL their boards have CF capabilities)..

 

8+2 phase min preferably 12+2 on the top end....

[patrickjp93]

NVMe will be supported...

 

ASRock 970 Performance and ASRock 990FX Fata1ity already supports NVMe drives. Although NOT at Gen3 speeds (Gen2 x2? max)

 

my bet is AM4 will be like intels Skylake chipset... same number of lanes, if M.2 Gen3 is used, you lose 2 sata or disable a X4 PCIe port on the board/disable CF ability (although i bet AMD will have more lanes as ALL their boards have CF capabilities)..

 

8+2 phase min preferably 12+2 on the top end....

2+0 power phases min, to accomodate those Puma+ CPUs 

[Prysin]

2+0 power phases min, to accomodate those Puma+ CPUs 

but if you give them 8+2 min, you can upgrade that puma to a cyber-tiger-with-lazors with all that power flowing....

[VagabondWraith]

I really hope AMD delivers. Great for their business and great for consumers. Besides, how can we have fanboy wars without competing products?

[Snadzies]

Another year of Zen rumors and speculation? Bleh.

[Dabombinable]

I just hope that there is a reason to buy Zen FX over Skylake other than it just being cheaper. Because that's all Maxtor did in their last days, and they ended up being bought out.

[captain cactus]

So we'll have AMD Zen CPUs, nVidia's Pascal and AMD's Arctic Islands with HBM2 and a die shrink, etc.

 

For 2016:

 

[lexarflash]

That's an NUC case factor build, size of a small-box. Tradeoff size vs. performance, 

[AlTech]

*Asks everybody:Who cares about APUs?*

 

nobody raises their hand except for @Prysin.

 

Me: Exactly, so why do we need APUs?

 

Just make dedicated CPUs + GPUs. Never have and never will buy an APU for anything.

[bogus]

*Asks everybody:Who cares about APUs?*

 

nobody raises their hand except for @Prysin.

 

Me: Exactly, so why do we need APUs?

 

Just make dedicated CPUs + GPUs. Never have and never will buy an APU for anything.

 

That makes no sense, just because a product doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean it's useless, or that there's no demand in the market - that's just having a very limited vision and you should rethink how you perceive this scenarios, else you'll may become one of "those guys".

 

APUs deliver what CPU+GPU combos can't, and vice versa. Period.

[JuztBe]

*Asks everybody:Who cares about APUs?*

 

nobody raises their hand except for @Prysin.

 

Me: Exactly, so why do we need APUs?

 

Just make dedicated CPUs + GPUs. Never have and never will buy an APU for anything.

i5 4570 is technically an APU

[Dabombinable]

i5 4570 is technically an APU

And APU was only coined by AMD because of their vain hopes for iGPU to be more important in the future for everyday computing....

[JuztBe]

And APU was only coined by AMD because of their vain hopes for iGPU to be more important in the future for everyday computing....

Yeah, only AMD calls their CPUs with iGPU an APU. But people are calling any CPU with iGPU an APU.

Unless aluminum meant that he wouldn't buy exactly AMD's CPUs with iGPU, witch would seem a little hypocrite.

[Prysin]

*Asks everybody:Who cares about APUs?*

 

nobody raises their hand except for @Prysin.

 

Me: Exactly, so why do we need APUs?

 

Just make dedicated CPUs + GPUs. Never have and never will buy an APU for anything.

every intel CPU is an APU...

 

APUs have a place, in the sub 350-400 USD market.

no matter how hard you try, anything in that category will be better off with a APU.

 

why?

because every attempt at beating the APU at price will cause you to buy shittier components for the rest of the system. Which means that no matter what, the system as a whole will be shit.

 

APUs make little sense outside of this price bracket...

 

i hope ZEN APUs can CF with ANY GPU AMD has to offer, because if it can, it can be used as a booster in the lower end systems (360/370 levels)

[Misanthrope]

Um yeah....APU performance on the level of the consoles is actually out now (but in short supply) in the form of the Iris pro 6200....a year and a half before this....

 

 

This is worrisome, AMD is literally doing fucking nothing different and still focusing on the motherfucking stupid APUs.

[patrickjp93]

Um yeah....APU performance on the level of the consoles is actually out now (but in short supply) in the form of the Iris pro 6200....a year and a half before this....

This is worrisome, AMD is literally doing fucking nothing different and still focusing on the motherfucking stupid APUs.

APUs are the future. Not just AMD, but Oracle, IBM, ARM, and Intel are in agreement about this too. AMD is not wrong to have that focus, though you could argue they're a half decade too early with the concept.

[Prysin]

APUs are the future. Not just AMD, but Oracle, IBM, ARM, and Intel are in agreement about this too. AMD is not wrong to have that focus, though you could argue they're a half decade too early with the concept.

APUs are the cheapest and most efficient way of having strong single core and exceptional parrallellism in one package... there is no getting around that fact

[Sauron]

Its just a rumour but at least something. If zen apus are on the xbone a ps4 level than this means that the apu concept is pretty much dead. Sorry amd. RIP.

 

wait, how exactly is that bad for integrated graphics performance? If you want r9 380 performance, you should just buy an r9 380... apus are for cheap and compact builds and should be able to run off of the stock cooler, not need an nh-d15 just to make sure they don't melt.