So Skylake i3 is the new budget gamer king? + mem speed.

[Mikjul]

I am highly considering a new ram kit of 2666+ for my rig as i run 2133 DDR4 for now.... Guys watch the vid all the way through... Some results are shocking... Ryse being in the limelight.

Plus FX is dead in the water here

[Lays]

IMHO people make really crappy arguments about RAM speeds not mattering, a lot of the time you can get faster speed at the same latency for almost no increase in price, and they say "it's only a few FPS, why bother?"

 

Well, if it's only a few FPS, and only costs 5$ extra, why not do it lol?

You can find 2600-3000 mhz ddr4 kits for pretty cheap nowadays and they usually even have the same CL as the crappy cheapo 2133 kits.

 

Idk maybe it's because I don't mind spending an extra $20 on RAM, but I have no problem spending those extra few bucks for better benchmark performance and a tiny increase in FPS, even if I don't notice the FPS increase.

[Bob Jim]

IMHO people make really crappy arguments about RAM speeds not mattering, a lot of the time you can get faster speed at the same latency for almost no increase in price, and they say "it's only a few FPS, why bother?"

 

Well, if it's only a few FPS, and only costs 5$ extra, why not do it lol?

You can find 2600-3000 mhz ddr4 kits for pretty cheap nowadays and they usually even have the same CL as the crappy cheapo 2133 kits.

 

Idk maybe it's because I don't mind spending an extra $20 on RAM, but I have no problem spending those extra few bucks for better benchmark performance and a tiny increase in FPS, even if I don't notice the FPS increase.

Would it be worth it for with my new 6600k build to jump from 14cl 2133 to 15cl 2666 for £3 then? Very conscious of money here, would plus 1 cl and plus a few Mhz balance out or what? Both are Kingston HyperX Fury Black sets.

[Majestic]

IMHO people make really crappy arguments about RAM speeds not mattering, a lot of the time you can get faster speed at the same latency for almost no increase in price, and they say "it's only a few FPS, why bother?"

 

Well, if it's only a few FPS, and only costs 5$ extra, why not do it lol?

 

Because it's not only "5$" more, you're pulling a strawman. Like he said in the video, higher than 2133mhz requires expensive motherboards. An i3 + expensive board + more expensive RAM is probably going to cost you the same as an i5 + budget board and budget ram.

[Raccatography]

Would it be worth it for with my new 6600k build to jump from 14cl 2133 to 15cl 2666 for £3 then? Very conscious of money here, would plus 1 cl and plus a few Mhz balance out or what? Both are Kingston HyperX Fury Black sets.

 

if you're very money conscious then I don't think you'll be asking that question. It seems like you have an extra £3 lying around and you're open to spending it on computer parts...

 

so why not? haha.

[Mikjul]

Would it be worth it for with my new 6600k build to jump from 14cl 2133 to 15cl 2666 for £3 then? Very conscious of money here, would plus 1 cl and plus a few Mhz balance out or what? Both are Kingston HyperX Fury Black sets.

Grab 2666.

It makes a difference across all Skylake chips.

Google i3 6100 vs core i5 6600k vs core i7.... It's another DF bench.

[RevoltTrain]

Seems interesting, I'm still going with an i5 or i7 when I build my new system, if I do a new system, I don't want the least powerful option

[Lays]

Would it be worth it for with my new 6600k build to jump from 14cl 2133 to 15cl 2666 for £3 then? Very conscious of money here, would plus 1 cl and plus a few Mhz balance out or what? Both are Kingston HyperX Fury Black sets.

 

 

It's £3 lol, of course.

[Majestic]

Well, if it's only a few FPS, and only costs 5$ extra, why not do it lol?

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($125.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($22.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($162.89 @ OutletPC) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($62.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $374.76

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-27 06:56 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($215.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($22.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI B150 PC Mate ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($82.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($56.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $378.86

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-27 06:59 EDT-0400

 

That's why.

[Mikjul]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($125.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($22.89 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($162.89 @ OutletPC) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($62.99 @ Newegg) Total: $374.76Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-27 06:56 EDT-0400 PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($215.99 @ SuperBiiz) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($22.89 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: MSI B150 PC Mate ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($82.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($56.99 @ Newegg) Total: $378.86Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-27 06:59 EDT-0400 That's why.

I doubt every budget board cannot run 2666 memory... Plus you own a GTX 960... It's like eating your dads cheese without asking yet you told him not to touch your pickled girkins.

[Majestic]

I doubt every budget board cannot run 2666 memory... Plus you own a GTX 960... It's like eating your dads cheese without asking yet you told him not to touch your pickled girkins.

 

Check the detailed pages of all B150/H170 boards. they all stop at 2133. Which coincides with the spoken bit of the video, where they said they had to use more expensive boards. 

 

What the fuck does my GTX 960 have to do with this argument. That's the weakest attempt at an adhominem i've seen this month.

[Lays]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($125.99 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($22.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($162.89 @ OutletPC) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($62.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $374.76

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-27 06:56 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($215.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($22.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI B150 PC Mate ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($82.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($56.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $378.86

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-27 06:59 EDT-0400

 

That's why.

 

 

I was ONLY talking about RAM, not an i3 + fast RAM, just RAM in general.

[Majestic]

I was ONLY talking about RAM, not an i3 + fast RAM, just RAM in general.

 

Well yeah, ok. But in this case that comes with it.

 

Also, don't quote such large comments (or at the very least cut the info).

[Lays]

Well yeah, ok. But in this case that comes with it.

 

Also, don't quote such large comments (or at the very least cut the info).

 

 

I DO WHAT I WANT!!!!!1   :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

[Mikjul]

Check the detailed pages of all B150/H170 boards. they all stop at 2133. Which coincides with the spoken bit of the video, where they said they had to use more expensive boards. 

 

What the fuck does my GTX 960 have to do with this argument. That's the weakest attempt at an adhominem i've seen this month.

OC... Ya know?

And you chose a matchstick vs a lighter.

GTX 960 = match

R9 380 = lighter

Thecmatch is inferior to the lighter... But both do the same thing... The lighter will also last longer.

Concentrate next time instead of throwing things around.

[Majestic]

I DO WHAT I WANT!!!!!1   :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

 

Ok, Eric Cartman

[Majestic]

OC... Ya know? 

And you chose a matchstick vs a lighter.

GTX 960 = match

R9 380 = lighter

Thecmatch is inferior to the lighter... But both do the same thing... The lighter will also last longer.

Concentrate next time instead of throwing things around.

 

OC on locked boards? Haven't you heard Intel wasn't pleased with board manuf. last time around and pulled on the reins this time?

 

I still don't see what my GPU has to do with an argument about CPU, Motherboard and RAM speeds. You're just grasping at straws here.

[Mikjul]

OC on locked boards? Haven't you heard Intel wasn't pleased with board manuf. last time around and pulled on the reins this time?

 

I still don't see what my GPU has to do with an argument about CPU, Motherboard and RAM speeds. You're just grasping at straws here.

Z170 exists too?????

This is not Haswell... We have a fully functioning BCLK LOL!

[Lays]

Z170 exists too?????

This is not Haswell... We have a fully functioning BCLK LOL!

 

 

Not on i3's unfortunately  They are topping out at around 103 bclk.    What makes me mad is apparently people were getting ES skylake i3's that had unlocked BCLK, but the retail versions are locked q_q

[Mikjul]

Not on i3's unfortunately  They are topping out at around 103 bclk.    What makes me mad is apparently people were getting ES skylake i3's that had unlocked BCLK, but the retail versions are locked q_q

What the fuck did i just read?!

Me = sad panda.

So yeah ok i3' really are board bound.. Fuck you intel you cash in bastards!

[Majestic]

Z170 exists too?????

This is not Haswell... We have a fully functioning BCLK LOL!

 

Less time snarking, more time reading. What @Lays said. 

 

Running 2666 memory on skylake will require a Z170 board. So take that benchmark for what it is, an interesting set of data. But nothing worth considering when building.

I'm not sure how this related to the i5-6600K with faster memory. Maybe there is something that can be said for that platform. 

 

But I think most people buying an overclockable platform go for faster memory already, so there's nothing new there.

 

And yeah, Intel is really being greedy. Also locking E3 Xeons away from consumer boards, unlike the 1231.

[Mikjul]

Less time snarking, more time reading. What @Lays said. 

 

Running 2666 memory on skylake will require a Z170 board. So take that benchmark for what it is, an interesting set of data. But nothing worth considering when building.

I'm not sure how this related to the i5-6600K with faster memory. Maybe there is something that can be said for that platform. 

 

But I think most people buying an overclockable platform go for faster memory already, so there's nothing new there.

Calm down.

And i stand corrected... Not happy with intel at all on this choice.

Imagine an overcloxkable i3... Damnit.

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

I am highly considering a new ram kit of 2666+ for my rig as i run 2133 DDR4 for now.... Guys watch the vid all the way through... Some results are shocking... Ryse being in the limelight.

Plus FX is dead in the water here

Does Linus need to update his old video about video memory not mattering in games? @LinusTech @Slick

[Prysin]

 

 

I am highly considering a new ram kit of 2666+ for my rig as i run 2133 DDR4 for now.... Guys watch the vid all the way through... Some results are shocking... Ryse being in the limelight.

 

Plus FX is dead in the water here

FX isnt really dead.. he just didnt look very hard for a board for it.
There are low end boards with support for 2133MHz RAM... like i said, he didnt really look for them. Or didnt look in the right places.

 

FX still beats out or matches the 4130... and the 6100 is on average 5-7 FPS faster....

 

Again, BOTH the i3 4130 and i3 6100 is more expensive. In particular, the 6100 is "more so" because atm, the cheapest B150 mobo is 63 USD... yes there is a couple of H110 boards. But feature wise they are so shit compared to the 13 USD more expensive B150 board that they aint even worth picking up.. Even in a budget setting.

 

Also, cheap and fast DDR3 with great latency = cheaper then DDR4 with high speed and medium latency.
2400MHz CL10/11 DDR3 will wreck any CL13-15 2400MHz DDR4 kit both in price and performance.

 

also, FX is unlocked.

 

Also, a i5 4460 + cheap B85 board is slightly more expensive then the Skylake i3 + B150 board, but an order of magnitude faster.

 

FX board able to handle 2133MHz RAM:

 

MSI 970A - > 53 USD
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag43

 

Biostar TA970 -> 61 USD... i know, Biostar. But according to this thread: www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database
It will handle even mild OC. Also VRM has heatsinks, so i have faith that it will handle a 6300....
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/biostar-motherboard-ta970

 

FX baord able to handle 2000 MHz RAM: (prolly 2133 also, if you add a tiny bit voltage to the SB
Gigabyte 970A UD3P -> 77 USD one of hte best budget OC boards for FX. This can handle a OCd 8350
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-ga970aud3p

 

yeah, they are not cheap.. but sub 50 USD boards, even on the intel side, is abysmally bad. SO its better to spend a little, then just cheap out and buy some shit that "works"...
Just because it works doesnt mean it works well or has any future expandability.

 

as for RAM:

 

CL9 2133 DDR3 40 bucks
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f317000cl9d8gbxm

 

CL15 2133 DDR4 45 bucks...
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-ct2k4g4dfs8213

 

DDR3 even has heatsink...
CL9 will wreck a CL15 stick in performance any day... i know DDR4 has improvements in other internal latencies that are NOT listed. But even then, CL9 is too low latency for that to matter...
CL15 DDR4 is around CL12-13 DDR3 in terms of improvements in latency... So stick with DDR3 for absolute performance on the lower end...

 

 

Does Linus need to update his old video about video memory not mattering in games? @LinusTech @Slick

yes, because at the time of making that video, the price difference between 1866 and 2133/2400 made it a "actual investment" to get 2133/2400...

 

Now, the cheapest 2x4GB 1866 kit is 36 bucks, while the cheapest 2400 kit is 46 bucks...
the sad fact is that BOTH the cheapest 1866 and 2400 kits are CL10... so the 2400 will be way way faster no matter what. Even latency "improvements" will help the 1866 kit...

 

As for mobo support. Yes, you generally need to shell out a little bit more to get a mobo that supports higher RAM speeds. But like i showed with the FX boards above. no, it is NOT a huge amount. It is pretty similar for intel. Pay 75 bucks for a intel board and you get quite a "board" really...

 

Although, the "REAL" joker here is AM3+....
If you can get ahold of a ASRock 970 Performance/ASRock Fatal1ty 970 Performance (some places use different names for the board. its the same baord)... then you got a damn good board... its been in and out of stock selling for between 71 and 95 bucks...
Supports 2400MHz RAM, 64GB memory and has a M.2 slot (PCIe Gen2... so max 1500 read speeds and 900 write speeds)...

[NumLock21]

Only Z170 board supports higher clock ram, rest tops out at 2133MHz.