PS4/X1 with a more powerful GPU

[SoloDolo]

Currently the PS4 has the equivalent of a  modified 7870, I believe, and the X1 is sitting at an 7850. Both medium tier cards in 2012. Say the PS4 was to have launched with the latest and most powerful GPU at the time a GTX 780. How much do you think it would have costed? Do you think if the consoles launched with that powerful of a GPU they would not get as much hate? 

[007agentHP]

there will always be hate on console vs console

doesnt matter if the xbox one came with a gt 210 and the ps4 titan x 4 way sli, people would still fight over them

[don_svetlio]

PS4 has a 7850, Xbone has a 7790

A more powerful GPU would have required more cooling making the console bulky and impractical.

[PlayStation 2]

The PS4 has a more powerful 7850 and the XOne has a literal 7790 DDR3 in it.

If it had something like an R9 290, the consoles would be about $250 more.

[TheRandomness]

It would've costed much more...

[Opeth747]

If it came with a GTX 780 it would have cost FAR more. People would be pissed. And your average console players would stick to last generation. 

Doesn't matter if PC gamers want to admit it or not, a PC you can get for about the same price isn't THAT much better than the consoles. They are better, but not by much. (cheaper games, slightly better performance) 

[QueenDemetria]

Currently the PS4 has the equivalent of a  modified 7870, I believe, and the X1 is sitting at an 7850. Both medium tier cards in 2012. Say the PS4 was to have launched with the latest and most powerful GPU at the time a GTX 780. How much do you think it would have costed? Do you think if the consoles launched with that powerful of a GPU they would not get as much hate? 

Probably around $700(USD) on release day, if I remember right that's how much the PS3 cost at launch. The hate would have been delayed. With the PS3/360 they were great for years, then they became stagnant. The current gens were just "meh" at launch. I fully don't expect the current gens to last 7 years like the PS3/360(and if they do then ugh).

[PlayStation 2]

Probably around $700(USD) on release day, if I remember right that's how much the PS3 cost at launch.

That had like a 7900 GT in it? Or something heavily based on it?

[don_svetlio]

That had like a 7900 GT in it? Or something heavily based on it?

PS3 and Xbone 360 used entirely custom chips, neither AMD nor Nvidia or Intel.

[SoloDolo]

The PS4 has a more powerful 7850 and the XOne has a literal 7790 DDR3 in it.

If it had something like an R9 290, the consoles would be about $250 more.

 

 

Ahh ok. Appreciate it! Man so they are weaker than I actually thought. I agree the consoles would have cost far more money. However, I wonder if they could have made a deal with AMD to reduce costs and take a loss on hardware. Last Gen the X360 and PS3 where top dogs and on par with top tier PCs when the launched. But they did take loses on hardware. 

[PlayStation 2]

PS3 and Xbone 360 used entirely custom chips, neither AMD nor Nvidia or Intel.

I know, but from what I remember, the PS3's RSX chip was based off of something from around there.

The 360 did use entirely custom CPUs and GPUs though, I know that.

[PlayStation 2]

Ahh ok. Appreciate it! Man so they are weaker than I actually thought. I agree the consoles would have cost far more money. However, I wonder if they could have made a deal with AMD to reduce costs and take a loss on hardware. Last Gen the X360 and PS3 where top dogs and on par with top tier PCs. But they did take loses on hardware. 

If I remember correctly, Microsoft is taking a >$10 hit on each XOne sold.

 

When the 360 came out, I don't think they took any hit and the PS3 was sold at like a $200 hit, which, is really detrimental if production costs aren't cut fast, which happened with the PS3.

[SoloDolo]

I know, but from what I remember, the PS3's RSX chip was based off of something from around there.

The 360 did use entirely custom CPUs and GPUs though, I know that.

 

Yeah, the RSX chip was co-developed by Nvidia and Sony. I remember reading articles in 2005 with Nvidia stating it was gonna change the console gaming market forever. 

[PlayStation 2]

Yeah, the RSX chip was co-developed by Nvidia and Sony. I remember reading articles in 2005 with Nvidia stating it was gonna change the console gaming market forever. 

Instead, it changed Sony's pockets forever. :^)

[DarkBlade2117]

If it came with a GTX 780 it would have cost FAR more. People would be pissed. And your average console players would stick to last generation. 

Doesn't matter if PC gamers want to admit it or not, a PC you can get for about the same price isn't THAT much better than the consoles. They are better, but not by much. (cheaper games, slightly better performance)

As they are not much better they do offer WAY cheaper games. I paid like $30 for Shadow of Mordor, H1Z1, and Civilization 5 Complete Edition all,together. As much as console gamers do not want to admit, in the long run you save money on PC by not soending $60-$80 on all these new games. Also more vsriety, the ability to upgrade, and plenty more reasons why PC is better. No idea how current consoles are goong to make it. While they are playing at 900p or whatever at 30-60FPS your average gamer in 5 years will be playing 1080p 144hz or 1440p 60hz and the big dogs who now use 1080px3 will have 1440p-2160p triple monitor.

[QueenDemetria]

That had like a 7900 GT in it? Or something heavily based on it?

They had the equivalent power of that card(note that was at launch, throughout the years the chips in the PS3/360 became more powerful since devs learned how to optimize for them). This is why I think the current gen consoles are shit in terms of hardware value. The previous gens you couldn't build a PC as powerful as the PS3/360 for anywhere near the same price(and that's being generous with the $700-900 launch prices). Now my outdated Athlon and 7770 match the current gen consoles, and my hardware is very "meh".

[Prysin]

if the PS4 came with a 780... take the MSRP of the 780 at the time f PS4s launch.

 

drop it by 50%-60% in price.

 

drop the PS4 price by like 30%, then add the price of the 780 minus the 50-60%...

 

my guess, you would be looking at 700-750 bucks...

 

remember though, the PS4 features 2x Athlon 5350 downclocked to 1.6GHz + a ARM Cortex something CPU for the operating system alone.

[App4that]

It doesn't matter what hardware you put in a console, what makes it a console and not a pre built is that you can't use your software. You have to use the manufacturers software, even their online service. So it's never a value to buy a console.

[SoloDolo]

They had the equivalent power of that card(note that was at launch, throughout the years the chips in the PS3/360 became more powerful since devs learned how to optimize for them). This is why I think the current gen consoles are shit in terms of hardware value. The previous gens you couldn't build a PC as powerful as the PS3/360 for anywhere near the same price(and that's being generous with the $700-900 launch prices). Now my outdated Athlon and 7770 match the current gen consoles, and my hardware is very "meh".

 

 

That is where I have been with these new systems in terms of "value". I mean sure they are a cheaper initial entry point into gaming but with the cost of games for the systems it adds back up quick. I have very few friends left who haven't hopped on PC these days. Those still on the PS4 and X1 as there primary systems dont have the fiances to afford any more at the time. Most who have made the change love it and cant ever go back. 

 

@Dan Castellaneta 

 

Lol yeah it did indeed. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

If I remember correctly, Microsoft is taking a >$10 hit on each XOne sold.

 

When the 360 came out, I don't think they took any hit and the PS3 was sold at like a $200 hit, which, is really detrimental if production costs aren't cut fast, which happened with the PS3.

 

Microsoft took an estimated $126 dollar hit just on hardware per 360 sold at launch. I figured it would have been more considering how awesome it was then.

 

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-taking-126-hit-per-xbox-360/1100-6140383/

[7850OC]

XB1 = 0768 sp

PS4 = 1152 sp

 

7790 = 0896 sp

7850 = 1024 sp

 

R7 370 = 0768 sp

R9 380 = 1792 sp (she is a beast) 

[7850OC]

1) Currently the PS4 has the equivalent of a  modified 7870,

2) I believe, and the X1 is sitting at an 7850. Both medium tier cards in 2012. 

3) Say the PS4 was to have launched with the latest and most powerful GPU at the time a GTX 780. 

 

4) How much do you think it would have costed?

5) Do you think if the consoles launched with that powerful of a GPU they would not get as much hate? 

and welcome to the forum 

 

1) close, but let say "yes"

2) nop, is more like a R7 370 (i think)

 

3) no need for that (to tell the truth), she (the PS4) already can move all AAA games

    and "multiplayer AAA games" awesomely well  B)

 

i test it (the PS4), and she rocks, she beat my own gamer PC on fun (by far)

but i still hate controllers and i prefer use keyboards, so i am on the PC master race side

but yeah... PS4 is the winner here 

 

4) to much  :blush:

5) oh yes, much less hate (to the XB1 lol)