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Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking call for ban on autonomous military robots

Lord Sparklebottom

I don't know why it's named that, but it is, sooooo yeah.

So joint is supposed to be the correct term/word but you don't know why ?

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So joint is supposed to be the correct term/word but you don't know why ?

If you Google search for International Join Conference on Artificial Intelligence it corrects you to joint and I couldn't find anything about a Join Conference

Yeah, right guys? Guys?

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So joint is supposed to be the correct term/word but you don't know why ?

 

It is Joint as in groups working together.  Like a Joint task force, usually in reference to different military or government organizations working together. 

 

Edit: Also applies to civilian organizations and companies just as easily.

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Pfft, even if they do agree, governments are still going to research this in secret. Think about what DARPA is already doing behind us. 

 

This is what so many people don't seem to understand.  By all means, regulate the methods used.  But you can't ban research into improving technologies.  Not because of any moral or ethical reasons, but because if it will benefit someone, then someone will do it anyways.  If you ban research on something, that just means they take it into hiding and suddenly there are no ethics groups to regulate it.  Human cloning banned? Oh, just do it secretly without any restrictions in some country where they won't care; cause if you get caught it was already "illegal".

 

If you tell the military they can't research better weapons, they will just research them in secret.  And you won't find out about them until something goes wrong and they can't hide it, or they need to use it to defeat and enemy.  Example being nukes.

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I mean, I can see for people not wanting it to happen, but it's inevitable. Not just cause of technological advancement but in many ways of being cheaper solution, efficient, no casualties from that point of view and simply for better warfare purpose and intimidation.

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Ehhh computers are only as smart as the person who programmed it. I say strap nukes to them do what they want, right now. As of in 50 years Burnie Burns said it the best. There will be a great divide and AI will not be to found of people calling them stupid computer and AI racism will begin. Leading to a war. So yeah computer they are all great

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I mean, I can see for people not wanting it to happen, but it's inevitable. Not just cause of technological advancement but in many ways of being cheaper solution, efficient, no casualties from that point of view and simply for better warfare purpose and intimidation.

Now if battle itself is strictly determined by the robot casualties it causes rather than human casualties (Literally the humans are outside out battle all the same) in order to settle our conflicts, I can accept that. I would accept an NGNL mentality (an anime if you don't know the reference) but not using robots to inflict human casualties.

 

Imagine the robot battles you see on TV but with diplomatic relations on the line.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, this might only work if we obey the rules regarding my proposition.

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Ehhh computers are only as smart as the person who programmed it. I say strap nukes to them do what they want, right now. As of in 50 years Burnie Burns said it the best. There will be a great divide and AI will not be to found of people calling them stupid computer and AI racism will begin. Leading to a war. So yeah computer they are all great

Go watch A.I. by Spielberg. I recommend ;)

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Is it awkward that I thought Stephen Hawking was Stephen King?

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Go watch A.I. by Spielberg. I recommend ;)

Seen it great movie. As long as AI don't have feelings or a conscious we should be fine other then glitches 

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And they should also call on all world governments for full transparency so that they don't do this in secret.

 

The UK isn't even trying to hide the fact we want to develop these systems (or at least not trying very hard). There was a UN debate earlier this year about adding "lethal autonomous weapons systems" (LAWS) to the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons treaty. And the UK just straight up opposed it. Seems like it's going to be an uphill battle getting these systems banned, let alone stop them from being developed. Despite the fact the Foreign office says they aren't being developed, if they aren't intending to develop these systems, then why oppose the ban? There was also a quote from a high level military official (that I can't find) that detailed quite clearly how he could see the advantages of autonomous systems playing out in the future.

 

The Foreign Office told the Guardian: “At present, we do not see the need for a prohibition on the use of Laws, as international humanitarian law already provides sufficient regulation for this area.

“The United Kingdom is not developing lethal autonomous weapons systems, and the operation of weapons systems by the UK armed forces will always be under human oversight and control. As an indication of our commitment to this, we are focusing development efforts on remotely piloted systems rather than highly automated systems.”

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This seems like it came straight out of a movie. I never thought I would live to see the day where someone one Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk warn us against AIs and call for a ban.

 

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Not to be King Douchebag, but I see this as a dead giveaway as to why this "we can defend against the tyrannical government with our guns" argument certain people have been screaming, is completely invalid.

 

Sure, you may have guns with you, and even the entire army on your side (if you are lucky), but if and when the government turns on you, you are still as good as dead. The US Government already have a massive array of combat drones sitting there in idle, and it does not need any help from the army; it can be remote controlled by government officials and federal politicians.

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This seems like it came straight out of a movie. I never thought I would live to see the day where someone one Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk warn us against AIs and call for a ban.

 

Wow.

It's a ban for AI with guns, but still, scary stuff. Or cool, depends on what happens when it comes to being careful about it 

Yeah, right guys? Guys?

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Not to be King Douchebag, but I see this as a dead giveaway as to why this "we can defend against the tyrannical government with our guns" argument certain people have been screaming, is completely invalid.

 

That's been invalid ever since Governments obtained the ability to manipulate and mould public opinion. Not to mention since Armies have become technologically advanced. I think it's been many decades since an established Western Power could seriously be threatened by it's own population, without significant outside interference.

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this sounds like one of the things you get in civ5 that never gets approved (unless you got spies everywhere)

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Screw that...

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Who the fuck would want this shit? They save lives...

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Im not sure i object. if it means we have less soldiers on the ground...i could live with that...possibly

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Anything, including current drones, where the operator is removed from the theatre, should be banned. Whether it's AI or remote control.

 

It should be the bare minimum human dignity in war to be able to kill anyone who are able to kill you.

 

 

Who the fuck would want this shit? They save lives...

 
They also lower the threshold for war. And give one side the option to play god remotely against a probably defenseless foe.

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An incredibly sensible view on the topic but some very clever people.

Unfortunately its also very idealistic, they banned Iran from having a nuclear program yet Iran now has nuclear power. Its a very unfortunate situation but if we don't develop them first and get an edge it will only be a matter of time before suicide bombers are replaced by droid murderers and Israel and Palestine are launching autonomous weapons at each other and us. Not to mention China and North Korea.

We kind of have to invest time and money in autonomous weapons otherwise we become victims of a race we never entered.

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Ehhh computers are only as smart as the person who programmed it. I say strap nukes to them do what they want, right now. As of in 50 years Burnie Burns said it the best. There will be a great divide and AI will not be to found of people calling them stupid computer and AI racism will begin. Leading to a war. So yeah computer they are all great

 

What if they create an AI that automatically updates himself based on his surroundings , history , countries , religion , races .. ect.

 

I really don't like where this is going , who knows they might as well decide that we are danger to the planet and wipe us out.

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Asimov would be proud.

 

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Asimov would be proud.

 

  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws

 

We ALL know where the three laws of robotics lead.

 

 

Revolution.

Ketchup is better than mustard.

GUI is better than Command Line Interface.

Dubs are better than subs

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We ALL know where the three laws of robotics lead.

 

 

Revolution.

 

I was wondering when you'd show up with the tinfoil hats :)

Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down. - Adam Savage

 

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Sapphire Acer Aspire 1410 Celeron 743 | 3Gb DDR2-667 | 120Gb HDD | Windows 10 Home x32

Vault Tec Celeron 420 | 2Gb DDR2-667 | Storage pending | Open Media Vault

gh0st Asus K50IJ T3100 | 2Gb DDR2-667 | 40Gb HDD | Ubuntu 17.04

Diskord Apple MacBook A1181 Mid-2007 Core2Duo T7400 @2.16GHz | 4Gb DDR2-667 | 120Gb HDD | Windows 10 Pro x32

Firebird//Phoeniix FX-4320 | Gigabyte 990X-Gaming SLI | Asus GTS 450 | 16Gb DDR3-1600 | 2x Intel 535 250Gb | 4x 10Tb Western Digital Red | 600W Segotep custom refurb unit | Windows 10 Pro x64 // offisite backup and dad's PC

 

Saint Olms Apple iPhone 6 16Gb Gold

Archon Microsoft Lumia 640 LTE

Gulliver Nokia Lumia 1320

Werkfern Nokia Lumia 520

Hydromancer Acer Liquid Z220

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