AMD has 'priority access' to HBM2, Hoping to expand HBM GPU lineups

[Deletive]

 

Our sources have told us that AMD management has thrown significant weight behind this new range of graphics chips to accelerate its development and time to market. This is we’re told is to take advantage of a deal established with SK Hynix which gives AMD priority to HBM2 capacity which is going to be in limited supply initially. Capturing as much of the initial production capacity as possible would give AMD an edge against its main rival, Nvidia, going into the next generation of GPUs featuring second generation HBM technology. Which is exactly what the company is gunning for.

It's not surprising how AMD would get priority access to HBM2 before NVidia does because they were working on it with SK Hynix for awhile. This might have a big effect on NVidia's Pascal depending on the demand of AMD's GPU's.
 

"The range will span top to bottom solutions featuring SK Hynix’s stacked high bandwidth memory, HBM for short. This new lineup will also serve as the vehicle by which AMD will introduce this new memory technology to the mobile segment with the company’s first ever set of HBM GPUs designed for notebooks."

Bringing HBM to mobile GPU's would be a really nice play by AMD to help them gain some ground in the mobile sector which they are extremely lacking on. Hopefully making them a bigger competitor in that sector.

sources: 

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/46420/amd-priority-access-hbm2-advantage-over-nvidia/index.html
http://wccftech.com/amd-working-entire-range-hbm-gpus-follow-fiji-fury-lineup/

[Sam Z Man]

Wafers always look so pretty.

And yea go AMD, please take all the HBM and force nvidia to use GDDR5.

[Str_Mape]

I'm quite interested in HBM saving space on laptops because of the obscene amount of vRAM that mobile GPU's always seem to have.

[Unlikelyjoker]

Wafers always look so pretty.

And yea go AMD, please take all the HBM and force nvidia to use GDDR5.

This won't happen but if it did....

Well i would laugh for days

[CostcoSamples]

Very cool!  2016 is going to be an exciting year for GPUs!

[Sam Z Man]

This won't happen but if it did....

Well i would laugh for days

"Don't let your dreams be dreams... JUST DO IT"

-shia labeouf

[Delusional Phil]

I wonder what nVIDIA feels about this after saying they will release Pascal with HBM2 memory ... 

 

 

"Don't key your dreams be dreams... JUST DO IT"
-shia labeouf

 

[Agent181]

I wonder what nVIDIA feels about this after saying they will release Pascal with HBM2 memory ... 

 

delay?

[Delusional Phil]

delay?

If that happens we will actually see a turn of tables ( Usually it was nVIDIA release first , AMD second ) 

[Agent181]

If that happens we will actually see a turn of tables ( Usually it was nVIDIA release first , AMD second ) 

this might be really interesting since pascal was supposedly was going to reduce more power consumption too but it might stay the same

[Dietrichw]

I am hoping they will start using HBM with APUs. The benchmarks of the new Intel chips with L4 cache shows faster memory is the key to improving integrated graphics.

I wonder how 128MB of L4 cache does against a 1GB stack of HBM. I would think L4 cache would be faster but HBM has more capacity while still being pretty fast

[Unlikelyjoker]

"Don't key your dreams be dreams... JUST DO IT"

-shia labeouf

How does one key?

[Mehsaurus]

Must.Have.HBM.GPU. *starts drooling*

[CommandMan7]

Summary of AMD's memory tactics:

[Sam Z Man]

How does one key?

Use Android swipe typing and you will find out quickly.

[Paranoid Kami]

Would be pretty funny if they "accelerated" it to the end of this year  :lol:

[Spoonfull]

Is it safe to say Nvidia just got BTFO?

 

Nvidia just got BTFO.

 

Expect AMD cards to come out first, and if people get into that 4k-must-have frenzy..then AMD might, just might, make a comeback in the GPU market specifically.

 

This is going to get interesting, but no company should be kept from accessing new industry standard technology. Imagine if AMD CPUs were kept from developing support for DDR4. That would be absurd and would only set PC gaming, and consumer computers in general, back.

 

Greenland is gonna be sexy. Pascal? Never heard of him.

[Notional]

Wow, called that pretty hard.

 

It would not surprise me to see HBM be standard in all of AMD's mid to high end GPU's and APU's next year already. Even with the news of SK Hynix ramping up production, AMD is still their only customer of this particular ram technology so far.

 

I wonder what nvidia will do though. TSMC might not be ready with 16nm FF+ for a mid 2016 launch of Pascal, and now HBM 2 will probably not be accessable for them either. We might see ½-1 year delay as things stands right now.

 

Greenland of course will get HBM2 and probaby in an 8GB configuration. Whether Global Foundries will be ready with a high performance 14nm FF node by then is really the only interesting question. GloFo has a working, certified mass production 14nm FF node already, so half a year more to make a high performance node should be doable. Especially considering the high volume of chips they could make with all of AMD's mid to high end A/C/GPU chips being on that node.

 

Is it safe to say Nvidia just got BTFO?

 

Nvidia just got BTFO.

 

Expect AMD cards to come out first, and if people get into that 4k-must-have frenzy..then AMD might, just might, make a comeback in the GPU market specifically.

 

This is going to get interesting, but no company should be kept from accessing new industry standard technology. Imagine if AMD CPUs were kept from developing support for DDR4. That would be absurd and would only set PC gaming, and consumer computers in general, back.

 

Greenland is gonna be sexy. Pascal? Never heard of him.

 

No one is keeping nvidia from accessing an industry standard. They can just buy it from other vendors. Well they can't, but they could have invested in it like AMD did, to have proper access to HBM earlier. Cannot fault AMD for that really.

 

As things stands now, if Pascal cannot use HBM, it would need 16-32 GB of vram and a massive bit bandwidth to compete with Greenland.

[Spoonfull]

Wow, called that pretty hard.

 

It would not surprise me to see HBM be standard in all of AMD's mid to high end GPU's and APU's next year already. Even with the news of SK Hynix ramping up production, AMD is still their only customer of this particular ram technology so far.

 

I wonder what nvidia will do though. TSMC might not be ready with 16nm FF+ for a mid 2016 launch of Pascal, and now HBM 2 will probably not be accessable for them either. We might see ½-1 year delay as things stands right now.

 

Greenland of course will get HBM2 and probaby in an 8GB configuration. Whether Global Foundries will be ready with a high performance 14nm FF node by then is really the only interesting question. GloFo has a working, certified mass production 14nm FF node already, so half a year more to make a high performance node should be doable. Especially considering the high volume of chips they could make with all of AMD's mid to high end A/C/GPU chips being on that node.

 

 

No one is keeping nvidia from accessing an industry standard. They can just buy it from other vendors. Well they can't, but they could have invested in it like AMD did, to have proper access to HBM earlier. Cannot fault AMD for that really.

 

As things stands now, if Pascal cannot use HBM, it would need 16-32 GB of vram and a massive bit bandwidth to compete with Greenland.

Lol Pascal is going to be using HBM 2.0. Its been laid out and they have access to the technology. They just have their own marketing term for it, similar to what AMD did with SLI technology. There is no doubt in my mind ( and i hope anyone elses..). I was referencing the first retarded troll suggestion.

[Notional]

Lol Pascal is going to be using HBM 2.0. There is no doubt in my mind ( and i hope anyone elses..). I was referencing the first retarded troll suggestion.

 

I think so too; the question is how long it will take before SK Hynix has the production means to satisfy demand outside of AMD's. In this case, this might be yet another thing that could delay Pascal's entry to the market next year.

[Lethal Seraph]

I think it's been posted long before that Pascal gpu would be using hbm2 but with this leak (considering how trustworthy the source is) it's gonna be grim if it gets delayed. If it does, it'll just give team green more time to polish it further.

Amd has been very good working with other companies pushing new tech standard but I guess they're gonna have to start making cutthroat decisions against the competition in order to turn around their financoal standing.

[That Norwegian Guy]

Wafers always look so pretty.

 

Before etching and doping they just look like a shingle of dry gray mud...

[mr moose]

If this is true there might be an anti trust lawsuit in the future.  There are very few legitimate reasons a company can use to control or limit supply.

[iHardware Shelden]

This won't happen but if it did....

Well i would laugh for days

I would die if Western Digital came back into creating graphic chips and used HBM2 before AMD did.

[Dietrichw]

If this is true there might be an anti trust lawsuit in the future. There are very few legitimate reasons a company can use to control or limit supply.

Not really. AMD has priority access which is just fine as they helped develop it. AMD gets first pick and others get the leftovers, as an agreement between two companies. The only way that could turn into an anti trust issue is if AMD was abusing it by deliberately ordering HBM it didn't need just to keep it away from Nvidia.