Official Nvidia GTX 970 Discussion Thread

[BiG StroOnZ]

What this thread has become:

 

[Majestic]

If you claim something, then claim it with proof. No reason to hide when you can prove something.

Yet you didn't bother reading the full topic and see all the posts in which I did.

 

I never say something I can't back up, I just really didn't feel like providing evidence for such trivial stuff you can easily look up on a google image search.

[Suika]

At this rate I might just weight and see what effect the 300's have on the market. 

I hope it'll be worth the weight!

 

[Atmos]

The issue is that they didn't lie. They shouldn't have advertised the card as 4GB, but they weren't wrong in doing so. They shouldn't have said it contained 64 ROPs, but they did, and weren't wrong (except 8 are inactive).

 

Take as much time attempting to prove it, but there is no logical reason behind why NVIDIA would have lied.

 

1) NVIDIA wouldn't have and did not gain anything from this. As I've said, this card is crazy better than a GTX 780, and they could have sold it just like that. Let's remember, the GTX 780 was $700 on release, the 970 is $330 and more power efficient. Honestly, 512MB of VRAM does not change the gaming aspect of this card, and I bet everybody who bought the card didn't realize what an ROP is and what it could do (and I bet you even more, the same people complaining don't understand how 8 additional ROPs would be useless anyway).

 

2) NVIDIA is not stupid, not like some companies. They recognize that the consumers they're trying to appeal to would have immediately found the flaws with it, and they did. If it was deliberate and NVIDIA had no story behind why this was all unknown and still advertised to, then I can see the argument. The issue is, though, their story makes sense. The fact that they would lie does not. Remember, they're trying to appeal to people smarter than who the lie would have been able to fool.

 

3) The card has all of the originally advertised features, however, the ROPs are actually disabled and the VRAM segmented. Is it morally correct for AMD to be advertising the R9 295X2 as an 8GB card? Because they are.

 I see your point, and for the most part agree with it. The 295 shouldnt be labelled as an 8gb card, when it only can sustain 4gb for each core. But at least all 8gb are actually there and functioning. The issue is that i can't honestly beleive that for months Nvidia managed to completely ignore the specs they were going with. At some point SOMEONE from research & dev would have seen what they were saying and tried to speak up, but no. If it turns out that by some complete lack of common sense nvidia actually does just give their PR group an unlabeled card and say "here, you figure out whats new about it, and then start forwarding that info on w/o checking to make sure its actually right!" then i will retract my statements about them lying. There should have been no way this could have happened if they simply did some basic fact checking. 

 

I hear your argument, and it has some solid evidence, but i just can't see how such a successful company can apparently have such little oversight of what two what should be closely related departments are doing.

[mr moose]

I hope it'll be worth the weight!

 

 

ouch, I do that so often, however usually I catch my mistakes upon proof reading.  The most common one for me at the moment is hear and here because I do a lot of audio work and talk about hearing all the time.   

[Lewellyn]

What this thread has become:

 

 

Pretty sure it's anything but a perfect being....

[Shahnewaz]

Yet you didn't bother reading the full topic and see all the posts in which I did.

 

I never say something I can't back up, I just really didn't feel like providing evidence for such trivial stuff you can easily look up on a google image search.

Fair enough, no one forced you to prove it. I'm not.

This thread has 45 pages. Where should I look to find the answer to the same question someone else has asked before?

And it's not the end of the world if you don't answer. I just asked for an example. @djdwosk97 was kind enough to post a screenshot.

[s3ns3]

Let me guess you have a 970.

 

YUP.

 

970 owners so adamant about defending nvidia.

 

I wonder why.

i dont, but if it performs like this f*uck me i want one .

 

how many rops it has? 2 or 3 ? dont care just bring it on

 

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

Pretty sure it's anything but a perfect being....

 

The ouroboros has many meanings, one of which is cyclical actions like revolving or recurring events. 

[Lewellyn]

The ouroboros has many meanings, one of which is cyclical actions like revolving or recurring events. 

 

You mean a like a ton of shit posting leading to more shit posting?

[BiG StroOnZ]

You mean a like a ton of shit posting leading to more shit posting?

 

More like the thread looks like it's finally going to die, then people keep feeding the trolls some more. Then it dies again, then people feed them some more. Oh wait it died again, nope more responses to the trolls.

[Suika]

I hear your argument, and it has some solid evidence, but i just can't see how such a successful company can apparently have such little oversight of what two what should be closely related departments are doing.

Actually, you'd be quite surprised how departments like marketing and PR are so detached from the rest of the company. I've been taking courses to reach a degree in Business Administration, and both some of my classmates and teachers have talked about some companies having marketing setting unrealistic goals or being completely uninformed of what actually is, because they're on a different level in the company. Victoria's Secret, for example, has its higher officials tell the ground level crew to spend a maximum of 2 minutes per person who requires help, so they can go on and help more people. That was an unrealistic goal set by people that don't actually know what it's like to be on the ground level, most employees will tell you from first hand experience that you might need 5x as much time just to make sure one person is content.

 

That's just a single example, though. This is common among companies, it would be no surprise if this were true with NVIDIA.

 

ouch, I do that so often, however usually I catch my mistakes upon proof reading.  The most common one for me at the moment is hear and here because I do a lot of audio work and talk about hearing all the time.   

Haha, yea, it's not problem, I've been making a lot of mistakes recently, too. I just recently got my Razer BlackWidow, and I'm still learning how to type effectively on it.

[ACatWithThumbs]

I normally lean more towards Nvidia but I just have to post this:

[Majestic]

I normally lean more towards Nvidia but I just have to post this:

 

Ha-ha?

[ACatWithThumbs]

Ha-ha?

This is actual marketing from AMD.

Nvidia is really hurting their reputation with this they should really do something about it like $20 off your next upgrade.

Or make a GTX980 upgrade program.

 

[Majestic]

This is actual marketing from AMD.

Nvidia is really hurting their reputation with this they should really do something about it like $20 off your next upgrade.

Or make a GTX980 upgrade program.

 

 

Or maybe you shouldn't buy into smear campaigns of their rivals? Where did you get that from anyway.

 

I mean, nvidia could just as well stab back with some leafblower reference. And If you think AMD isn't hurting, you're wildly misinformed.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8913/amd-reports-q4-fy-2014-and-full-year-results

 

AMD selling those big chips with large memorybusses on the cheap has it's downsides. 

[ItsAFeature]

He's referring to a video where Linus himself recommended the GTX 970 in SLI for 4K gaming.

 

Yeah I got the reference but took issue with the word choice. He could have said "up to you whether you think Linus was wrong" or something along those lines. But making a hardware recommendation based on believing the specs a manufacturer gives you about their product and personal experience running that hardware in that configuration isn't a lie.

 

It's not like he knew about all of this and had evidence to suggest that SLI 970's would be a worse option than a single 980 at 4K (which they aren't) but recommended them anyways. That might have been a lie... or at least misinformation.

 

/ internet warrior rant

[Victorious Secret]

??

 

I joined 25 jan , this account is not new.

 

Its against CoC I suspect to be rolling two accounts at once and using them to blatantly troll and harass other members as you have done. I guess being shot down before wasn't enough, you needed to come back for pitiful seconds. 

You're a part of history however. The largest derailed clusterfuck this forum has ever seen. The page hits and ad revenue must've been exceptionally great. 

[Guest Kloaked]

I normally lean more towards Nvidia but I just have to post this:

-snip-

 

There's 4GB on the 970's too mate. Have you paid attention to anything being said?

[BatJoe]

Oh, hi there AMD

 

https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/560511204951855104

 

[Suika]

Oh, hi there AMD

https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/560511204951855104

Ohey.

[Majestic]

fml you people are so juvinile.

[Texhnlyze]

Ohey.

 

Gold

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

Ohey.

And these are the people who advertise thier CPU as 8 cores when it isn't actually 8 soldered cores it's more like 6 and a half cores ? 

8350 literally has 4 TRUE cores, and I guess you can say it too, is hyperthreaded in AMD's world because it has 8 threads, but only 4 PHYSICAL processors.

[mr moose]

It's all interpretation, I've said it before, I'll say it again, they all do it and this just goes to show the more incensed by it you are the more you hated that particular company to begin with.