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how long does a SSD work? and how long a HHD?

HDD lasts long but that magnetic disk only lasts until certain years and may corrupt data due to gravity over time  , but SSD do degrade over use, but even if you don't supply power to it , the nand flash do degrade 

 

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What is the easiest/ most optimal way to transfer files from your ssd to your hdd, such as steam games and the such? any feedback is appreciated

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Are you guys considering expanding your sshd lineup? It seems that your configurations for sshds only go up to 1tb and are only 2.5mm, I was just wondering if you'd build say 2tb or 4tb 3.5mm sshds since seagate had some or even something like sandisk's readycache drive that's a bit faster as competition is always good for us consumers :D

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Hey guys, (sorry most of this is a post I made already that no one has yet to answer )


 


want to upgrade my laptop to a WD dual drive and wanted to know if anyone else has and what the experience was like for you.


 


I'm nervous of the cloning procedure, what are the risks that could be involved aside from losing everything, do I need to reactivate windows / will there be problems there?


 


I have just bought an external hard drive for backing up should I move my files off the drive before i clone it and move them back after to the hdd so they aren't included on the clone?


 


what can i do to make the ssd as efficient as possible / last as long as possible such as defragging, disc clean up and other things?


 


what is the / is there any impact on performance of cpu ect for the second drive on the SATA connector?


 


how did you measure the size of the HDD space in your laptop, just pull the current drive out and measure the thickness of it or ...?


Specs seem to suggest the HDD I have is 9.5mm so the dual drive should fit I think


 


during the clone will I lose my internet security remaining days?


 


Read article: http://www.bit-tech....-drive-review/6


that says that "As such the Black^2 is far from award worthy at the moment. If that price drops by £50, though, it'll be well worth a look." talking about it being priced at £230 and it is available on amazon for £119


 


 


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Hey guys,

 

My apologies for the late response. I will start answering all your questions one by one and will tag you.

Since some of the questions are similar or ask the same thing in a different way, I will tag more than one person. As soon as I am up to speed, I will answer the regular way by just quoting you. :)

I will need some time to answer all questions, so my apologies if someone else's gets answered before yours. In case I miss somebody, feel free to PM me if no one else managed to answer you.

 

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Regarding the combination of a single or multiple SSDs with one or more HDDs, as solid state storage becomes more available, more people start to combine SSDs with HDDs or use purely SSDs (depending on budget). 

 

It is true that a SSD boosts the performance of your computer a lot and significantly decreases all loading times. This is why it is recommended that you store your OS on it as well as all your demanding programs or big files that you work with. For example, if you are doing editing or content creation, I would always suggest that you store the program that you are using on the SSD as well as all the files that you are currently working with. When you are done, you can simply move them on the HDD to free up some space. 

 

When it comes to gaming, games generally rely on storage only for their loading times (both initial and in-game). FPS and graphics stay unaffected and depend on other parts (GPU, CPU, RAM). There are some games that are storage hungry and need to load huge texture files while in-game, but that depends on the particular game that you are playing. I would suggest storing your heavier games and the ones that you want to load faster on the SSD and leave the rest on the SSD. (For example, I am using WD Black2 and have WoW and LoL on the SSD part while my other games are on the HDD part). :)

 

There are some uses of SSDs for caching HDD, but this is solved with hybrid drives that use (mostly) 8GB SSDs to cache HDDs in one enclosure. A pure SSD would perform far better than HDD that is being cached by a SSD. 

 

It is advised to keep 12%-15% free on a SSD for ultimate performance (I try to keep around 30GB on my 120GB part of the WD Black2).

 

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I believe this will answer your questions (and one of Windspeed26's):

 

WD Blue is your regular everyday drive that is most commonly used for regular computing, light gaming and workloads and combined with SSD. It is fully capable to run most games as well as many programs for editing or programming. Its capacity goes up to 1TB. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=yEF5Ql

 

WD Green is your energy-efficient drive that works cool, quiet and saves a lot of power. It is designed for backups and secondary storage. Its features allow it to be a great choice for quiet backup builds or for archiving. It is mostly chosen for massive media storage (up to 6TB) in builds that have another drive for the OS and active programs and games. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=9NuekR

 

WD Black is the performance drive in WD's consumer line. It is the fastest among them and has good features such as a built-in dual-core CPU that makes the drive great for multitasking. It is designed for heavy gaming, big workloads and intensive file usage. It has a llong, 5-year limited warranty and its mostly used in gaming computers or editing machines. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=kwWszB

 

WD Red is the NAS/RAID class drive from the consumer series that is designed specifically for RAID environments and NAS devices. It is tuned and optimized for 24/7 performance, RAID arrays and up to 8-bay NAS systems. This drive is often used for backups, stable secondary storage and in streaming builds, as well as NAS and RAID. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=6IxL8e

 

WD Red Pro is designed with the same purpose as the regular WD Red, only for larger scales (8 to 16 bays). They have fixed 7,200 rpm (while the regular WD Red has Intellipower), longer warranty and some additional features in the firmware, enabling it to perform even better at larger scale RAID arrays. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=OZwpoG

 

WD Purple is your surveillance-class drive, designed specifically for surveillance storage, video recording and streaming. It has optimized noise reduction (being the most quiet drive in the consumer line with only 22dBA nooise level during seeking time), significantly reduced frame loss nad optimized firmware. This drive is also used often for desktop computers due to its low noise levels. It has optimized sequential read/write speeds but the random read/write speeds are lower than normal and some people experience problems with it in regular desktops. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=lH1AD6

 

WD VelociRaptor is a fast workstation drive, spinning at 10,000 rpm. It has limited capacity of 1TB and is mainly used in workstations for editing and content creation. People start to replace it with SSDs but still a lot of users prefer regular HDDs. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=lMOnhR

 

WD Black2 is a dual drive that combines a 120GB SSD with a 1TB HDD in one enclosure in 2.5" form factor. It is designed specifically to improve laptop capacity and performance. It is different from a hybrid SSHD because the SSD part is much bigger (120GB compared to 8GB) and works independently from the HDD (while you cannot control what goes on the SSD part of a SSHD). It is mostly used in laptops with only one drive bay for both speed boost and capacity improvement. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=q11Mfu

 

WD AV is a drive that is designed specifically for 24/7 streaming and PVR, DVR and IPTV environments. It is an earlier version of the WD Purple and is still used for constant streaming in TVs, media players, etc. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=p25oet

 

To answer the specific questions: 

- WD Red is indeed the choice between all the consumer drives for 24/7 RAID NAS. It is designed and optimized for that. You other option would be WD Red Pro, but it is up to you if you need the additional features. 

- The main differences between WD Red and WD Purple would be the features and tuning of their firmware for the specific purposes that they are designed for, the different optimization of random and sequential read/write speeds and the fact that WD Purple does not power down unless the system is shut down, compared to WD Red which powers down after a certain amount of time without usage. 

- WD Red and WD Red Pro would be the consumer level HDDs for RAID environments.

- Both WD Green and WD Red are good and fast enough for storing media and photos

 

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@captain_WD

 

wow the amount of details in your posts

 

no wonder your title is 'The WD Master' :D

 

take you time to compile all the answers

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EDIT: Wont let me tag Captain_WD

 

I want to build a 8-13 drive raid setup for my home server. 12-13 Drives. Raid 5 with hot spare but leaning towards Raid 6.

 

With the Red Pros do I get that much on read and write speeds for the money?

 

What hardware RAID cards seem to work best with these drives in your opinion?

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Western Digital currently has a cold storage solution with its WD Ae enterprise drive. It is designed for long term cold storage with the capacity of 6.3TB, 64MB cache, SATA3 interface, 3.5" form factor and 5760 rpm. It is not using SMR technology (overlapping magnetic tracks). http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=4CqMNU

 

If Western Digital develop new drives in that direction, there will be a press release and you will be informed. :)

 

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Hey @MaigoMan and welcome to Linus Tech Tips forum :)

 

Concerning the upgrade of SSDs, I always recommend a fresh install of your OS since this way you avoid any data corruption problems, compatibility issues and data loss during the process. Also, a fresh install refreshes your system and gets rid of unused programs and unwanted files.

 

Restoring an image of your drive is one way to do that. Another way that you might use is cloning that SSD on another drive, configuring the RAID and then cloning back from the third drive onto the RAID array. Same risks apply during this process. Each manufacturer has a recommended tool to do that. Acronis True Image, for example, has a WD edition for Western Digital drives that does a great job. http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=SCLZGe

 

Also, I would like to point out that RAID0 doubles the chance of data loss due to its nature. If either of the drives fail, you would lose all data on the array. I would recommend a full backup of all your files on the RAID array. 

 

RAID0 would indeed boost your speed, but it would actually increase your cold boot times as the array needs to be initialized fist and then start the booting process. 

 

WD Blue drives are not recommended for RAID setups as they lack the additional features that, for example, WD Red and WD Red Pro have to make it safer and work smoother in such environment. By using a non-NAS/RAID-class drive in an RAID array, you are raising the risk of data corruption or drive drop-outs. People have reported WD Blue to work fine in RAID array, but I would not recommend it. 

 

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EDIT: Wont let me tag Captain_WD

 

I want to build a 8-13 drive raid setup for my home server. 12-13 Drives. Raid 5 with hot spare but leaning towards Raid 6.

 

With the Red Pros do I get that much on read and write speeds for the money?

 

What hardware RAID cards seem to work best with these drives in your opinion?

 

Hey Priller,
 
I would recommend WD Red Pro over the regular WD Red as they are tuned and designed for larger arrays (8-16). They spin at 7,200 rpm, have longer warranty and deliver a bit faster speeds but the maximum size is 4TB while WD Red comes in sizes up to 6TB. You can compare their specs in their drive sheets:
 
The speed would depend on other things as well (connection, NAS parts, amount and type of data, etc.) and the type of RAID. For such a big pool I would consider RAID10 as it gives higher speed boost and better redundancy than RAID5. It is more HDD hungry, though. RAID6 is also a good option with two-drive failure tolerance and a good speed boost. 
 
I cannot comment on RAID cards, but I am sure you can post  in the "Storage Solution" section a topic and the guys will give you a lot of good feedback and advice. http://linustechtips.com/main/forum/38-storage-solutions/ :)
 
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One thing I am curious about, is which of the newer WD HDDs have the longest predicted lifespan and highest quality, because I just can't seem to find one that matches the quality of my old Caviar 280, as its outlived multiple newer WD HDDs (even a couple of caviar blues) and still shows no signs of giving up.

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A drive is a mechanical unit which life depends on many factors such as type of usage, environment, etc. Western Digital puts warranties on drives in order to guarantee their life for that period. A drive can last 10 years as well as it can fail in a matter of months - it is a mechanical unit after all and failures do happen due to different factors. 

 

In terms if warranty, WD Black, WD Black2 and WD Red Pro have the longer warranty of 5-years (as well as WD Xe, WD Re and WD Se from the Datacenter class). 

 

I would simply look around in the communities for general feedback on which drives tend to last longer than others. The more opinions you get - the more accurate your info would be. :)

 

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Are you looking for a way to see those 2 3TB drives as one volume? Are you worried about the risk of RAID0? 

 

Having two separate drives is better than having one single drive in terms of redundancy and safety. If you use them separately, even if one of the drives fail, you would still have the other one fully functional and keep the data on it. If you prefer to have one single 6TB volume with two drives and not risk losing everything in case of failure, I would recommend checking out JBOD Span option as it makes the drives appear as one huge volume but doesn't combine them like RAID0. It does not offer any speed boost whatsoever, but you have part of your data safe in case one of them fails.

 

As @popman suggested, I always advise people to have a backup of their data, regardless of how many drives they use. 

 

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Are you looking for a way to see those 2 3TB drives as one volume? Are you worried about the risk of RAID0? 
 
Having two separate drives is better than having one single drive in terms of redundancy and safety. If you use them separately, even if one of the drives fail, you would still have the other one fully functional and keep the data on it. If you prefer to have one single 6TB volume with two drives and not risk losing everything in case of failure, I would recommend checking out JBOD Span option as it makes the drives appear as one huge volume but doesn't combine them like RAID0. It does not offer any speed boost whatsoever, but you have part of your data safe in case one of them fails.
 
As @popman suggested, I always advise people to have a backup of their data, regardless of how many drives they use. 
 
Captain_WD.

 

 

What type of backup do you have?

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@Captain_WD
 

 

I was planning to get a 4 Bay NAS like the Synology DS415 Play

 

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS415play

 

the NAS will be populated with 6TB drives

 

but it will only be populated one drive at a time

 

I was planning of using RAID 5 which is suppose to help me in the event of a drive failure

 

But I was also thinking of RAID 6 which supports up to 2 drive failure but this means i only have 12TB to work with instead of 18TB for RAID 5

 

which do you think is reasonable?

 

 

So i do aware to place all the drives into RAID, I will need to format the drive and build the array.

 

If I have for example a few TB of data already in the drives, is it good to have an external drive bay attached to the NAS as backup?

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What type of backup do you have?

 

I don't have much data except a huge library of photos (I like photography) and some collections of movies and music.
 
I have two external drives that hold my files (exact copies of each other) and I update them whenever I get some new sets of photos, albums or movies. I am getting a NAS device soon, but I will still keep the external drives as additional backups just in case and will get another set whenever these are full. 
 
The NAS I am thinking of is the WD My Cloud EX4 ( http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=CIJkHD )and will be populating it one drive at a time. Still considering options for the size of the drives and the RAID type. :)
 
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@Captain_WD

 

 

I was planning to get a 4 Bay NAS like the Synology DS415 Play

 

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS415play

 

the NAS will be populated with 6TB drives

 

but it will only be populated one drive at a time

 

I was planning of using RAID 5 which is suppose to help me in the event of a drive failure

 

But I was also thinking of RAID 6 which supports up to 2 drive failure but this means i only have 12TB to work with instead of 18TB for RAID 5

 

which do you think is reasonable?

 

 

So i do aware to place all the drives into RAID, I will need to format the drive and build the array.

 

If I have for example a few TB of data already in the drives, is it good to have an external drive bay attached to the NAS as backup?

 

Hey dragoon20005,
 
I would also consider RAID10 once you have all four drives. It gives you the same amount of drive-failure tolerance as RAID6 but the speed boost i larger. If I were you, I would use the single drive with a backup to it somewhere on an external drive, then use two drives in RAID1 or separately (if you need the space), then go for RAID5 when you get the third one and move to RAID10 once you populate the NAS with all four drives. For me this will be the safest way to prevent any data loss in case of a failure. The RAID option depends on how much usable space you need.
 
I would say yes to the external drive. There is always the possibility of the whole enclosure failing due to electrical shortage or simple physical damage. I would do regular backups to an external drive and then detach it. :)
 
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awesome thanks for the wisdom!

 

never think of using different RAID configs for 1,2,3 and 4 drives

 

you have just solved my questions

 

I will def be picking up WD Red 6TB which suit my needs since the NAS will be the storage and download machine

 

Initially I was thinking of the Cloud EX4 but sadly it lack the download station feature that the Synology has in all the NAS product range

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The Windows encryption feature should be good for security reasons. There is also other third party encrypting software for which you can create a thread in the storage section on the forum (http://linustechtips.com/main/forum/38-storage-solutions/) and see what the guys can offer as alternatives (sadly, I cannot recommend any). 

 

Your other option is to have hardware encryption, which some external drives offer. For example, WD My Passport from the WD line of external drives features such option and basically the whole drive is encrypted and all you have to do is set a password and it basically becomes inaccessible without it. Here's a link: http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=PdqZt2

 

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In order to do that, I believe the BIOS, HDDs and the OS all need to support that. I am not aware if Windows 8.1 can do that. I would suggest posting a thread in the Storage section and see if anyone can help you out with a third-party software or with a solution of their own.

 

You can call your motherboard support and see if it offers such feature.

 

You might also want to look at the SATA feature called PUIS. :)

 

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You can find the levels of noise in dBA during idle and seek times of the different sized WD Black drives in the drive's spreadsheet: http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=srCKCw

 

It is normal for a performance drive to be a bit louder than a regular one. Also the higher the rpm and the size of the drive - the louder it would be (this is the general rule of thumb, there are exceptions of course).

 

If the drive appears to be too loud for your needs, you could always opt for a regular everyday drive, like WD Blue, since games rely on storage only for loading times (both initial and in-game) and FPS and graphics stay unaffected. Another option is to combine a HDD with a SSD and store your more demanding games on the SSD. :)

 

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1. As I said in one of my previous posts, a drive can fail due to many reasons at any time as well as it can run for many years without any problem. I always advise people do have a backup of their important information, regardless if the drive is new or old and be prepared in case a drive fails. 

 

2. There is no reason why larger drives should be considered easier to get corrupted data. It is only logical that if a drive has more platters or denser sectors that it has a higher chance of something getting corrupted, but the only true estimate that you can get for this is having a really large pool of different drives, test them in an identical environment and see which ones get corrupted data more (in my opinion). 

 

3. All drives have recommended working temperatures listed in their sheets. Generally, the recommended working temperature is recommended to be between 5C and 55C  with the numbers differing with about 5C between the different drives. Non-operating temperatures are recommended to be between -40C and 70C. As long as the drive stays in these ranges, it should function properly. 

 

4. I cannot say if a more expensive SSD performs better than a cheaper SSD. It has been noticed by many users that larger SSDs generally perform a bit faster than smaller ones (in capacity). The speed and quality depends on the quality and type of the NAN cells that are being used in the drive and a couple of more things (this depends on the manufacturer).

 

5. Again, as long as the drive stays withing the operation temps, it should be fine. To be honest, I have seen a drive malfunction due to overheating once or twice but it is not a common thing at all and you should be fine if the case has a proper airflow even with a single fan.

 

6. This depends on the dedicated card and the ability of the motherboard to handle RAID arrays. For smaller arrays and more simple RAID configurations, you should be fine with just the motherboard controller, but for larger scales or more complicated RAID types - I would recommend a dedicated card since it should handle them much better.

 

7. Check one of my previous comments, I explained what each drive from the consumer list is designed for. WD Black is the fasted drive (not counting WD VelociRaptor) and has the longest warranty (along with WD Red Pro). :)

 

8. For SSDs people should leave about 12%-15% free space for optimal performance and enable all recommended features like TRIM in order to maintain it and defragging is never recommended. The more writing you do on the SSD, the more it wears out. Also, I would try to keep all static electricity away from it due to the nature of storing data (electrical charges in the NAND cells).

I would say similar things regarding HDDs - keeping it away from harmful external factors such as static electricity and vibrations, keeping it within the range of operating temperature, etc. It is good to check your drive for errors and bad sectors often to make sure you minimize the chance of data corruption and data loss and perform occasional defragging to keep your larger files in same sectors and get rid of unused files. The built-in tools on different OSs are also useful (like the disk clean up tool in Windows).

 

9. You are welcome :) the more people get informed on the subject - the safer their data will be.

 

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