Posted December 17, 2014 Well here it is And here are the specs: Gaming Chasis: SYBER VAPOR PC Gaming Console Chassis (White Color) CPU: AMD Athlon X4 840 3.1GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Quad-Core Processor Freebies: None CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: AMD Certified CPU Fan & Heatsink Motherboard: MSI A88XI AC FM2+ mITX, AC Wi-Fi 802.11 + Bluetooth, USB 3+ SATA 6GB/s GbLAN, 1 Gen3 PCIe x16 RAM / System Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand) Video Card: AMD Radeon R9 270 2GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card (Single Card) Freebies: None Power Supply: 250 Watts – Standard SFX Power Supply Hard Drive: 500GB 5400RPM SATA300 Hard Drive Secondary Hard Drive: None External Optical Drive: None Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO LCD Monitor: None Cables: 6-FT HDMI Flat Cable, V1.4, Supports 3D & 4K Resolution, Gold Plated Connector Cable (1 piece) Speakers: None Internal Network Card: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network Remote: Mini QWERTY Keyboard with Touchpad Keyboard: None Mouse: AZZA Optical 1600dpi Gaming Mouse with Weight Adjustable Cartridge Mouse Pad: None Headset: None Controllers: Logitech F710 Wireless Gamepad Gaming Gear: None External Wireless Network Card: None Wireless Routers/Hubs: None Docking Station: None Video Camera: None Power & Surge Protection: None External USB ADAPTER: None Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 8.1 (64-bit Edition) and Office 365 FREE 30 Days Trial Office Suite: None Games: None Rush Service: RUSH!!! READY TO SHIP IN 3 BUSINESS DAYS So it appears that Cyberpower has done a lot more things right than Dell/Alienware (which imho didn't do that poorly but this is just better) by putting together an actually solid kill-your-console SFX based system. It has an actually capable GPU, it's fully upgradeable and still includes a controller and tiny keyboard. The bad part? 250 watt PSU. I must say....WAT....Seriously I'm surprised this system is even stable enough to power on at all and it makes your upgrades mostly theoretical until you purchase a silverstone SFX PSU at the very least since any other GPU (with the exception of maybe an upcoming 960 since that is maxwell and it should require even less power than the 970) will likely bring the PSU down to it's knees. Still though this is what I envision as an excellent way to tell someone "You don't wanna build your own? Want a couch experience? For 600 you can actually do 1080p 60FPS and get truly next gen looks unlike your console" Here's Joanne's video on it too Sauce: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/SYBER_VAPOR_A ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 r9 270 1080p 60FPS maybe at low settings...? Stuff: i7 7700k @ (dat nibba succ) | ASRock Z170M OC Formula | G.Skill TridentZ 3600 c16 | EKWB 1080 @ 2100 mhz | Acer X34 Predator | R4 | EVGA 1000 P2 | 1080mm Radiator Custom Loop | HD800 + Audio-GD NFB-11 | 850 Evo 1TB | 840 Pro 256GB | 3TB WD Blue | 2TB Barracuda Hwbot: http://hwbot.org/user/lays/ FireStrike 980 ti @ 1800 Mhz http://hwbot.org/submission/3183338 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/11574089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 I'd still rather have a Wii/PS4 or build a SFF PC myself with this case towards the left. There is no such thing as a steambox, it's just another SFF build with a special Linux which doesn't make much sense since the bulk of gaming is on Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Author r9 270 1080p 60FPS maybe at low settings...? No it can do medium on several titles. It's not the greatest card out there but it's certainly more powerful than the consoles and should manage ok. Even on high settings on some games: ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Author I'd still rather have a Wii/PS4 or build a SFF PC myself with this case towards the left. -pic- There is no such thing as a steambox, it's just another SFF build with a special Linux which doesn't make much sense since the bulk of gaming is on Windows. I agree I would rather build those as well and regarding steambox, I did said "type" in my title implying it's no steambox, but steambox-like. ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Hmm its not bad though its not as cute/small as the Alpha, and it does not have the controller driven interface, so its basically just a small windows PC $500 (without keyboard, wireless mouse and gamepad) So for $600 its actually a pretty good deal considering you get windows AND the peripherals included (note used an 860k cos the 840 was not on ppp) PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($77.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: MSI A88XI AC Mini ITX FM2+ Motherboard ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($42.49 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.98 @ Amazon) Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($131.98 @ Newegg) Case: Silverstone ML07B HTPC Case ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz) Power Supply: SeaSonic 300W 80+ Certified SFX Power Supply ($37.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $499.40 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-17 10:54 EST-0500 Desktop - Corsair 300r i7 4770k H100i MSI 780ti 16GB Vengeance Pro 2400mhz Crucial MX100 512gb Samsung Evo 250gb 2 TB WD Green, AOC Q2770PQU 1440p 27" monitor Laptop Clevo W110er - 11.6" 768p, i5 3230m, 650m GT 2gb, OCZ vertex 4 256gb, 4gb ram, Server: Fractal Define Mini, MSI Z78-G43, Intel G3220, 8GB Corsair Vengeance, 4x 3tb WD Reds in Raid 10, Phone Oppo Reno 10x 256gb , Camera Sony A7iii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Author Hmm its not bad though its not as cute/small as the Alpha, and it does not have the controller driven interface, so its basically just a small windows PC $500 (without keyboard, wireless mouse and gamepad) So for $600 its actually a pretty good deal considering you get windows AND the peripherals included (note used an 860k cos the 840 was not on ppp) PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($77.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: MSI A88XI AC Mini ITX FM2+ Motherboard ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($42.49 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.98 @ Amazon) Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($131.98 @ Newegg) Case: Silverstone ML07B HTPC Case ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz) Power Supply: SeaSonic 300W 80+ Certified SFX Power Supply ($37.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $499.40 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-17 10:54 EST-0500 The one thing that jumps out is that you went for a more capable PSU. I guess Cyberpower had to cut cost to get a bit more margin somewhere but I am not a fan of that move myself. ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 The video review is a bit of a joke. No measurements of sound or temperature levels, no gaming benchmarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 r9 270 1080p 60FPS maybe at low settings...? it runs bf4 at more than 60 on ultra. maybe high, 270x definitely runs it on ultra preset at like 80 with mantle. Location: Kaunas, Lithuania, Europe, Earth, Solar System, Local Interstellar Cloud, Local Bubble, Gould Belt, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Milky Way subgroup, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Laniakea, Pisces–Cetus Supercluster Complex, Observable universe, Universe. Spoiler 12700, B660M Mortar DDR4, 32GB 3200C16 Viper Steel, 2TB SN570, EVGA Supernova G6 850W, be quiet! 500FX, EVGA 3070Ti FTW3 Ultra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 There is no such thing as a steambox, it's just another SFF build with a special Linux which doesn't make much sense since the bulk of gaming is on Windows. Valve has/ is working with a lot of devs to start bringing a lot of major titles to Linux. The newest Borderlands is a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Valve has/ is working with a lot of devs to start bringing a lot of major titles to Linux. The newest Borderlands is a good example. I'm not knocking Linux, I actually wish some Windows only stuff I use was native to Linux since WINE only goes so far. I'm more speaking for the present time where the bulk of gaming is still Windows. Now if we can squeeze beefier specs, keep the console footprint and have some Windows only software finally native to Linux, I can see myself getting one of these types of devices in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 The included keyboard seem a rebranded Chill keyboard (atleast it's the same OEM). http://www.chill-innovation.com/en/bluetooth-keyboards/15-chill-kb-1bt-wireless-bluetooth-micro-keyboard-uk-5711045075629.html#.VJGpA7ACJA If that is the case, I would recommend getting a different keyboard. The track pad isn't all that good, and the keys can be difficult to press. The price of the system doesn't seem to bad. I would have like a part about thermals and acustics in the video. For me it would be dealbreak if it sounded like a jet plan and/or heated up my whole livingroom. Nova doctrina terribilis sit perdere Audio format guides: Vinyl records | Cassette tapes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 I'm not knocking Linux, I actually wish some Windows only stuff I use was native to Linux since WINE only goes so far. I'm more speaking for the present time where the bulk of gaming is still Windows. Now if we can squeeze beefier specs, keep the console footprint and have some Windows only software finally native to Linux, I can see myself getting one of these types of devices in the future. Sure, the point being though that the gaming aspect will transfer over with the release of Steam OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 I would have like a part about thermals and acustics in the video. For me it would be dealbreak if it ... heated up my whole livingroom. That is such a weird and common misconception. Chip temperatures are not an indicator of how much heat gets transfered into surrounding air. Power consumption is what determines the heat output and high chip temperatures only signify that the mechanism for transferring the heat from chip to air is insufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 The one thing that jumps out is that you went for a more capable PSU. I guess Cyberpower had to cut cost to get a bit more margin somewhere but I am not a fan of that move myself. I literally picked the cheapest SFX psu on pcpartpicker 250 watts is fine, but if you want to upgrade the pc in the future you are basically going to have to gut the whole thing and replace the PSU Desktop - Corsair 300r i7 4770k H100i MSI 780ti 16GB Vengeance Pro 2400mhz Crucial MX100 512gb Samsung Evo 250gb 2 TB WD Green, AOC Q2770PQU 1440p 27" monitor Laptop Clevo W110er - 11.6" 768p, i5 3230m, 650m GT 2gb, OCZ vertex 4 256gb, 4gb ram, Server: Fractal Define Mini, MSI Z78-G43, Intel G3220, 8GB Corsair Vengeance, 4x 3tb WD Reds in Raid 10, Phone Oppo Reno 10x 256gb , Camera Sony A7iii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 That is such a weird and common misconception. Chip temperatures are not an indicator of how much heat gets transfered into surrounding air. Power consumption is what determines the heat output and high chip temperatures only signify that the mechanism for transferring the heat from chip to air is inefficient. I never talked about the chip temperatur? I was talking about the thermals of the system, not the CPU/GPU. Of course it shouldn't throttel the chips, but aside from that I don't care. Nova doctrina terribilis sit perdere Audio format guides: Vinyl records | Cassette tapes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 I would rather spend the extra 20$ on this then buy that but I would not blink an eye to recommend that to someone who did not want a custom build.(idk why they wouldn't want one) I upgraded the hard drive, the psu and a case that I just like better .http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V7qqVn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Implying the alpha is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Author Implying the alpha is bad. I'm actually one of the only persons around that did like the alpha. But the thing is that you're getting a better and upgradeable system here. ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 I would rather spend the extra 20$ on this then buy that but I would not blink an eye to recommend that to someone who did not want a custom build.(idk why they wouldn't want one) I upgraded the hard drive, the psu and a case that I just like better .http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V7qqVn Plus the Windows license, plus the controller, plus that mini keyboard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 I'm actually one of the only persons around that did like the alpha. But the thing is that you're getting a better and upgradeable system here. I'd rather have the intel based system. The alpha is super small compared to the xbox and ps4. This syber looks big and the name is silly, plus the controller looks shitty. The alpha for 550 for the i3 is a better deal I think. If you plan staged upgrades every year when you can find things at low prices (around black friday) you can upgrade to an i5 (i7 is overkill) and 8gb of ram. I think that the 1tb hdd is perfect here and don't really recommend an SSD unless you can get a 1tb and don't care about the extra money. The speed increase won't really help much more than boot times and if you use it as intended and only as a steambox then you won't need the speed as much as you would think. Take the alpha for 550, add 150-200 and upgrade the cpu/ram if you can budget it after the first 6 months or so and you're golden. Then you just upgrade to an ssd when you have extra cash. I think with the latest price drops of the consoles the alpha might be a harder sale, but it's still a competitor as dell has offered gift cards and discounts before the thing was even available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Will these guys EVER realize that just cause its for gaming, doesn't mean it needs to look like some 12 year old designed and put it together? You know why consoles look the way they do, especially the hunk of old school VCR known as the One? CAUSE THE BLEND IN WITH HOME THEATRE EQUIPMENT SEAMLESSY. I don't keep my shit moving around on my stands. It stays in one place. Having things that match is kinda nice. My Blu Ray player is black. My Pioneer Elite TV is black. My Pioneer receiver is black. Its all blended especially when its dark. I don't need THAT. That looks awesome. Figure out your home theatre equipment aesthetics first, they matter a hell of a lot to people who keep these things out in the open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Author I'd rather have the intel based system. The alpha is super small compared to the xbox and ps4. This syber looks big and the name is silly, plus the controller looks shitty. The alpha for 550 for the i3 is a better deal I think. If you plan staged upgrades every year when you can find things at low prices (around black friday) you can upgrade to an i5 (i7 is overkill) and 8gb of ram. I think that the 1tb hdd is perfect here and don't really recommend an SSD unless you can get a 1tb and don't care about the extra money. The speed increase won't really help much more than boot times and if you use it as intended and only as a steambox then you won't need the speed as much as you would think. Take the alpha for 550, add 150-200 and upgrade the cpu/ram if you can budget it after the first 6 months or so and you're golden. Then you just upgrade to an ssd when you have extra cash. I think with the latest price drops of the consoles the alpha might be a harder sale, but it's still a competitor as dell has offered gift cards and discounts before the thing was even available. Those CPU upgrades are mostly meaningless to gamers: The only upgrade that will matter is a new GPU like a 960 or 970 ITX down the road. You will certainly not be "golden" in fact the opposite: You'll be held back by the integrated laptop GPU With no upgrades taken into consideration, then yes I can see why you would prefer the more compact and cooler running alpha. ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 I'd still rather have a Wii/PS4 or build a SFF PC myself with this case towards the left. There is no such thing as a steambox, it's just another SFF build with a special Linux which doesn't make much sense since the bulk of gaming is on Windows. People draw too much wood over SteamOS and Steamboxes as if they are some brand new invention that will revolutionize everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 17, 2014 Those CPU upgrades are mostly meaningless to gamers: The only upgrade that will matter is a new GPU like a 960 or 970 ITX down the road. You will certainly not be "golden" in fact the opposite: You'll be held back by the integrated laptop GPU With no upgrades taken into consideration, then yes I can see why you would prefer the more compact and cooler running alpha. The i5 would be a great upgrade, the i7 would be overkill. That isn't a terrible gpu. I'm not intending to play games on ultra at 120fps at 4k. That isn't the purpose of the machine. As long as it performs as well as an xbox one or ps4 or better, that's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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