Will AMD ever make a comeback in the cpu world?

[Castdeath97]

Seeing that AMD haven't had any significant releases in CPU landscape made me wonder wether they plan on leaving the CPU business for APUs. This makes me worry that this would effect competition. I have not been that long informed into tech so I never understood why does AMD lags behind intel that much, but I thought that I'd like to see whether AMD may still have a chance to do a comeback (at least in budget CPUs)

[Enderman]

They were having problems moving down their manufacturing process to smaller sizes.

They partnered with samsung to help them make chips, but im not sure if those are going to be for new CPUs or mobile devices and other stuff.

[NotCthulhu]

2016.

[SkilledRebuilds]

AMD’s upcoming Zen platform in 2016 I believe, there are posts about their announcement and plenty of rumors, but they stated their new CPU's are coming.

 

Always a waiting game... http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/190026-amd-ceo-just-laid-out-companys-two-year-roadmap

[Levent]

expect nothing appreciate everything

who knows

[lani100]

I think they will never come back.

[Castdeath97]

AMD’s upcoming Zen platform in 2016 I believe, there are posts about their announcement and plenty of rumors, but they stated their new CPU's are coming.

 

Always a waiting game... http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/190026-amd-ceo-just-laid-out-companys-two-year-roadmap

So, they will be late for 3 years I believe since the last release?

[SkilledRebuilds]

So, they will be late for 3 years I believe since the last release?

Yeah, they are pretty late to the game with anything new or substantially better.

Comparing the 1100T and the FX6100 when they came out... what a laugh!!!

 

Their power reductions over time, and engineering, however...is TOP NOTCH and great to see, just a bad egg to start with, but after optimizing and adding new improvements,...they made a nice quiche out of it.

Would have liked to see each Core have its own Singular Integer/Floating point units, one of those two units, is shared among another core.

4 Cores = 2 modules, 2 modules with 2 integer units and 4 floating point (or the other way round, 2FP and 4Int)

I believe if they had 1:1 integer:floating counts, they'd be in a better position down the track (today)

[Sintezza]

i would say its time for lazy ass gaming devs, to create better gaming engines, for better cpu utilization.

Next to that, its time that application developers finaly get rid of those fishy intel compilers.

[JB780]

Intel's revenue is about 10 times what AMD's is, that alone is going to allow them to develop better products faster. 

Intel is in a very comfortable position at the moment delivering improving tech at reasonable prices on a consistent basis. I'm not saying AMD cpu's are bad necessarily, but dollar for dollar they can't match Intel. AMD has it's niche of budjet CPU's, but Intel will be the market share king unless AMD can do something that completely shakes things up.

[Castdeath97]

Intel's revenue is about 10 times what AMD's is. 

Intel is in a very comfortable position at the moment delivering improving tech at reasonable prices on a consistent basis. I'm not saying AMD cpu's are bad necessarily, but dollar for dollar they can't match Intel. AMD has it's niche of budjet CPU's, but Intel will be the market share king unless AMD can do something that completely shakes things up.

This is what worries me, I fear that intel might start to abuse its power more if AMD continues being 'late to the game' and lag behind.

[Toczix]

nah don't think so. I'm an intel fanboy and amd is stupid- Will kLENA

[pjm0925]

I hope they do, competition is good.

[Trik'Stari]

I just think AMD needs to ditch the whole APU thing. These aren't consoles we're playing on.

[bbrooking18]

It may be possible, but will require some serious R&D, which will be costly and expensive, I will say that until AMD completely pulls out of CPUs or goes under there is no reason they couldn't if they are willing to put the effort in, for the sake of advancement I hope AMD development something impressive and competitive in the next few years

[Castdeath97]

I just think AMD needs to ditch the whole APU thing. These aren't consoles we're playing on.

Maybe developments HSA will help, maybe....

[SkilledRebuilds]

I just think AMD needs to ditch the whole APU thing. These aren't consoles we're playing on.

If they could give me the damn Hybrid-APU Crossfire via the Dual-Socket (2P) Motherboards I've been tweeting them for years about, then that'd make a lot more people happier, maybe just me?

 

It would be a good move though... sell multiple APU's, put to a dual-socket motherboard, Hybrid-Crossfire /w HSA and all their inbuilt jazz, their pretty good at what their aimed at.

Imagine 4P-Systems!!!!!

 

Ditching might be too strong, lots of money to be made in the lower sector where AMD's stronger GPU's hold some crown, for now at least.

IPC of the APU's catching up to the FX's, pretty sure IMO this was AMD's original game plan, but didn't pan out to being fast enough nor foreseeable future gains that are 'good enough' to compete , so their milking them, and then we get news of the new ZEN platform in 2016.

That means more APU's regardless until then at least. (Still want my 4xAPU Crossfire)

[JB780]

This is what worries me, I fear that intel might start to abuse its power more if AMD continues being 'late to the game' and lag behind.

Lack of competition is always a concern, but as long as AMD doesn't get out of the CPU market all together it should be OK.

[Trik'Stari]

If they could give me the damn Hybrid-APU Crossfire via the Dual-Socket (2P) Motherboards I've been tweeting them for years about, then that'd make a lot more people happier, maybe just me?

 

It would be a good move though... sell multiple APU's, put to a dual-socket motherboard, Hybrid-Crossfire /w HSA and all their inbuilt jazz, their pretty good at what their aimed at.

Imagine 4P-Systems!!!!!

 

Ditching might be too strong, lots of money to be made in the lower sector where AMD's stronger GPU's hold some crown, for now at least.

IPC of the APU's catching up to the FX's, pretty sure IMO this was AMD's original game plan, but didn't pan out to being fast enough nor foreseeable future gains that are 'good enough' to compete , so their milking them, and then we get news of the new ZEN platform in 2016.

That means more APU's regardless until then at least. (Still want my 4xAPU Crossfire)

The problem I see is that the dual graphics/hybrid mode/ whatever you want to call it, can't be done with a high end gpu. So what's the point? Unless it can maintain 144hz at 1080p or great, most people wouldn't care.

[Briggsy]

AMD's next architecture has a bit of ARM technology under the hood, and rumours are abounding that AMD have nailed efficiency to the wall with their new yet-to-be-released cpu architecture. AMD stated (iirc) that the FX lineup isn't being abandoned, but its clear that they are up to something off in left field. The processor war is more a game of wack-a-mole than a race around a track. Intel are ahead with the current software demands, but those demands have been shifting for some time toward unified workloads, ever since the common PC moved from DOS to windows, and UI's become more animated and visual.

[dalekphalm]

Seeing that AMD haven't had any significant releases in CPU landscape made me wonder wether they plan on leaving the CPU business for APUs. This makes me worry that this would effect competition. I have not been that long informed into tech so I never understood why does AMD lags behind intel that much, but I thought that I'd like to see whether AMD may still have a chance to do a comeback (at least in budget CPUs)

As others have mentioned, such as @SkilledRebuilds, we have AMD's upcoming Zen platform to look forward to. It's due in Q1 2016, so we have about 13-15 months to wait. They brought back Jim Kellar, who was the lead architect that created their most successful and powerful (by comparison to other technology at the time) CPU ever: The Athlon XP series. Intel was so laughably behind the Athlon XP chip, that it wasn't even funny. Kellar has been working for Apple for the last decade or so, working on their A-series ARM SoC's. He's got a fantastic track record at Apple, and is single handedly responsible for AMD's success in the early 2000's.

 

I think they've got the team they need to make a great release. The biggest issue has always been money. Intel basically pours more money into R&D then AMD makes, period. AMD however, now has a nice income from the new gen consoles (PS4, XBox One, and Wii), their GPU division has always been really solid, and their current lineup is no different. And their APU's make a decent amount of money in the niche markets that they operate in.

 

AMD is on-track for success. I don't understand all the nay-sayers lately that keep proclaiming their "sudden-but-inevitable demise". All the evidence actually points to a huge turn around in the company.

 

AMD’s upcoming Zen platform in 2016 I believe, there are posts about their announcement and plenty of rumors, but they stated their new CPU's are coming.

 

Always a waiting game... http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/190026-amd-ceo-just-laid-out-companys-two-year-roadmap

Yep, here's another couple links on the subject:

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amds-lisa-su-expects-high-end-zen-x86-cores-set-to-be-available-in-2016/

http://wccftech.com/breaking-amds-gen-x86-high-performance-core-code-named-zen-debut-k12/

 

I'll wait and see, but AMD's upcoming portfolio, with x86 ZEN, and with the R9 3xx GPU's, looks fantastic. I'll definitely wait until the R9 3xx GPU's come out and then consider upgrading from my HD 7950. I'd go GTX 980 right now, but the 3xx GPU's as supposed to blow Maxwell out of the water. I'd rather wait and see what the reviews say!

[minicale]

Honestly I don't see AMD being in the processor market for that long there APUs are not anything special and there general cpus are not even close to intel.

 

They will probably linger around for a while to come as they supplied the processors for the 'next gen' consoles but unless they pull something massive out of the bag then intel are going to rule supreme.

[dalekphalm]

Honestly I don't see AMD being in the processor market for that long there APUs are not anything special and there general cpus are not even close to intel.

 

They will probably linger around for a while to come as they supplied the processors for the 'next gen' consoles but unless they pull something massive out of the bag then intel are going to rule supreme.

That's exactly what they plan to do with AMD x86 Zen. They are totally redesigning their x86 CPU architecture from the ground up. No more Piledriver or Bulldozer derived CPU's.

[Timmy-P]

Same as the above: they put the enthusiast FX line on the bench for the time being, and meanwhile they are focusing on their APUs, with the budget gamer and mobile market in mind.

Their next move is Q1 2015, with the Carrizo line, with emphasis on HSA and lower power consumption. Rumor has it it will remain on the FM2+ slot, and also speculation on either a DDR3/4 memory controller, maybe integrating both? I'd love to swipe their next Athlon with an unlocked multiplier, pair it with a liquid cooler and OC it to amazing performance. Am I wishing for too much? I hope not.

[IdeaStormer]

AMD has lost major ground man, we used to buy them by the boat load, well systems with AMD and we still have some of those systems as they are rock solid but since 2008 no one new AMD system, its been all Intel.

 

To get back on the road map to be considered they'll need to blow some doors off Intel, back in the day they had better I/O than Intel and were jumping Intel on the core count as well. These day's the weak core's or not true cores hits them so until they (and Intel) get off their pseudo core crap (hyperthreading) and just deliver true cores that will be something to get them back on track, maybe a true I/O storage bus for storage devices so it can take advantage of SSD tech and speed it up (even more).

 

As it stands no AMD is to be bought at our place.