gay marriage is legal in indiana now :D

[Guest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c

 

 

I really was planning to let it go, what does someone on the internet with a dissenting opinion about the right of others to the freedom of expression and their equal treatment under the law. Though I may disagree absolutely, what does it matter?

 

Though considering that I am a political blogger and have written for actual news organizations I think I'm going to lay this out clearly: you are a Fascist or a simpleton, though I think much of the latter.

 

The United States current form of "immigration" is causing a human rights crisis in both the Southwestern United States and Mexico akin to that of Syria. Vice, Russia Today, and The Young Turks along with many others have documented this appalling state of affairs that costs billions of dollars and destroys millions of lives. With Amnesty International, a organization that is far too cozy with the U.S. State Department to be too "liberal", has condemned the United States system of "immigration" citing that it is inhuman. 

 

 

http://rt.com/usa/168200-immigration-processing-center-warehouse/

http://rt.com/usa/165380-third-military-base-illegal-immigrants/

 

On the second erroneous and frivolous statement I'll add this. Religious organizations are either tax exempt or are private organizations that can refuse to perform same sex marriages.

 

The reason why I labeled you a Fascist so early on was not so that I can libel you, no, that would cheapen the word. I have spent the better half of the last year studying the National Socialist and other Fascist movements and their modern incarnations. Your complete ignorance of the law or it's implications is stunning, in that you so utterly condemn the what-ifs but fail to know or understand that they can't happen because of the law. Your inability to follow your own train of logic in that you have already admitted that you recognize that you don't "mind gay people", (thanks we really needed your approval), but refuse to extend to them the same rights and rites that everyone else has because they are "degenerates" and unworthy of societies recognition.

 

Though I may be gay that has nothing to do with my defense of same-sex marriage. I consider it an archaic and patriarchal institution that I never plan on joining, but just because I don't want it doesn't mean that others who have been outcast and often literally beaten down, don't deserve it. To stand for equality you must be universal in your application, without it you are a hypocrite. Unless there can be a legitimate argument leveled against said acceptance than it would follow that it should be allowed. Not just because "it's icky".

 

Basically. Grow Up.    

[mr moose]

. Religious organizations are either tax exempt or are private organizations that can refuse to perform same sex marriages.

 

I'd just like to add that regardless of the above statement, Religious institutions have spent the last 2000 years forcing homosexuals into outcast positions and removing any social right they had to acceptance, either by direct and deliberate action or by being used as a tool to do so by other controlling entities.  I have little care for their "rights", It's just their own attitude coming around again and biting them on the ass.  

[xXxYOLOxSWAGxXx_420BlazeIt]

I can't stand the BNP or UKIP for that matter but I do support some of their ideas, unlimited immigration is going to fuck everything up like it is doing. Immigration needs a cap and if the EU doesn't like it well they can screw off.

 

I was having an arguement with someone from Poland about immigration and he was saying that people are free to move their as much as they are to move to the UK and I responded that Poland is a shit hole with shit job prospects which is why people are leaving Poland in the first place. I currently live in Boston in the UK and goddamn they are everywhere and the local economy has declined where'as if immigration was capped then it wouldn't be as huge a problem like today.

UKIP are not comparable to the BNP at all.

 

They are a libertarian party that wants to make the UK a more business friendly country. The reason they are against gay mariage is because gay people were already able to get the same tax breaks and other financial deals as straight people are, except its called a civil partnership rather than a mariage.

 

 

 

One term tony is going to become a thing anyway. So hopefully our piss weak labour government will actually do something good.

If the Austrailian Labour party is anything like the british labour party then I would be very worried. The last thing ANY country needs is more welfare and regulation.

 

 

I really was planning to let it go, what does someone on the internet with a dissenting opinion about the right of others to the freedom of expression and their equal treatment under the law. Though I may disagree absolutely, what does it matter?

 

Though considering that I am a political blogger and have written for actual news organizations I think I'm going to lay this out clearly: you are a Fascist or a simpleton, though I think much of the latter.

 

The United States current form of "immigration" is causing a human rights crisis in both the Southwestern United States and Mexico akin to that of Syria. Vice, Russia Today, and The Young Turks along with many others have documented this appalling state of affairs that costs billions of dollars and destroys millions of lives. With Amnesty International, a organization that is far too cozy with the U.S. State Department to be too "liberal", has condemned the United States system of "immigration" citing that it is inhuman. 

 

 

http://rt.com/usa/168200-immigration-processing-center-warehouse/

http://rt.com/usa/165380-third-military-base-illegal-immigrants/

 

On the second erroneous and frivolous statement I'll add this. Religious organizations are either tax exempt or are private organizations that can refuse to perform same sex marriages.

 

The reason why I labeled you a Fascist so early on was not so that I can libel you, no, that would cheapen the word. I have spent the better half of the last year studying the National Socialist and other Fascist movements and their modern incarnations. Your complete ignorance of the law or it's implications is stunning, in that you so utterly condemn the what-ifs but fail to know or understand that they can't happen because of the law. Your inability to follow your own train of logic in that you have already admitted that you recognize that you don't "mind gay people", (thanks we really needed your approval), but refuse to extend to them the same rights and rites that everyone else has because they are "degenerates" and unworthy of societies recognition.

 

Though I may be gay that has nothing to do with my defense of same-sex marriage. I consider it an archaic and patriarchal institution that I never plan on joining, but just because I don't want it doesn't mean that others who have been outcast and often literally beaten down, don't deserve it. To stand for equality you must be universal in your application, without it you are a hypocrite. Unless there can be a legitimate argument leveled against said acceptance than it would follow that it should be allowed. Not just because "it's icky".

 

Basically. Grow Up.    

 

The stories you linked are about illegal immigration. I would say that it is more comparable to the current state of EU immigration, rather than the desired immigration. It is also a result of recent lobbying for the immigration reform.

 

Read Equal Treatment Directives 2006/54 and 2004/113 and then tell me that it is legal to refuse to service a person or couple based on their sexuality, race or gender.

Here is an example of what I mean: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/millionaire-gay-couple-suing-force-church-hold-wedding/ And again for a privately owned business: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23240113

 

 

And I have said multiple times that I find the gay pride culture to be very degenerate.

Here are some examples. Google "Gay pride" if you want to see more.

 

But you will probably lable it as "progressive" and pretend you see nothing at all wrong with it.

 

[mr moose]

UKIP are not comparable to the BNP at all.

 

They are a libertarian party that wants to make the UK a more business friendly country. The reason they are against gay mariage is because gay people were already able to get the same tax breaks and other financial deals as straight people are, except its called a civil partnership rather than a mariage.

 

 

 

If the Austrailian Labour party is anything like the british labour party then I would be very worried. The last thing ANY country needs is more welfare and regulation.

 

 

 

The stories you linked are about illegal immigration. I would say that it is more comparable to the current state of EU immigration, rather than the desired immigration. It is also a result of recent lobbying for the immigration reform.

 

Read Equal Treatment Directives 2006/54 and 2004/113 and then tell me that it is legal to refuse to service a person or couple based on their sexuality, race or gender.

Here is an example of what I mean: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/millionaire-gay-couple-suing-force-church-hold-wedding/ And again for a privately owned business: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23240113

 

 

And I have said multiple times that I find the gay pride culture to be very degenerate.

Here are some examples. Google "Gay pride" if you want to see more.

 

But you will probably lable it as "progressive" and pretend you see nothing at all wrong with it.

 

 

Don't know what your issue is, I see more skin at the beach on a Sunday afternoon and a lot more damaging imagery in computer games.

 

Also:

This directive applies to:

goods and services offered outside the area of private and family life

 

 

marriage is a service to a family and can be considered private.

[xXxYOLOxSWAGxXx_420BlazeIt]

Don't know what your issue is, I see more skin at the beach on a Sunday afternoon and a lot more damaging imagery in computer games.

 

Also:

This directive applies to:

 

marriage is a service to a family and can be considered private.

The Equality Act 2010 also applies to public and private services and goods.

[mr moose]

The Equality Act 2010 also applies to public and private services and goods.

 

Says right here to services outside the area of private and family life.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/rights/goods-services/index_en.htm

 

EDIT: if the church is a private organization that offers services to it's member then the EU has no jurisdiction.

[Biased Opinion]

If the Austrailian Labour party is anything like the british labour party then I would be very worried. The last thing ANY country needs is more welfare and regulation.

 

 

 

 

I would still prefer them to the LNP, the current government has become incredibly unpopular very quickly due to the fact that they have not delivered on any of their campaign polices and have generally screwed alot of people. I don't agree with most of the ways in which they are saving money such as cutting the NBN from FTTP to FTTN which will probably cost them alot more money in the long run and they are more in bed with corporations than the previous government. They refuse to acknolweded that climate change is even a thing and have not even appointed a minister to oversee the topic, cut funding to clean energy projects in favor of giving money to mining companies who do not need it at all. To top it all of the LNP indigenous policy has always been shit and that is something that more relevent to me than most people. They are trying to make this country more like America and that is something that does not need to happen.

 

I don't vote ALP as my first choice because i think that they are weak but i would prefer them to the LNP, and here in lies the flaw of a two party system.

 

EDIT: they are also selling off as many assets as they can on both a state and federal level which I personally thing is a fucking stupid idea.

[mr moose]

I would still prefer them to the LNP, the current government has become incredibly unpopular very quickly due to the fact that they have not delivered on any of their campaign polices and have generally screwed alot of people. I don't agree with most of the ways in which they are saving money such as cutting the NBN from FTTP to FTTN which will probably cost them alot more money in the long run and they are more in bed with corporations than the previous government. They refuse to acknolweded that climate change is even a thing and have not even appointed a minister to oversee the topic, cut funding to clean energy projects in favor of giving money to mining companies who do not need it at all. To top it all of the LNP indigenous policy has always been shit and that is something that more relevent to me than most people. They are trying to make this country more like America and that is something that does not need to happen.

 

I don't vote ALP as my first choice because i think that they are weak but i would prefer them to the LNP, and here in lies the flaw of a two party system.

 

EDIT: they are also selling off as many assets as they can on both a state and federal level which I personally thing is a fucking stupid idea.

 

How do you propose any party should deliver on their campaign promises when they have barely been in a year and get routed at every turn by the senate?  The state of the country is not the fault of the government at any one given second in time but the result of the all governance leading up to that point. 

 

The thing that saddens me most about Australians is that they are so polarized between two parties and can't see the bigger picture. 

[Hidden Orange]

I like how this thread has now become a political debate.

[mr moose]

I like how this thread has now become a political debate.

they always do don't they?  Besides it's politicians who get to decide the legality of Gay marriage.

[Askew]

i read india.

I read India too.

 

CALAVERACEPTION

[Hidden Orange]

they always do don't they?  Besides it's politicians who get to decide the legality of Gay marriage.

Or religious leaders... Oh shit! This thread is now going to be a religion and politics debate since I mentioned "religious leaders"...

 

Everyone! Look, it's a unicorn!

[mr moose]

Or religious leaders... Oh shit! This thread is now going to be a religion and politics debate since I mentioned "religious leaders"...

 

Everyone! Look, it's a unicorn!

 

Nice unicorn, religion has already been mentioned and dealt with.

[Hidden Orange]

Nice unicorn, religion has already been mentioned and dealt with.

Oh, what about drugs? Sex? Tabasco sauce? Land "rights"? War? Burial rights? Education? Edumacation? And what about crime and vigilantism? 

[mr moose]

Oh, what about drugs? Sex? Tabasco sauce? Land "rights"? War? Burial rights? Education? Edumacation? And what about crime and vigilantism? 

 

Ooh, landrights and edumacation, I am waiting eagerly for those but I don't want to be the one to start it.   I don't get burial rights though, once your dead who cares.   :unsure:  :blink:  

[Hidden Orange]

Ooh, landrights and edumacation, I am waiting eagerly for those but I don't want to be the one to start it.   I don't get burial rights though, once your dead who cares.   :unsure:  :blink:  

Some people get really fussy about where the dead need to be buried. Heck, some people even bury people against the wishes of the family. Case in point: Zahra Kazemi. She was buried in Iran so nobody could get their hands on her for a proper autopsy.

 

As for me, I'd be okay if I'm cremated and tossed over a cliff. Hopefully, it's a nice cliff with a beautiful river down below.

[mr moose]

Some people get really fussy about where the dead need to be buried. Heck, some people even bury people against the wishes of the family. Case in point: Zahra Kazemi. She was buried in Iran so nobody could get their hands on her for a proper autopsy.

 

As for me, I'd be okay if I'm cremated and tossed over a cliff. Hopefully, it's a nice cliff with a beautiful river down below.

 

Cremate me, throw me see, use me for medical science, I don't care.

 

The Iranians like many countries will do anything to avoid shit.  But that's basically what you get when your country is controlled by a dictator ship.

[Hidden Orange]

Cremate me, throw me see, use me for medical science, I don't care.

 

The Iranians like many countries will do anything to avoid shit.  But that's basically what you get when your country is controlled by a dictator ship.

She was Canadian, though. That's the main issue. Iran ignored that another world exists and did whatever the hell wanted. Then again, it's not their fault that humanity loves to impose their beliefs on everyone. Hell, if everyone said screw you, Middle East, I wouldn't be surprised if they banded together and attacked everyone for not giving them money, attention, and help. Their main resource is oil after all and if everyone found another source more profitable, I wouldn't be surprised if they threw a tantrum. Conflict is a part of human nature. We fight for peace through words, violence, manipulation, and corruption. Such an irony. The only true peace is when everything is dead - inanimate and animate all.

[Mooshi]

Threads like this really make it easy to figure out which users to ignore.

[ShiverMePenguins]

It worries me that this is happening. The western culture has become quite degenerate in the last few years. A huge push for recreational drugs and more over sexualisation of stuff.

 

I dont mind that people are gay, but I find the whole gay 'pride' events quite sickening. I used to live in a city (Manchester) that has a gay pride event. It consisted of men walking around essentialy naked, wearing the tightest underwear that they can find. I dont mind gay people, but that degenerate part of 'gay culture' needs to go, and I think thats why a lot of people have an issue with it.

 

 

Also, I dont think its right to lable somebody homophobic because thye dont agree that gay people should be allowed to get married. Its like calling people who are apposed to immigration racist. Its just dumb and stops and meaningful debate from happening.

While I understand what you're saying. the first few sentences bring other connotations because of it. Yes I heartily agree that the degenerate forms of the lgbt community should just stop, as is forcing your personal opinions onto others. I personally feel that if someone wants to get married let them, but the manner in which most pride communities go about it is just plain wrong.

 

It's like the slut-walks that happen in the u.s. now, basically promoting women dressing like whores just because they can.

[ShiverMePenguins]

I can't stand the BNP or UKIP for that matter but I do support some of their ideas, unlimited immigration is going to fuck everything up like it is doing. Immigration needs a cap and if the EU doesn't like it well they can screw off.

 

I was having an arguement with someone from Poland about immigration and he was saying that people are free to move their as much as they are to move to the UK and I responded that Poland is a shit hole with shit job prospects which is why people are leaving Poland in the first place. I currently live in Boston in the UK and goddamn they are everywhere and the local economy has declined where'as if immigration was capped then it wouldn't be as huge a problem like today.

The fact that Parliament has already allowed Muslim culture to invade and destroy much of britians Old standing cultural aspects is appaling. I'm all for extremely strict immigration laws, what with a good percentage of islamic teens participating in jihadist wars and murdering innocents in dozens of countries.

[Manny Calavera]

Or religious leaders... Oh shit! This thread is now going to be a religion and politics debate since I mentioned "religious leaders"...

 

Everyone! Look, it's a unicorn!

All worship the fat retarded unicorn ! Lmao! Best most peaceful religion ever.

[FireFox]

The fact that Parliament has already allowed Muslim culture to invade and destroy much of britians Old standing cultural aspects is appaling. I'm all for extremely strict immigration laws, what with a good percentage of islamic teens participating in jihadist wars and murdering innocents in dozens of countries.

 

I couldn't agree more, people think immigration needs to be stopped which also isn't good but I don't know how people think that uncontrolled immigration is a good thing. The UK should be more like Australia which has a yearly cap of something like 100,000 people and if that cap is reached then no one else enters the country

[mr moose]

Edit, saw your other post. Let's just agree that Abbott is an asshole.

 

I'll afford him the same courtesy I gave to julia gillard, kevin rudd, john howard, paul keating and Bob hawke. I'll wait until at least one term has passed and see how they have done before passing judgment.

[Calavera]

CALAVERACEPTION

I get confused sometimes too