Update to allegations from last year

[Dominik W]

LTT on Twitter posted an update to the allegations from last year.

 

https://x.com/LinusTech/status/1793428629378208057

 

Interesting findings. We'll see what the community reaction is.

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

"as confirmed by the investigation, the allegations made against the team were largely unfounded, misleading, and unfair"

 

I mean isn't that all just opinions? Making a tweet does not really clear things up but whatever I was more focused on the whole can of warms opened up by GN around that time. 

[Rocketdog2112]

An investigation paid for by the accused?

 

I'd still take them to court and let a jury decide.

[starsmine]

Just now, Rocketdog2112 said:

I'd still take them to court and let a jury decide.

How are you going to even get it to a court with a jury?

[Rocketdog2112]

4 minutes ago, starsmine said:

How are you going to even get it to a court with a jury?

What's stopping her from filling a lawsuit?

[Dominik W]

5 minutes ago, Rocketdog2112 said:

An investigation paid for by the accused?

 

I'd still take them to court and let a jury decide.

How? Police didn't bring charges, and neither did Madison. Hiring a firm is the most objective way possible when no lawsuits exist. It will always look shady, but unfortunately, that is how it is everywhere. At this point, we as a community need to ensure we always hold LMG to a high standard. And that's about it. 

[Dominik W]

Just now, Rocketdog2112 said:

What's stopping her from filling a lawsuit?

The fact that she hasn't filed one or made any complaints to the police. 

[starsmine]

1 minute ago, Rocketdog2112 said:

What's stopping her from filling a lawsuit?

a lawsuit does not get you a jury.

[Fasauceome]

I would have to wonder how useful a formal investigation would be, my idea was that a large portion of any alleged harassment any bullying was largely undocumented. As for unfair work practices, that seems a bit more discoverable in some ways, but can still be hazy.

[Rocketdog2112]

13 minutes ago, starsmine said:

a lawsuit does not get you a jury.

Depends...

In Canada,

Most civil cases in Canada are tried by judges without a jury. However, anyone charged with a criminal offence for which there can be a prison sentence of five years or more has the right to a trial by jury.

https://www.allanrouben.com/blog/is-there-a-constitutional-right-to-a-jury-in-civil-cases/#:~:text=There is no express provision,or a more severe punishment.”

 

In the United States either a judge or a jury can decide a trial in a civil case. If the plaintiff is seeking money damages of more than $20, the Constitution requires a jury trial unless both parties waive this right. If the plaintiff is seeking an injunction or another type of non-monetary remedy, a jury is not usually required.

https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/lawsuits-and-the-court-process/trials/#:~:text=Either a judge or a,jury is not usually required.

 

[Rocketdog2112]

6 minutes ago, Dominik W said:

The fact that she hasn't filed one or made any complaints to the police. 

And if she changes her mind?

[Rocketdog2112]

9 minutes ago, starsmine said:

a lawsuit does not get you a jury.

You laugh, but prove me wrong.

[Dominik W]

2 minutes ago, Rocketdog2112 said:

And if she changes her mind?

Well, she hasn't done so, and she's had plenty of time to do it. But yes, there is a possibility. 

[Rocketdog2112]

1 minute ago, Dominik W said:

Well, she hasn't done so, and she's had plenty of time to do it. But yes, there is a possibility. 

A woman scorned...

[GoStormPlays]

At this point, I want to hear from Madison. Assuming she did make this up, I'm very interested to hear about why she would want to make this up. I mean even during those allegations, she still did affirm LMG to some extent...

 

I guess the allegations from Madison could be false as no one else has spoken up (and when you have 200+ employees, I doubt you could keep people being treated poorly quiet for long).

[GoStormPlays]

41 minutes ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

"as confirmed by the investigation, the allegations made against the team were largely unfounded, misleading, and unfair"

 

I mean isn't that all just opinions? Making a tweet does not really clear things up but whatever I was more focused on the whole can of warms opened up by GN around that time. 

if you hire an outside source, then no.

26 minutes ago, Rocketdog2112 said:

An investigation paid for by the accused?

 

I'd still take them to court and let a jury decide.

what, you think Madison is gonna pay for it?

 

[Rocketdog2112]

4 minutes ago, GoStormPlays said:

if you hire an outside source, then no.

what, you think Madison is gonna pay for it?

 

Have you never heard of a lawyer that works on a contingency?

[GoStormPlays]

1 minute ago, Rocketdog2112 said:

Have you never heard of a lawyer that works on a contingency?

If they wanted to get the results they wanted, why even launch an "investigation" at all? If there's one thing that LMG knows very well, it's that being dishonest with an audience will do nothing in your favor. Your sins will find you out. That might work for other companies, but not this one.

 

[Rocketdog2112]

2 minutes ago, GoStormPlays said:

If they wanted to get the results they wanted, why even launch an "investigation" at all? If there's one thing that LMG knows very well, it's that being dishonest with an audience will do nothing in your favor. Your sins will find you out. That might work for other companies, but not this one.

 

And you remember how deep they dug that hole before finally admitting fault?

 

There's a feeling of being untouchable emanating from LTT.

[swimtome]

And in case you dont feel like logging into twitter:

 

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There were a series of accusations about our company last August from a former employee. Immediately following these accusations, LMG hired Roper Greyell - a large Vancouver-based law firm specializing in labor and employment law, to conduct a third-party investigation. Their website describes them as “one of the largest employment and labour law firms in Western Canada.” They work with both private and public sector employers.

 

To ensure a fair investigation, LMG did not comment or publicly release any data and asked our team members to do the same. Now that the investigation is complete, we’re able to provide a summary of the findings.

 

The investigation found that:

• Claims of bullying and harassment were not substantiated.
• Allegations that sexual harassment were ignored or not addressed were false.
• Any concerns that were raised were investigated. Furthermore, from reviewing our history, the investigator is confident that if any other concerns had been raised, we would have investigated them.
• There was no evidence of “abuse of power” or retaliation. The individual involved may not have agreed with our decisions or performance feedback, but our actions were for legitimate work-related purposes, and our business reasons were valid.
• Allegations of process errors and miscommunication while onboarding this individual were partially substantiated, but the investigator found ample documentary evidence of LMG working to rectify the errors and the individual being treated generously and respectfully. When they had questions, they were responded to and addressed.

In summary, as confirmed by the investigation, the allegations made against the team were largely unfounded, misleading, and unfair.

 

With all of that said, in the spirit of ongoing improvement, the investigator shared their general recommendation that fast-growing workplaces should invest in continuing professional development. The investigator encouraged us to provide further training to our team about how to raise concerns to reinforce our existing workplace policies.

 

Prior to receiving this report, LMG solicited anonymous feedback from the team in an effort to ensure there was no unreported bullying and harassment and hosted a training session which reiterated our workplace policies and reinforced our reporting structure. LMG will continue to assess ongoing continuing education for our team.

 

At this time, we feel our case for a defamation suit would be very strong; however, our deepest wish is to simply put all of this behind us. We hope that will be the case, given the investigator’s clear findings that the allegations made online were misrepresentations of what actually occurred. We will continue to assess if there is persistent reputational damage or further defamation.

 

This doesn’t mean our company is perfect and our journey is over. We are continuously learning and trying to do better. Thank you all for being part of our community.

 

My 2¢: Overall I'm glad we actually got the promised update, and that this wasn't left to be swept under rug.  

I wasn't the biggest fan of the defamation comment, but based on how people are still already saying they should sue, I can see the point of this being more of a "were firm - this is genuinely it" to everyone.

[TetraSky]

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We will continue to assess if there is persistent reputational damage or further defamation.

Meaning if she doubles down and keeps publishing stuff on twitter without any proof, they will sue.

 

A third party investigator would be reviewing video surveillance evidence, emails, memos and the likes to find traces of any misconducts. Whether we agree with the findings or not, would just be our subjective opinions not based on any facts. All we have are the words of one person and of another.

What we also have... Is the fact LMG employs a ton of people and so far only one has ever come out against the company after being delusioned by Boss Linus vs Camera Linus and the work culture. Meaning either they've changed for the better, or it was never a thing.

[Kaine_ver.1.22474487139]

She could have made it up... or she could have been honest. If the only evidence left at the end of the day was her word and the investigators can't get anyone they questioned to fess up then everything she accused someone of doing is "unfounded" to them. Regardless, I'm curious if she will stay quiet and accept defeat or go nuclear and name and shame who she was accusing back then.

[starsmine]

44 minutes ago, GoStormPlays said:

At this point, I want to hear from Madison. Assuming she did make this up, I'm very interested to hear about why she would want to make this up. I mean even during those allegations, she still did affirm LMG to some extent...

 

I guess the allegations from Madison could be false as no one else has spoken up (and when you have 200+ employees, I doubt you could keep people being treated poorly quiet for long).

Nothing about the LTT statement implies it was made up, just misrepresented.

[Skipple]

[Donut417]

1 hour ago, Rocketdog2112 said:

I'd still take them to court and let a jury decide.

She could get her day in court. From LMG's statement they have proof of no wrong doing and they could sue her for defamation of character.

 

The fact that she didnt sue or file a complaint with the government makes me think she was not telling the whole truth.