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Video games used to be better - What went wrong?

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The golden age of video games is over,

Now we are getting lots of bad video games especially from AAA studios.

Just look at the top sellers of today and the top sellers of 2011 - 2011 was one of the best years in the history of video games:

2011:

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Now days:

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I want to hear your opinions on why and how it went wrong and how to fix it.

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No idea, new games are not appealing to me.  Im literally playing either 7 Days to Die or LoTRO depending on my mood atm lol.  Oh and splash in some LoL cause who doesnt like a dose of cancer once in a while.

 

BUT if I just look at both lists, only Skyrim appeals to me (then, and now lol) - new games for new generations I guess

 

 

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Easy fix. Don't focus ton AAA games. They are only made for profit and everything in those games is made in such way as to extract the most amount of money they can, the gameplay is done badly on purpose just to sell you skips or other quirks, etc... 

 

There are plenty of good games still, just not well known and not the best graphics. But graphics never made games good so it's also up to your preference if you want to deal with that. 

 

Also many games are just a different iteration of old ones so you may be tired of basically playing the same game in different coat so that also may be reason why you find some of them boring... really lots of reasons and personal preferences. 

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5 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

No idea, new games are not appealing to me.  Im literally playing either 7 Days to Die or LoTRO depending on my mood atm lol.  Oh and splash in some LoL cause who doesnt like a dose of cancer once in a while.

 

BUT if I just look at both lists, only Skyrim appeals to me (then, and now lol) - new games for new generations I guess

 

 

Everyone has their preferences,

Though i think you are missing out 😄

5 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Easy fix. Don't focus ton AAA games. They are only made for profit and everything in those games is made in such way as to extract the most amount of money they can, the gameplay is done badly on purpose just to sell you skips or other quirks, etc... 

Yep, Older games and indie are the way to go now days.

7 minutes ago, WereCat said:

There are plenty of good games still, just not well known and not the best graphics. But graphics never made games good so it's also up to your preference if you want to deal with that. 

As a 90s kid i have no issues with worse graphics as long as it's not a 2D DOS game.

11 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Also many games are just a different iteration of old ones so you may be tired of basically playing the same game in different coat so that also may be reason why you find some of them boring... really lots of reasons and personal preferences. 

That reminds me of Far Cry 6... Oh Ubisoft...

I really liked the first 4 games in the series, but Far Cry Primal, Far Cry 5, Far Cry 6 are worse and repetitive iterations of the series.

Far Cry needs something new, something refreshing and the new games should be better than the old ones, not worse.

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2 minutes ago, Dean0919 said:

I think that in the past majority of AAA games were good with few bad ones and nowadays majority of AAA games are boring and plain bad with few exceptions of being good.

 

Personally, another problem I'm facing is that, I have bought a lot of games on discounts and now I'm facing a problem which one to play. Yesterday, I launched "Rainbow Six Extraction", played hour, then quit. Then same day I launched "Dirt 3" which is old game which I didn't finish yet, so I'm trying to, but racing games aren't my cup of tea. Same day I also launched games like "Blair Witch", "Ready or Not", "For Honor", "Resident Evil Revelations 2", "Rainbow Six Siege", "Battlefield 4", "The Division" & "NFS Heat" and then, at the end, I still didn't figure out which game to focus on and play. It feels like I still couldn't find a game which I would say I want to play this one! I know when weekend comes again, I will sit at my computer and start thinking which game to launch...

I have 2 games to help you with that:

Dragon Age Origins

Tales of Berseria

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1 minute ago, Dean0919 said:

Yesterday, I launched "Rainbow Six Extraction", played hour, then quit. Then same day I launched "Dirt 3" which is old game which I didn't finish yet, so I'm trying to, but racing games aren't my cup of tea. Same day I also launched games like "Blair Witch", "Ready or Not", "For Honor", "Resident Evil Revelations 2", "Rainbow Six Siege", "Battlefield 4", "The Division" & "NFS Heat" and then, at the end, I still didn't figure out which game to focus on and play. It feels like I still couldn't find a game which I would say I want to play this one! I know when weekend comes again, I will sit at my computer and start thinking which game to launch...

This happens to me a lot too. I downloaded Rainbow Six Siege after taking a hiatus due to hackers a couple years ago. So much has changed in the game that I just give up after 2 rounds. I get killed and have to wait for the next match and I get frustrated. Went back to BF2042 and after playing Battlefield 4 for many years, it's pretty damn decent except for the slim map choice. Specialist class is eh imo (rather have a 2nd gadget I can pick instead of a specialist). 

 

I also play Train Sim World 2 but stuck on one scenario where the game bugs out and derails...and that developer has already put focus on the third iteration so makes me not want to play a game from them anymore as they don't want to fix bugs. 

 

Otherwise, I go back to World of Tanks that I have been playing for 12 years and plan on continuing to do so, as much as that game frustrates me at times. 

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It's two fold.

 

We changed.

Profits have changed.

 

When I say WE changed, we've moved on. We're different individuals from those days with different schedules and priorities. We've been able to refine what we like far better and can critique, analyze and nit pick every new release because we know what we are looking for. The higher standards we have the less we're impressed. I can still boot up Skyrim for my younger cousin and because he's not used to playing such games and it's new to him, he'll be mesmerized, even when I've grown old to it and think it's severely outdated and don't enjoy it anymore.

 

In terms of profit, companies have realized that microtransaction models are the way to go and that children are a cash machine. Not only in games but in many other segments such as YouTube. A lot of huge franchises in the endless goal of more profit than last quater scavenge their own gameplay loops to appeal to the bigger audiences that pay more, those being kids. Only way to appeal to them more is to make it easier to digest and dumb the game's down. First victim was GTA 5, with a lot of things I though then and still do now are downgrades. Kids have no interest in things that were used to be valued like authenticity, realism and good foundations not riddled with plotholes.

But it's not all bad. We're in a new cycle where the giants are collapsing in on themselves, the grass underneath can start to grow. That's why the Indie and AA scene is thriving right now. Just remember that you as an individual are far more picky by what you want to spend your already little precious time in.

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1 minute ago, Dean0919 said:

Far Cry primal was quite unique in a completely different era. I enjoyed it. But yes, it was repetitive, but which Far Cry's weren't? They all had same style just with different eras or different locations.

I have played Far cry 1 (but don't remember it, because it was very long time ago), Far cry 2, Far cry 4, Far Cry primal & Far Cry 5.

The thing is with Far Cry is that if the story and the setting are good then it won't feel as repetitive and you actually want to continue playing the game and finish it.

As for Far Cry 3 - It was a good game, Vaas is one of the best villains in video game history.

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As a bad generalisation, games in distant past used to be about mechanics first, visuals 2nd, and story if you're lucky. It feels like modern AAA games have reversed that. They seem more like a vaguely interactive animated movie now. I like a good story, but at the same time, I want to do something impactful. Not button mash for 5 minutes between 30 minutes of cutscenes and walking around. I think technology is partially responsible for this. Do wonder if the art/asset budget of games nowadays is proportionally bigger than in the past.

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4 minutes ago, venomtail said:

When I say WE changed, we've moved on. We're different individuals from those days with different schedules and priorities. We've been able to refine what we like far better and can critique, analyze and nit pick every new release because we know what we are looking for. The higher standards we have the less we're impressed. I can still boot up Skyrim for my younger cousin and because he's not used to playing such games and it's new to him, he'll be mesmerized, even when I've grown old to it and think it's severely outdated and don't enjoy it anymore.

With that i disagree,

I think that the older games are better, even those i didn't play.

Currently i am on the hunt for older video games i didn't play - And those i find are so much better than the new games i encounter.

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13 minutes ago, porina said:

As a bad generalisation, games in distant past used to be about mechanics first, visuals 2nd, and story if you're lucky. It feels like modern AAA games have reversed that. They seem more like a vaguely interactive animated movie now. I like a good story, but at the same time, I want to do something impactful. Not button mash for 5 minutes between 30 minutes of cutscenes and walking around. I think technology is partially responsible for this. Do wonder if the art/asset budget of games nowadays is proportionally bigger than in the past.

IMHO there's more games with better storyline in the past than nowadays. At least in the JRPG sector.
I mean, if we look at, let's say, Final Fantasy.... IMHO the story degrades more and more.
For story + mechanic there was Legend of Dragoon, Xenogears

 

Somehow along the way to me it seems it became all about graphics and shit all to other aspects.

I do agree though that lousy mechanic becomes boring pretty fast, no idea how many games I ended up uninstalling halfway into the game due to boredom. If the story is interesting or intriguing at the very least I could treat it like I'm playing visual novel, but yeah... so far lots of them have blergh story.

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That depends probably on what types of games you play (stuff like doom, cod, batman, etc i couldn't even judge because those never appealed to me)

the types of games I'm playing,  didn't change much , although even there are sometimes some "modern influences" ala "press x to win"... (for example Tekken 3 was far superior,  had better animations and was more challenging than Tekken 7... heck even T5 and 6 were better than whatever T7 is... 🙃)

 

45 minutes ago, Vishera said:

With that i disagree,

I think that the older games are better, even those i didn't play.

Currently i am on the hunt for older video games i didn't play - And those i find are so much better than the new games i encounter.

i am currently trying to get some MSX(2) games (demos actually)  going... they look fantastic and right up my alley, and are actually modern, ie made in 2016+

 

 

But so far i have no luck with this stupid emulator,  i honestly dont know what's wrong,  either the ROM is too big (?) or I'm just not selecting the right BIOS modes...

 

made a topic, but emulation isn't exactly popular around here... i was still hoping someone would know... something... 😔

 

 

 

ps: i tried another emulator and got a little further... but am still stuck somehow...

 

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Because around 2011 publisher and dev found out that you can either rehash game over and over or make it a live service for many many years with micro transactions, or both.  

 

Also from your list not much have changed.

1. You have COD in both year.

2. You still have town/city planner (Anno 2070 vs Cities Skylines)

3. You still have single player RPG(Skyrim, Batman vs Dying Light)

4. If Fifa is available on Steam back in 2011 I'm sure it will be in the top seller list as well.

 

And no that 2011 list is not the best year in history of gaming. 

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1 hour ago, Vishera said:

Now days:

Naraka is actually... pretty good!

 

Samurai ninja action with rapid bows and flamethrowers somehow never gets old (no really its a fun take on "battle royale" imo...)

 

here's a live action presentation (which is great because the gameplay is *exactly* like that : p)

 

 

 

the only reason i stopped playing is this stick on a carot mechanic where they try to make you keep playing with "seasonal rewards" and stuff... i hate it, i wanna play on my own schedule,  which is impossible with this kind of "mechanic" (which is not unique to this game, unfortunately a lot of "modern" games are like that... and that's why i dont play those typically) 

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What happened?

 

Mostly rose colored glasses.

 

Not a ton in gaming has changed overall, except new tech has made new options possible.  (I was gaming before a majority of this forum was even a forethought, so I'm old, suck it up.)

 

Things that changed:

The Internet became both widespread, and fast enough to be useful.  When people were on 56K modems in the 90's and early 00's?  Nobody was gonna download a 500MB game patch, because that would LITERALLY take days.  Things *had* to work correctly, or they wouldn't come out.  (There were even large scale recalls of games in retail to fix /glaring/ issues that were found at / after launch.)

 

The internet allows for a level of multiplayer interaction that didn't exist before.

 

And honestly?  Graphics getting better changed things.

 

But overall?  Not much has changed.

 

There are still really good games that people DO play.  There are really "Why TF?!?!" games that people DO play.  There are also really REALLY Bad games that are popular.  It's been that way for decades.

 

So, honestly?  Life changes.  Deal with it.  If you don't like a game?  Don't buy it.  done and done.  

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1 hour ago, Dean0919 said:

I feel exactly same about Rainbow Six Siege. If you die you need to wait a lot until round ends and basically you're in a small action with lots of waiting and it definitely frustrates me too. That's why I don't play this game very often. Personally I liked playing PVE against bots on realistic difficulty better, but eventually I got bored of it too, especially devs don't care about PVE side of this game.

 

I love BF4 (don't have new BF2042), however problem with it, is that, you don't level up and develop new skills or unlock something useful. I mean, you level up, but you don't get anything exciting, basically leveling up isn't important in that game and I love games where you level up and unlock some new skills. That's why I loved Killing Floor 2, which is amazing online game, but eventually I leveled up all perks there to the maximum and even did all steam achievements lol. So, nothing else to do there either.

 

I think I will keep playing "For Honor" and R6 Extraction", but those games aren't perfect either and For Honor might be very frustrating sometimes. Lol there's a reason why this guide exists. I love "Ready or Not", but it's online is quite weak and not developed well, not like SWAT 4 back in the days, but single player against bots is quite challenging and interesting.

 

If they release new Dead Space, I will get it. I enjoyed that game. The single player games I enjoyed a lot are:

  • Dead Space franchise
  • Tomb Raider franchise
  • Hitman franchise
  • Dishonored franchise

R6S was my go to after Battlefield 4 for a couple years (2018-2020 or so) and being home after lockdown and everything going to Zoom conferences gave me more leisure time. I knew the ins and outs of the maps and which operators to pick from on certain maps. Now, I go back and I faintly remember them...a lot of new operators introduced into the game, reworked gun mechanics...basically to learn all over again and I get frustrated easily now. 

 

BF4 was a huge favorite of mine. I enjoyed all the maps, expansion packs, vehicle deployment. It's such a great game that I prefer over Battlefield 1. I've been at max rank and everything unlocked for years now and I'd just go to play in a tank on Golmud Railway to cause them havoc. BF2042 is a learning curve as now I have things to look forward to-leveling up in rank, unlocking new guns, unlocking previous BF3 guns such as the M16A3 which I just unlocked the other night and AK-74u. It appears they have "seasons" for new content as I just picked up the game a couple weeks ago so there's always new things. 128 players is mayhem and I get frustrated sometimes playing it against seasoned players. 

 

WoT has always been an enjoyable game for me. There is more tanks I can unlock if I were to go up other tech tree lines, working on improving my stats in game (personal, I know not very important as it's just a game). Some battles I've started to have more fun it and others I just want to throw the damn computer off the table. 

 

I got Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order and for a single player game is fantastic. The story line is good and the boss fights are challenging, which I struggle with sometimes after learning new skills in game and then going to play another game I forget which key combinations I have to use to fight them with. Tomb Raider is something I'd look into buying in the future. Another game of mine I enjoy but takes up a lot of time is Minecraft (mods, no vanilla). There's so much you can do but takes a long time to accomplish that it takes away from other game time, so I'm always conflicted in which game I want to play.  

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11 minutes ago, tkitch said:

Not a ton in gaming has changed overall, except new tech has made new options possible.  (I was gaming before a majority of this forum was even a forethought, so I'm old, suck it up.)

see above,  that's only partly true... dlc, pay 2 win and seasonal rewards, etc, etc changed how games are made a lot nowadays, it's true you can still play games without all that stuff, but the choices are limited, even more so if you like online games...

 

i actually tried Warzone for example... same thing, gameplay was somewhat fun, but they keep dangling "rewards" in your face, that you have to pay or can't get at all (seemingly) so i stopped playing that quickly.

 

i don't mind having to "work" for some stuff, but at least give me a straight path of what to do and let me do it on my own accord without "lootboxes" preferably. 

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47 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Because around 2011 publisher and dev found out that you can either rehash game over and over or make it a live service for many many years with micro transactions, or both.  

 

Also from your list not much have changed.

1. You have COD in both year.

2. You still have town/city planner (Anno 2070 vs Cities Skylines)

3. You still have single player RPG(Skyrim, Batman vs Dying Light)

4. If Fifa is available on Steam back in 2011 I'm sure it will be in the top seller list as well.

 

And no that 2011 list is not the best year in history of gaming. 

These games are different from each other...

Just because they belong to the same genre or franchise doesn't make them the same.

47 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

1. You have COD in both year.

I would choose MW3 any day over MWII - Dedicated servers, No MTX, Can be played offline, no season passes and stupid things like that

47 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

2. You still have town/city planner (Anno 2070 vs Cities Skylines)

This genre doesn't really appeal to me but they are different games each with it's pros and cons.

47 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

3. You still have single player RPG(Skyrim, Batman vs Dying Light)

They completely different!:

The Batman Arkham games are open world super hero Beat Em Up

Dying Light 2 is a survival horror game

Skyrim is a fantasy action-adventure RPG

47 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

4. If Fifa is available on Steam back in 2011 I'm sure it will be in the top seller list as well.

That's a speculation.

 

47 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

And no that 2011 list is not the best year in history of gaming. 

I didn't say it was the best, it's one of the best!

Skyrim, Batman Arkham City, Bully, Saints Row The Third, Total War Shogun 2, - All of these are very good games.

As for the others:

MW3 has an OK single player but the multiplayer experience is good.

Assassin's Creed Revelations is not a bad game but the previous games in the Ezio saga were better.

The rest of the games on the list i didn't play

 

As for the current day list:

They are not appealing to me,

Skyrim, Batman Arkham City, Bully are better than any of the games on the current day list.

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7 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

see above,  that's only partly true... dlc, pay 2 win and seasonal rewards, etc, etc changed how games are made a lot nowadays, it's true you can still play games without all that stuff, but the choices are limited, even more so if you like online games...

 

i actually tried Warzone for example... same thing, gameplay was somewhat fun, but they keep dangling "rewards" in your face, that you have to pay or can't get at all, so i stopped playing that quickly.

 

i don't mind having to "work" for some stuff, but at least give me a straight path of what to do and let me do it on my own accord without "lootboxes" preferably. 

That's a multiplayer centric reply, single player games are worse as well but for different reasons.

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56 minutes ago, Poinkachu said:

IMHO there's more games with better storyline in the past than nowadays. At least in the JRPG sector.
I mean, if we look at, let's say, Final Fantasy.... IMHO the story degrades more and more

That's why I said my last post was a bad generalisation. JRPGs do tend to be heavily story focused, past and present, so I wasn't focusing on that.

 

I have to say the main FF series is pretty dead to me. Peaked around 12. 13 was ok but didn't get into 15 at all. 7R is something I'd rather watch someone else "play" because it is a movie now. Despite the hype, I have zero hopes of 16 reversing this trend.

 

34 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

2. You still have town/city planner (Anno 2070 vs Cities Skylines)

I do like the city building simulation/management genre and don't feel it has suffered over time. Cities Skylines remains the at the peak of the genre. I played from the original Sim City in the early 90's. It doesn't suffer the problems I described. It isn't a fixed story, but a story you write yourself. Graphical upgrades do help the immersion, but it doesn't get in the way of mechanics which remain the core of the game. More tech allow for more complex mechanics and simulation detail.

 

I wouldn't consider Anno directly part of that branch since it is more competitive/combative, putting it more into RTS or 4X territory.

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1 hour ago, Vishera said:

With that i disagree,

I think that the older games are better, even those i didn't play.

Currently i am on the hunt for older video games i didn't play - And those i find are so much better than the new games i encounter.

True, we're all free to like, even play older games. I still play NFS MW, GTA SA, GTA 4 and Battlefront 2, 1.6, L4D2 and Red Faction Guerilla every now and again. Some still stand the test of time, some aged like fine wine, some have incredibly fun gameplay loops and some still have technological achievements many modern games of the same scope (not tech demos) are still yet to come close.

 

I just strongly believe that a Skyrim released in 2011 is far more impressive than if Skyrim released today, merely because you had so many more years since 2011 to get exposed to so many different mechanics that you've had time to hone in what you like and don't like. For example, for me, combat in 2011 was engaging but after playing games such as Mordhau I can't go back. Skyrim combat is now a real hurdle to get over with(downloaded a 3rd person Valhalla combat mod, we'll see if it makes Skyrim playable again).

I recently bought again AC4 and Far Cry 3, hoping to relive the days I did when I first played those games, and it's pretty meh. The gameplay loop of those 2 games has become so standardized I'm pretty sure we've all been playing Far Cry 3 for 10 years in one way or another. Most likely cause most FPS single player games still follow the same formula and I've gotten used to it, and bored from it.

Where as I recently started my 2nd playthrough of Witcher 2 and 3, last playing when those first came out, 11 and 7 years respectively, I had much more fun because not only is their respective gameplay loop unique enough not to become overplayed as an industry standard but other elements aged extremely well to the point where some of them are still part of modern game design.

 

And that's all subjective experiences, just an objective was of ratifying our subjection.

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23 minutes ago, Vishera said:

That's a multiplayer centric reply, single player games are worse as well...

Eh, yeah, well it *is* because that's where i perceive the biggest change personally...

 

there's a huge backstory for me regarding single player games, in short i didn't play all that much (outside of some really old stuff on nes, snes, megadrive, etc)

but things like first person shooters etc never really appealed to me... a lot of the "classics" i never played, hence i cant realistically judge how they changed .

^except the two i liked, which is Medal of honor (PS1) and Golden eye (n64) and i can tell you, they indeed dont make them like that anymore... 

 

What i did play mostly was stuff like, sonic, fzero, wipeout, ninja gaiden, devil may cry, battle arena toshinden, tekken... I'm just saying this kind of games didn't change much, depending on the franchise...

 

i also discovered Resident Evil way late (around 2008) and love the franchise since then, except the newer ones, im not going to play those... 

 

i actually have a very specific set of rules and features a game must comply with, otherwise in 99% im simply not interested,  and *those* games are still being made, and well, due to the nature of my criterias really didn't change much at all.

 

ps: basically im agreeing with you, "golden age" is over, im just saying some of those "golden age" games are still being made, thankfully. 

 

edit: also as in my first post,  emulation!  there are soooo many games in never played in their day and im having a lot of fun with those, for example Fatal Frame 2, played in emulator at "4k", great game, doesn't feel old or anything,  actually it's refreshing due to how unique it is... fast forward a few years and I'm playing Fatal Frame 5 on Steam, and besides the graphics it hasn't changed *at all* still pure genius 10/10 gameplay...!

 

Also definitely notice a trend here, the games i like (most)

 

Resident Evil

Fatal Frame 

Dino Crisis 

Devil May Cry

Monster Hunter

 

(they're all the same genre/mechanics basically,  mostly "tank controls", 3rd person, often prerendered backgrounds , "survival", inventory stuff, lots of unlocks, and so on, they're also all Japanese lol)

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Some random thoughts from me.

 

1) There is a thing called survival bias. When people talk about "games used to be better in the old days", or "music used to be better in the old days" or whatever, they only remember the good things that have survived the test of times.

There were probably a ton of shitty games released 10 years ago, but it's only the good ones that still gets brought up and as a result it's easy to get the impression that everything from 10 years ago was good.

 

 

 

2) There is probably a lot of nostalgia going on here. 10 years ago you probably had less things to worry about, more free time and less experience to judge things. As a result, you probably enjoyed things more. 

People always think that the things they experienced when they were younger were better than what they experience now.

 

3) I feel like "gamers" have changed over the years for the worse as well.

  • They have become more entitled and impatient. Everything should be perfect day 1 because in 3 weeks everyone has moved on to another flavor of the month game. One reason for this is that there is simply more competition out there and people have access to more games. "In the old days", you had to make due with the handful of games you had and as a result expectations were lower and flaws overlooked more often.
  • There is a lot of bandwagoning happening where some big creator hates a game and then their millions of fans start repeating the same things. It's fun to hate things and it makes you feel part of a community.
  • People have more access to help and resources which makes a lot of things trivial. People no longer have to experiment and figure out their own strategies. Whenever something difficult appears they just google it and find the solution.
  • When it comes to PvP, gamers have become way more serious and angry. Back when I grew up, "PvP" was mostly just playing split screen with your friends in the couch. We got mad at each other back then too, but there is a very big difference between being mad at your friend that sits next to you when you play some skirmish in Halo, and being mad at someone you have never met before because they did something you think is unfair in a highly competitive match where you get punished for losing.

 

4) Games have become a big industry and as a result more is at stake. It has gotten way more serious. The big games are no longer something two people in a garage make. It's something that companies pour millions of dollars into and have teams with hundreds of people develop. The risks and rewards are higher, and with the news often prioritizing negativity and outrage, we are more often bombarded with stories about the big failures rather than the successes.

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23 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Also definitely notice a trend here, the games i like (most)

 

Resident Evil

Fatal Frame 

Dino Crisis 

Devil May Cry

Monster Hunter

CAPCOM

 

Did you try Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen?

It's a CAPCOM Open world action-adventure RPG 😉

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13 minutes ago, Vishera said:

CAPCOM

 

Did you try Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen?

It's CAPCOM's Open world action-adventure RPG 😉

haha, yeah I know,  those are basically all Capcom : p

 well, Fatal frame isnt, but it could definitely be ! 🤔

 

Fatal Frame is also the most unique,  i mean half the game is in first person and i love it (the way the camera works,  changing film on the fly, evading, etc)

 

I tried Dragon's Dogma demo on ps3, didn't really click with me and also ran horribly (iirc)

 

that's another thing,  while I have a particular set of features etc i expect from a game, that doesn't mean I'll like *every* game that fits that category... for example Demons Souls... should be right up my alley,  but i don't like it, tried several times,  it's just boring to me (maybe it's the animations, i dunno)

 

i also didn't like Resident Evil at first, but somehow that clicked with me later on lol...

 

ps: i need to play Silent Hill (1+2) i think I'll like it, even though I played Silent Hill downpour and hated it... i think that's exactly one of those games that changed for the worse, its so boring... (didn't finish it)

 

 

 

 

 

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