4th gen Haswell K-series

[675409]

I have an i5-4590 and am noticing it's age quite well. I don't have the money to upgrade socket but would an upgrade to i7-4790k be beneficial. And does K series automatically boost higher without overclock

[Middcore]

Any money you put into this platform is just taking money away from getting on to a modern platform where an i3 will annihilate these chips. 

[Zando_]

By a good margin for these specific chips, yeah: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=80815,80807

 

700Mhz higher base and boost clocks, as well as hyper-threading, should be a noticeable difference even without an OC. 

[Alex Atkin UK]

8 minutes ago, Middcore said:

Any money you put into this platform is just taking money away from getting on to a modern platform where an i3 will annihilate these chips. 

Sure, a modern low-end chip might be 50-75% faster than the i7-4790k, but if you consider how much more it would cost to upgrade your CPU, RAM and motherboard, its not good value for money if you just need a bit more CPU power.

 

Of course your gambling none of your other components will die tomorrow, that your cooler wont need upgrading or your PSU, but still.

[WereCat]

I had overclocked i7 4770k and I felt the age of the chip and upgraded 2y ago... 

 

So ill say it this way. If you're beginning to be unhappy with your i5 then upgrading to i7 you get maybe one extra year of life with your platform before it will start bothering you again so unless you can get the i7 for dirt cheap... don't bother. 

 

As was said above me, even modern i3 will annihilate the old i7 in performance. 

 

I would suggest saving your money for a whole platform upgrade and play with what you have right now. 

[YoungBlade]

Just now, Alex Atkin UK said:

Sure, a modern low-end chip might be 50-75% faster than the i7-4790k, but if you consider how much more it would cost to upgrade your CPU, RAM and motherboard, its not good value for money if you just need a bit more CPU power.

Considering that a 4790K is going to cost over $120, and you can get a complete 12100F+H610+16GB DDR4 for about $240 ($290 if you choose a quality B660 board), I disagree. Especially if the OP only has 8GB of RAM right now, as that would then totally justify the extra cost.

 

Also, the 12100F has basically double the overall performance of a stock 4790K.

[Middcore]

3 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

Considering that a 4790K is going to cost over $120

This is the thing. The top Intel chips for previous-gen platforms always hold their "value" stupidly well, because there is always a market for people who want to make a (IMO) poor decision and "upgrade" to them without making a whole new build.

[IPD]

Everything before 8th gen is not supported for Win 11.  So keeping DDR3 and other assorted shite...is going to hold you back.

 

I agree with everyone else above.  If it's long enough in the tooth that you are considering an upgrade--just rip the band-aid off and upgrade everything.  Virtually every part of a PC will have drastically improved in the past 8 years.

[SpookyCitrus]

5 minutes ago, IPD said:

Everything before 8th gen is not supported for Win 11.  So keeping DDR3 and other assorted shite...is going to hold you back.

 

I agree with everyone else above.  If it's long enough in the tooth that you are considering an upgrade--just rip the band-aid off and upgrade everything.  Virtually every part of a PC will have drastically improved in the past 8 years.

6th and 7th Gen Intel CPUs are supported by Windows 11 now. Microsoft changed the requirements months ago. 

[WereCat]

13 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

6th and 7th Gen Intel CPUs are supported by Windows 11 now. Microsoft changed the requirements months ago. 

Isn't it just for some specifically selected 6th and 7th gen chips in certain laptops? I don't think it applies to the whole stack. 

 

Anyway, that's irrelevant for this topic anyways. 

[SpookyCitrus]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

Isn't it just for some specifically selected 6th and 7th gen chips in certain laptops? I don't think it applies to the whole stack. 

 

Anyway, that's irrelevant for this topic anyways. 

I know it's irrelevant, I was just clarifying for the person before me that brought it up. Afaik it's the whole lineup of CPUs but is only installable via ISO file unlike 8th Gen or above that can auto upgrade/ upgrade though Windows Updater. And it's the same with Ryzen 1000 Series as well.

[dizmo]

Depends on the cost of the i7. If you're paying a lot for it, no, I wouldn't get it. If it's cheap? Yeah, it'd be a decent way to briefly extend the life of your computer. Just don't expect amazing leaps and bounds in performance.

 

37 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Sure, a modern low-end chip might be 50-75% faster than the i7-4790k, but if you consider how much more it would cost to upgrade your CPU, RAM and motherboard, its not good value for money if you just need a bit more CPU power.

 

Of course your gambling none of your other components will die tomorrow, that your cooler wont need upgrading or your PSU, but still.

The chance of components just dying is quite low. While I don't hold onto systems for more than a couple of years, my dad holds onto them for ages, and the majority of his components all last. I build with used components, all of mine have lasted. PSU won't need upgrading if he's just swapping out a CPU, and if he was going with modern budget components they don't use much power either; likely less than what he's using now.

19 minutes ago, IPD said:

Everything before 8th gen is not supported for Win 11.  So keeping DDR3 and other assorted shite...is going to hold you back.

 

I agree with everyone else above.  If it's long enough in the tooth that you are considering an upgrade--just rip the band-aid off and upgrade everything.  Virtually every part of a PC will have drastically improved in the past 8 years.

I don't really think that should be a huge consideration, especially for someone just looking for a little more longevity out of their system. People aren't going to have to switch for a few more years.

[IPD]

27 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

6th and 7th Gen Intel CPUs are supported by Windows 11 now. Microsoft changed the requirements months ago. 

I have an i7-6700HQ that windows insists won't work.

[675409]

14 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Depends on the cost of the i7. If you're paying a lot for it, no, I wouldn't get it. If it's cheap? Yeah, it'd be a decent way to briefly extend the life of your computer. Just don't expect amazing leaps and bounds in performance.

 

The chance of components just dying is quite low. While I don't hold onto systems for more than a couple of years, my dad holds onto them for ages, and the majority of his components all last. I build with used components, all of mine have lasted. PSU won't need upgrading if he's just swapping out a CPU, and if he was going with modern budget components they don't use much power either; likely less than what he's using now.

I don't really think that should be a huge consideration, especially for someone just looking for a little more longevity out of their system. People aren't going to have to switch for a few more years.

i am able to buy one for $40 dollars anytime I want at a local store. Also I am majorly cpu bound, maybe even ram bound so I am guessing this will help quite a bit

[dizmo]

16 minutes ago, 675409 said:

i am able to buy one for $40 dollars anytime I want at a local store. Also I am majorly cpu bound, maybe even ram bound so I am guessing this will help quite a bit

Could always try it. $40 isn't too bad for the price of the upgrade, maybe you could get the shop to buy your old i5 off you for a very slight discount.

 

[Alex Atkin UK]

2 hours ago, YoungBlade said:

Considering that a 4790K is going to cost over $120, and you can get a complete 12100F+H610+16GB DDR4 for about $240 ($290 if you choose a quality B660 board), I disagree. Especially if the OP only has 8GB of RAM right now, as that would then totally justify the extra cost.

 

Also, the 12100F has basically double the overall performance of a stock 4790K.

Depends on your region, I'm seeing the 4790K on eBay in the UK for almost half the price of a 12100F, about half the price it was a year or two ago.

 

Where are you seeing 12100F double the performance?  That surely depends on the workload which has not been described.

 

1 hour ago, 675409 said:

i am able to buy one for $40 dollars anytime I want at a local store. Also I am majorly cpu bound, maybe even ram bound so I am guessing this will help quite a bit

Do you have an SSD boot drive?  That makes a HUGE difference in how sluggish the PC feels.  Made my 4590 go from being painfully slow to perfectly usable, though I do have twice as much RAM.

[YoungBlade]

5 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Where are you seeing 12100F double the performance?  That surely depends on the workload which has not been described.

I said "overall performance," as in, when 100% utilized. So for rendering, code compilation, and other core heavy tasks. If you compare the two in applications like Blender, the 12100F will complete the workload in half the time, and in Cinebench it scores about double.

 

Yes, in games, the result will be closer today, but over time, as games use more of the CPU, the 12100F will likely settle in at around double the overall performance - when both are maxed out at 100% on all cores and threads.

[SpookyCitrus]

2 hours ago, IPD said:

I have an i7-6700HQ that windows insists won't work.

Are you trying to upgrade it through Windows update? Or are you manually  installing with an ISO file on a flash drive? There are plenty of guides on how to do it correctly. In order to install on 6th or 7th Gen you have to use an ISO install off of a flash drive not through the updater or media creation tool.

 

[675409]

1 hour ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Depends on your region, I'm seeing the 4790K on eBay in the UK for almost half the price of a 12100F, about half the price it was a year or two ago.

 

Where are you seeing 12100F double the performance?  That surely depends on the workload which has not been described.

 

Do you have an SSD boot drive?  That makes a HUGE difference in how sluggish the PC feels.  Made my 4590 go from being painfully slow to perfectly usable, though I do have twice as much RAM.

I do have an ssd as a boot drive, ans it is at 40% capacity