UK Govt. will announce controversial new "Online Harms" bill tomorrow

[poochyena]

4 minutes ago, Kisai said:

I'll simplify the explanation this way. If you call into customer service of your wireless carrier, bank or some other service you need credit to have. They have your information on file. If you piss off the customer service rep enough, do remember that they know where you live. Be nice. It would not surprise me if doxxing-swatting events are involve bad actors working at outsourced customer support centers.

none of that cleared up the meaning of doxxing.

5 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Why would you trust an Adult site at all?

Same reason I would trust any other company.

6 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Doesn't matter, the billing service will cut your service off if they discover -any- illegal content on the site.

Illegal content has been uploaded to nearly every single website that allowed user uploads, yet, I can still use my credit card and nearly every single one of those websites. How do you explain this?

10 minutes ago, Kisai said:

Legit sites, vet the creators, tell them exactly what is allowed, and do not allow them to put content up that violates it. Live streaming sites have an extra problem where the streamer may screw up in real time and violate something, or do something illegal. To make matters worse, many live streaming sites, adult or not, are intentionally vague about what will get the streamer kicked off the site so they can make arbitrary judgement calls if the streamer has bent the rules too much that the merchant gateway decides to threaten the site.

 

That's what happens with Patreon and Kickstarter. Adult content has to be hidden, and certain payment options are restricted already precisely because the merchant gateway will cut service to the entire site if the rules are not followed.

I'm aware of this. How does any of that connect to the topic on hand?

[Kisai]

15 minutes ago, poochyena said:

 

Illegal content has been uploaded to nearly every single website that allowed user uploads, yet, I can still use my credit card and nearly every single one of those websites. How do you explain this?

 

You've not managed such a website clearly.

 

In the backend, UGC sites get anywhere from dozens to millions of requests to remove content from copyright holders per month. If a website has a DMCA mechanism, they will remove it. That's how the site is permitted to continue to exist. 

 

To take the biggest auction site in the world as an example, you only see like 1/1000th of the violating UGC on the site, and the reason it's still there is that either nobody complained about it, or the copyright/trademark holder is slow to action. Staff is not permitted go on a fishing expedition. If it's not reported, it does not exist.

 

[poochyena]

36 minutes ago, Kisai said:

To take the biggest auction site in the world as an example, you only see like 1/1000th of the violating UGC on the site, and the reason it's still there is that either nobody complained about it, or the copyright/trademark holder is slow to action. Staff is not permitted go on a fishing expedition. If it's not reported, it does not exist.

So you agree that there is illegal content uploaded to website and those websites still accept payments. So what are you arguing against?

[Imbadatnames]

On 3/18/2022 at 4:14 PM, Master Disaster said:

I know its not your area but is it worth raising this with Luke and the Floatplane team? Floatplane is likely more of a concern for LMG than these freely provided forums

They’re not free dude, there’s ad trackers on here and ads. Paying for them with your data. 

[TheReal1980]

I am sure that this will not be used for political reasons...

[Elijah Kamski]

Australians: Well damn, I guess we'll be following next if we haven't really already.

I'll try not to get into politics here as well, but I'd just like to say...

F to pay respects for those in the UK XD

You're all being consistently bent over in the online world XD

[Elijah Kamski]

14 hours ago, TheReal1980 said:

I am sure that this will not be used for political reasons...

Indeed, it's definitely for legitimate use and not to silence political opposition.

[Elijah Kamski]

On 3/18/2022 at 6:31 AM, LinusTech said:

We literally don't even have any actual paid staff who work on the forum other than basic software maintenance at this point.

 

If LTT forum gets cut off in the UK, it gets cut off, I guess. We'd have to figure out compliance at some point in the future and appeal it then.

No need, I'd say most people already know what VPNs are, and are aware of the existence of Tor in case things go bad.

[Elijah Kamski]

On 3/18/2022 at 9:24 AM, Arika S said:

Didn't they announce this in 2019 with a porn pass? Or will you now need to give porn sites government issued ID? 

And how will it work with sites like Twitter and reddit that aren't explicitly porn sites, but have a lot of porn on them?

Social media license.

Obtainable via your local police office, order online or in person.

- UK Government, 2022

[Albal_156]

On 3/17/2022 at 7:09 PM, Master Disaster said:

If this things passes tomorrow then the internet in the UK is in for a big shake up, lets just hope they haven't stealthed more stuff in that we don't know about.

 

After the PCSC Bill (Police Crime Sentencing and Courts) tried to effectively end all forms of peaceful protest and they introduced really bad amendments that endangered freedom of speech AFTER the Bill had passed through the Commons (the Lords thankfully smacked it down) I would not be surprised.

I do worry that smaller sites which perform similar functions to Instagram (who here has heard of Fanhouse?) will get buried by the mountain of legislation work to make their sites work in the UK and then someone does something bad on their platform and then the site is just blocked forever as they can't handle the fines. However after the numerous stories of self-harm and then teenagers who went on to commit suicide because of posts on Instagram I feel better that something is being done about this.

After the numerous instances of porn being broadcast on Twitch over the years I do wonder whether this will just mean sites that can't definitively control outputs on their platforms, e.g. live streaming sites, will just get blocked. Will repeated violations mean a complete block is placed? This Bill gives a lot of power to Ofcom to make those decisions. Though Twitch is very big and Amazon could probably fork out the money to pay off fines by Ofcom if they needed to.

 

Could Reddit be blocked in future for example?

Edited March 20, 2022 by Albal_156
Adding another thought I had.

[Kisai]

On 3/19/2022 at 1:58 PM, poochyena said:

So you agree that there is illegal content uploaded to website and those websites still accept payments. So what are you arguing against?

Those sites have staff that actually are paid to remove illegal content.

 

Your average website, porn or not, is not big enough to hire a full time moderator. I don't even think LTT has paid moderators.

[poochyena]

8 hours ago, Kisai said:

Those sites have staff that actually are paid to remove illegal content.

 

Your average website, porn or not, is not big enough to hire a full time moderator. I don't even think LTT has paid moderators.

which, again, for something to be removed, it had to have been there to begin with.

[SimplyChunk]

22 hours ago, Albal_156 said:

Could Reddit be blocked in future for example?

Reddit SHOULD be blocked in the future..Heck it should be blocked now lol

 

they shut down voat don't forget

[Sauron]

On 3/17/2022 at 8:09 PM, Master Disaster said:

But shadow culture secretary Lucy Powell likened said the bill's delays had "allowed the Russian regime's disinformation to spread like wildfire online".

Damn, I didn't know Putin was active on pr0nhub

[Elisis]

3 hours ago, SimplyChunk said:

they shut down voat don't forget

That's because Voat was awful though

[Mark Kaine]

5 hours ago, SimplyChunk said:

Reddit SHOULD be blocked in the future

reddit aint necessarily bad, especially the smaller reddits, plus a lot of things you literally cant find anywhere else , mostly stuff like fixes for games etc. but it definitely has a lot of downsides too - especially the bigger ones - they are toxic and basically the rules allow only "meme posting" everything else seems "offensive" lol.

 

5 hours ago, SimplyChunk said:

voat

The what? 

[WhitetailAni]

6 hours ago, SimplyChunk said:

Reddit SHOULD be blocked in the future..Heck it should be blocked now lol

Here's the thing: reddit has archives of so MUCH STUFF. Some things I search for there's guides only on reddit, like how to use cherryflowerjb or where to find a backup.

If that's gone? Poof, you just screwed over a lot of people.

[SimplyChunk]

7 hours ago, Elisis said:

That's because Voat was awful though

Yeah..Probably to be fair

 

4 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

reddit aint necessarily bad, especially the smaller reddits, plus a lot of things you literally cant find anywhere else , mostly stuff like fixes for games etc. but it definitely has a lot of downsides too - especially the bigger ones - they are toxic and basically the rules allow only "meme posting" everything else seems "offensive" lol.

 

4 hours ago, FakeKGB said:

Here's the thing: reddit has archives of so MUCH STUFF. Some things I search for there's guides only on reddit, like how to use cherryflowerjb or where to find a backup.

If that's gone? Poof, you just screwed over a lot of people.

That first line was a joke i missed my /j again

 

4 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

The what? 

Short answer? Reddit clone.  If you want the long answer then i'm gonna take the fifth..

[mr moose]

On 3/18/2022 at 9:24 AM, Arika S said:

 

Didn't they announce this in 2019 with a porn pass? Or will you now need to give porn sites government issued ID? 

And how will it work with sites like Twitter and reddit that aren't explicitly porn sites, but have a lot of porn on them?

If I remember rightly porn pass was something you could buy over the counter at a newsagent.  You just showed your DL and bought a pass.  If the newsagent could be arsed trying to remember your name and the umber on the card he gave you then you might be able to be tracked,  but I highly doubt anyone cars. 

On 3/19/2022 at 4:01 AM, sof006 said:

Not sure how they are going to enforce this, are they going to police every single website on the internet? 

Like every other law,  infringing websites will be dealt with as they arise in the system.  Most likely it will be like council related issues, i.e someone has to report a website/issue in before they even look at it.

On 3/20/2022 at 5:34 AM, Kisai said:

I'm not sure people realize this, but "verification" = "doxxing"

Doesn't have to,  IIRC one of the proposals was no more likely to result in doxxing than buying a prepaid visa card.