Needs more salt - Intel Raptor Lake CPU Falls to Core i9-12900K, Ryzen 9 5950X in Early Leaked Benchmark

[Lightwreather]

Summary

Hardware detective Komachi_Ensaka has dug up what appears to be the first benchmark for Intel's Raptor Lake processors

 

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BAPCo's Crossmark software labeled the 13th Gen Raptor Lake chip as a "Genuine Intel 0000" processor, so its exact model is unknown for the moment. Therefore, we should take the specifications with a pinch of salt since it's normal for software to misreport unreleased hardware.

According to the report, the Raptor Lake processor reportedly wields 24 cores and 32 logical cores. For reference, the Core i9-12900K comes with eight Golden Cove cores and eight Gracemont cores, for a total of 16 cores and 24 logical cores. It's possible the core count is from a reporting error on the software's part, but more likely is that Intel has upped Raptor Lake's E-core count. There have been rumors that Intel might add more Gracement cores to Raptor Lake, and the report on the mystery Raptor Lake processor indicates an 8P+16E design.

The person or company that tested the Raptor Lake processor has erased the submission from Crossmark's database, which isn't too surprising. In fact, Intel has a history of close ties with Business Applications Performance Corporation (BAPCo), the company that created the Crossmark benchmark.

 

My thoughts

So, take this with a large heap of salt. This is almost certainly not going to be the final (or even near to) the performance that one can expect from it. But it might show that Intel is very likely in the process of validating the µarch on early samples. Welp, I'm going to have to go to bed soon, so hence, why I'm keeping this short. BUt yea, take this with a mountain of salt and wait, pretty certain we might see it by the end of 2022.

 

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Tom's Hardware

Komachi_Ensaka

[ebprince the computer nerd]

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Intel's Raptor Lake processors

What the heck is that name? I thought Alder Lake was already bad. (at least not as bad as sony for their smartphones)

 

Also, we should take a big grain of salt, but if these are real performance benchmarks, AMD might beat Intel again. Then, Intel might pull a “Rocket Lake” move on us and downgrade the processors, then do an “Alder Lake” move and beat AMD, and it just goes on and on and on. Please Intel, I have faith in you.

[CTR640]

Intel should name it "Salt Lake" or something or "Miserable Lake*.

[DildorTheDecent]

>Early BIOS that barely supports the chip.

>Eng sample that's low clocked.

 

Tom's Hardware posting mindless drivel again.

[Mark Kaine]

52 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

>Early BIOS that barely supports the chip.

>Eng sample that's low clocked.

 

Tom's Hardware posting mindless drivel again.

Kind of the point for leaks, just get the name or "info" out,  good news or bad news doesn't matter (spinning comes later and is not subject of "leaks")

 

 

[DildorTheDecent]

28 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Kind of the point for leaks, just get the name or "info" out,  good news or bad news doesn't matter (spinning comes later and is not subject of "leaks")

 

 

The issue is with the write up. Tom's banging on about how it's garbage when even a Redditor can figure out that it doesn't represent the final product as it's just an engineering sample.

[PeachGr]

5 hours ago, ebprince the computer nerd said:

thought Alder Lake was already bad.

There was also coffee lake and whisky lake, so they can always do worst

[CarlBar]

I think the big question is: Is this the I9 or a lower skew? Obviously as an early sample i don't expect it to be anywhere near final performance either but weather this is an I9 or an I7 would be very interesting info.

[tim0901]

4 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

I think the big question is: Is this the I9 or a lower skew? Obviously as an early sample i don't expect it to be anywhere near final performance either but weather this is an I9 or an I7 would be very interesting info.

The 8 + 16 core count matches up with the previously leaked listings for the i9, with the i7 coming in as an 8+8 config.

 

The previously leaked roadmap also suggested scaling up to 8 + 32 by 15th gen core (2023), but who knows what might change by then. It also detailed the move to TSMC 3nm for 2024's release and claimed that a brand new core architecture design was being developed from the ground up (just like Ryzen) for 2025's release that would supposedly be "the biggest architectural change in CPI architecture since the introduction of the Core architecture in 2006" - this is supposedly what Glenn Hinton was hired to work on back in January of this year.

 

It certainly seems like Intel has big plans and I'm excited to see what happens (real competition???) but of course it is just a leaked roadmap and even if it is accurate from the source, we all know that roadmaps don't always run to schedule - especially when you're looking 3-4 years into the future. 

 

 

 

... yes it scared me too that 2025 is only just over 3 years away.

[MultiGamerClub]

"aNy gOoD pR iS gOoD pR"

 

No.

[CarlBar]

On 12/5/2021 at 12:58 AM, tim0901 said:

The 8 + 16 core count matches up with the previously leaked listings for the i9, with the i7 coming in as an 8+8 config.

 

Late getting back to this, but wasn't aware of that, oops. Honestly not sure how good this is going to be. Will it blow Zen 3 out of the water? Sure. But it's going to be competing against Zen 4 and i'm not sure some more E cores are going to let it keep up there, depending ofc on what AMD is planning. Details seem painfully sparse on that atm.

[dizmo]

What's the point of even posting this when you know full well that's not going to be the performance at launch...which is ages away? 

[Fnige]

On 12/5/2021 at 7:17 AM, DildorTheDecent said:

Tom's banging on about how it's garbage when even a Redditor can figure out that it doesn't represent the final product as it's just an engineering sample.

I think you're being a little too optimistic there

[CarlBar]

1 hour ago, FnigePython said:

I think you're being a little too optimistic there

 

He's referring to the original source Reddit post Toms Hardware was using. The person who first spotted the leak was clearly aware of the effect early BIOS and early sample was having.

 

Honestly thinking some more i have to wonder how much memory Bandwidth is going to limit performance on the final product. Lets be fair it's really just going to be the current i9 but with another 8 E cores and some minor tweaks from what we know so far. On paper thats a decent but not eye popping productivity workload boost and a limited if any boost for gaming. But that assumes productivity side that the memory bandwidth isn't a limitation. To be fair doesn't seem to be an issue with the current generation, but not sure how well that will hold, so those 8 extra E cores may not end up giving as much of a performance bump as expected.