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can intel compete?

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well ryzen 5000 is at market and it seems amd has gave up on value for some reason and focused on performance and well intel is in problem and there is not much hope for rocket lake it has more ipc and a better architecture and thats about it

intel has been stuck in 14nm for 5 generations (which as der8auer examined isnt as bad as people make to be) imo intels problem is being stuck with skylake for so long and because of inefficiency in architecture performance per watt and heat output are bad ( dont quote me on that though) and it seems like intel has been testing some things in mobile stuff  to check if they can yield good results or not because there are less eyes on them stuff like new core design and 10nm node that was tested in ice lake cpus and will be implemented in rocket lake or BIG-little core layout that was tested in lakefield cpu  and will be implemented in alder lake (12th gen) 

imo intel has been doing some work behind the scenes and in 12th and 13th gen (or heck maybe even 11th gen) intel might strike again

an one other thing that i still like about intel is they lunch the full line up at same time (except like celeron) not like amd that lunches low end stuff much later

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I mean lmg did a nice and simple to read graph of the predicted performance increase 11th gen will have and what it basically comes down to is that IF the claims are accurate and scale perfectly across the board then intel will just be back to how it was with zen 2 vs 10th gen situation at best.

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Just now, RTX 3090 said:

No

did you even read it?

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Just now, mahyar said:

did you even read it?

Yes, I did, but intel has dug them selves a hole so big (staying on 14nm for the last decade, not making any progress in CPU's for ages) whilst amd is improving their design, they will never recover from it

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1 minute ago, RTX 3090 said:

Yes, I did, but intel has dug them selves a hole so big (staying on 14nm for the last decade, not making any progress in CPU's for ages) whilst amd is improving their design, they will never recover from it

why?

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I think they could fight back and level it out at least until another leapfrog by AMD, of which they could probably respond with another leapfrog/leveling.

 

But I think assuming AMD maintains this momentum, Intel's glory days are well and truly behind them. They do make nice products, but ever since AMD struck back and returned to relevance in the desktop, Intel's struggled for quite a bit. I'm confident they can make it out, but I highly doubt they will return to dominance, especially with ARM being what it is right now.

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Just now, mahyar said:

why?

If AMD continues to keep progressing in their design at the same pace as intel, they will always be slightly ahead if them (and thats if intel improves their designs) and it will take a long time to catch up, so for the time being, it is very unlikely that they will catch up in the next few years

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I have no sympathy for Intel. Their management is idiotic and fully did this to themselves

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I think they could fight back and level it out at least until another leapfrog by AMD, of which they could probably respond with another leapfrog/leveling.

 

But I think assuming AMD maintains this momentum, Intel's glory days are well and truly behind them. They do make nice products, but ever since AMD struck back and returned to relevance in the desktop, Intel's struggled for quite a bit. I'm confident they can make it out, but I highly doubt they will return to dominance, especially with ARM being what it is right now.

well setation of arm and x86 is like windows and linux 

linux isnt a huge competitor due to low market share and software support but it will compete with windows on a higher level pretty soon 

 just like x86 and arm

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

I have no sympathy for Intel. Their management is idiotic and fully did this to themselves

Maybe if they didn't charge the same price as a motherboard for a CPU, and change chipsets every generation, it would still be an option, but otherwise, why should I buy a mitherboard that only works with 1 generation of CPU's and pay a premium for it. I

Please tag me @RTX 3090 so I can see your reply

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I have no sympathy for Intel. Their management is idiotic and fully did this to themselves

this is not what discussion is about

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22 minutes ago, RTX 3090 said:

No

Of course it can. Literally just using AMDs comeback as an example shows Intel has a very good chance. They still have an enormous market share.

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12 minutes ago, RTX 3090 said:

Maybe if they didn't charge the same price as a motherboard for a CPU, and change chipsets every generation, it would still be an option, but otherwise, why should I buy a mitherboard that only works with 1 generation of CPU's and pay a premium for it. I

I was referring to some people shuffling that happened a few years ago. They had some budget cuts so they laid off most of the older engineers and hired newer cheaper ones but the issue is it happened so abruptly a large amount of knowledge was lost. As they couldn't document 30 years of experience in 2 weeks lol

12 minutes ago, mahyar said:

this is not what discussion is about

Fair point, I'll try to keep things like that to myself in the future 

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1 minute ago, JoostinOnline said:
26 minutes ago, RTX 3090 said:

No

Of course it can. Literally just using AMDs comeback as an example shows Intel has a very good chance. They still have an enormous market share.

Nah, it took and 3 generations to perfect the Zen architecture, if intel starts from scratch AMD will still be ahead for another few years

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4 minutes ago, RTX 3090 said:

Nah, it took and 3 generations to perfect the Zen architecture, if intel starts from scratch AMD will still be ahead for another few years

well that suggest you didnt read first post completely

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3 hours ago, mahyar said:

imo intel has been doing some work behind the scenes and in 12th and 13th gen (or heck maybe even 11th gen) intel might strike again

Rocket lake will be 14nm process, as far as they can go is boost up the clock speed, and take the gaming crown. But in jan/feb, everyone already have zen3.

once AMD have 5nm next year, the gap is going to be huge. The only way to catch up is going at least 7nm. Not going to happen in at least 2 years.

They might have cooked 12 or 13th gen in their lab, probably with 7nm, but porting it to production might be difficult as they cannot get a good yield.

Big little only good for laptops that needs power efficiency, zen3 mobile will crush them in term of performance and maybe power draw also.

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2 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Rocket lake will be 14nm process, as far as they can go is boost up the clock speed, and take the gaming crown. But in jan/feb, everyone already have zen3.

once AMD have 5nm next year, the gap is going to be huge. The only way to catch up is going at least 7nm. Not going to happen in at least 2 years.

They might have cooked 12 or 13th gen in their lab, probably with 7nm, but porting it to production might be difficult as they cannot get a good yield.

Big little only good for laptops that needs power efficiency, zen3 mobile will crush them in term of performance and maybe power draw also.

In addition aren't Intel dropping the 10 core and maxing out at8 core for 11th gen CPU?

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1 minute ago, SupaKomputa said:

Rocket lake will be 14nm process, as far as they can go is boost up the clock speed, and take the gaming crown. But in jan/feb, everyone already have zen3.

once AMD have 5nm next year, the gap is going to be huge. The only way to catch up is going at least 7nm. Not going to happen in at least 2 years.

They might have cooked 12 or 13th gen in their lab, probably with 7nm, but porting it to production might be difficult as they cannot get a good yield.

Big little only good for laptops that needs power efficiency, zen3 mobile will crush them in term of performance and maybe power draw also.

have seen the der8uer video video about compare intel and amd at a microscopic level! amd's 7nm isnt half of intel's 14nm more like 2/3 so intel's 10nm is comparable to tsmc 7nm and intel's 7nm is comparable to tsmc's 5nm

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2 minutes ago, Chris Fortune said:

In addition aren't Intel dropping the 10 core and maxing out at8 core for 11th gen CPU?

Yes, that's an indications that 14nm can keep up with the thermal.

3 minutes ago, mahyar said:

have seen the der8uer video video about compare intel and amd at a microscopic level! amd's 7nm isnt half of intel's 14nm more like 2/3 so intel's 10nm is comparable to tsmc 7nm and intel's 7nm is comparable to tsmc's 5nm

True. Still they can't make a desktop one with 10nm, i suspect it drains too much power at high clock. Tiger lake mobile cpu capped at 4 cores. Is this 2015?

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15 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Yes, that's an indications that 14nm can keep up with the thermal.

True. Still they can't make a desktop one with 10nm, i suspect it drains too much power at high clock. Tiger lake mobile cpu capped at 4 cores. Is this 2015?

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8 hours ago, RTX 3090 said:

Nah, it took and 3 generations to perfect the Zen architecture, if intel starts from scratch AMD will still be ahead for another few years

You've completely missed my point.

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will they eventually come back? likely, within any reasonable time frame, hard no.

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