Worlds First 360Hz Monitor Detailed & Launching in September 2020

[EnVii]

4 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

I can.  They aren’t good imaginings though.  The worry I have is people are going to treat 360hz the way some wine connoisseurs  treat wine or some audiophiles treat $2,000 earphones: pretending they can detect a difference to make them seem less stupid. 

I don’t get your negativity, but,

 

You’ve made your point already & its getting boring now. 
 

You don’t see the point, fair enough you do you. 
 

4 hours ago, Benjamin22044 said:

Already a fan of this for its features. I can hardly imagine how good it would be for the gaming nerds. Just keeping my fingers crossed for the price of the device and waiting for it to launch. 

Same here. 
 

I’m excited for progress. 
 

I’m excited for something new, a worlds first. 
 

Being really surprised at how much of a difference there is in 144 & 240Hz - I can’t wait to go up another 50% !!

 

 

[EnVii]

5 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

The difference from 144hz to 240hz is noticeable in some situations, but I don't get what the benefit of a 360hz monitor would be.

And $800 for a 1080p  monitor? An  IPS/VA 1440p 144hz or 240hz monitor would definitely be a better buy for most people.

It’s not going to be my only display. 
 

I have a LG OLED 120Hz for everything that needs eye candy. 
 

For MP, 1080p is enough to keep graphics settings high & hit the 360Hz. 

[Kisai]

2 hours ago, CarlBar said:

 

Some people can detect the diffrances in that though. Remember when LTT did their high refresh rate tests, from memory all but one person benefited from the jump from 60hz to 144hz, but only 1 person benefited from the jump from 144hz to 240hz. I'd expect the 240hz to 360hz jump to be significantly more rare for people to benefit from That dosen't mean no one will benefit.

This is the kind of thing that also happens with audio equipment as well. Most people can tell the jump from 60 to 120 because it tickles that part of the brain that causes motion sickness. With audio, it's usually women and children who can hear the slightly wider frequency range, and the other thing that affects that is how clean your ears are. Everything else beyond that in audio is for less loss in mixing.

 

So for every person who can tell/feel the difference between 144 and 240 , you likely have a lot more people who will say they can tell the difference, but can't actually perform differently.

[Bombastinator]

16 minutes ago, EnVii said:

I don’t get your negativity,

 

You’ve made your point already & its getting boring now. 
 

You don’t see the point, fair enough you do you. 
 

Same here. 
 

I’m excited for progress. 
 

I’m excited for something new, a worlds first. 
 

Being really surprised at how much of a difference there is in 144 & 240Hz - I can’t wait to go up another 50% !!

 

 

It will make a difference or it won’t.  I’m predicting most likely won’t.  It’s the kind of thing I would want to see before dropping Xhundred dollars on though. Might pay a dollar just to see it so I could find out (almost certainly won’t for me) I would even suggest something of the kind for moving between 144 and 240.  I suspect more pretend to see the difference than actually can. My personal visual acuity is in the 90-100 range it seems. Probably quite low.  I understand one of the things that separates a good MLB batter from a poor one is better visual acuity. Perhaps your a good batter.  Spending a bunch of money to find out seems foolish though. I understand humans have pretty low visual acuity as animals go.  Squid couldn’t differentiate moving pictures at lower than “really?” Levels for humans but if you push the frame rate high enough they can. 
 

Now that would be an entertaining app for a 360hz monitor: create a vision test to determine what a person can differentiate.  You’d actually need that fast a monitor to do it.  Could sell em to opticians.  That might be a profitable point of high refresh monitors. iirc @mr moose is something or other medical. He might know a research optician.

[Bombastinator]

7 hours ago, EnVii said:

 

OLED probably not happening, 

 

MicroLED probably within 5 years.

Just watched a review of an oled screen on a laptop.

 

Edited August 27, 2020 by Bombastinator

[EnVii]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

It will make a difference or it won’t.  I’m predicting most likely won’t.  It’s the kind of thing I would want to see before dropping Xhundred dollars on though. Might pay a dollar just to see it so I could find out (almost certainly won’t for me) I would even suggest something of the kind for moving between 144 and 240.  I suspect more pretend to see the difference than actually can. My personal visual acuity is in the 90-100 range it seems. Probably quite low.  I understand one of the things that separates a good MLB batter from a poor one is better visual acuity. Perhaps your a good batter.  Spending a bunch of money to find out seems foolish though. I understand humans have pretty low visual acuity as animals go.  Squid couldn’t differentiate moving pictures at lower than “really?” Levels for humans but if you push the frame rate high enough they can. 
 

Now that would be an entertaining app for a 360hz monitor: create a vision test to determine what a person can differentiate.  You’d actually need that fast a monitor to do it.  Could sell em to opticians.  That might be a profitable point of high refresh monitors. iirc @mr moose is something or other medical. He might know a research optician.

No idea what you’re rambling about. 
 

I for one easily saw the difference in 144 & 240. 
 

Going back to 120/144 is a no go, just like it’s jarring from 120/144 to go back to 60. 
 

It’s the same for me. 
 

I notice small differences, details, my eyes track motion very well. 
 

So if there’s a 50% boost to frames and a +4% benefit to be had, then it’s worth spending the money on the best. 
 

I have the income to be able to do that, it’s not like I’m going out of my way to suffer to have it on my desk. 
 

It’s hardware, it’s something new, I’m lucky I get to be one of the first to try to it. 
 

Again, if you don’t see the point, the benefits, don’t believe it should be a thing - that’s fine. 
 

Thread is about new technology, progress & something in the monitor space that doesn’t happen all to often - a IPS display with the fastest Hz of them all!!

 

So this 360Hz monitor still displays all the Hz below, I’m going to make use of it & can’t wait!

[EnVii]

33 minutes ago, comander said:

You aren't an olympian and there's no glory in getting 1000FPS in CS1.6. 

Also getting enough sleep, exercising, meditation, eating well, etc. all matter WAY more. 

Besides, the match making algo will just place you against weaker players so your win rate will be the same anyway. 

 

If you're in the top 1/100th of a percent and actually get paid, I will shift my opinion. For that 1/10000 person... you need every edge you can get. 

Very few people are in that group. 

I game very little. 
 

But when I do game, I’d rather have the best experience possible. 
 

It’s not my job that I need to get paid. 
 

People who own Hypercars and Supercars aren’t always racing drivers / F1 drivers. 
 

But they get to enjoy them, make use of them & if they want, track them. 
 

I reached #1 worldwide ranked in my favourite game, I am able to compete at a high level when I do play. 
 

But smoother picture is smoother picture, so your point doesn’t need to hold true. 
 

Gaming isn’t that serious that I need to be a eSports Pro to have the best/latest/newest hardware. 
 

I get to use & enjoy it regardless. 

[EnVii]

14 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Just watched a review of an oled screen on a laptop.

Laptop screen, not a monitor. 

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, EnVii said:

No idea what you’re rambling about. 
 

I for one easily saw the difference in 144 & 240. 
 

Going back to 120/144 is a no go, just like it’s jarring from 120/144 to go back to 60. 
 

It’s the same for me. 
 

I notice small differences, details, my eyes track motion very well. 
 

So if there’s a 50% boost to frames and a +4% benefit to be had, then it’s worth spending the money on the best. 
 

I have the income to be able to do that, it’s not like I’m going out of my way to suffer to have it on my desk. 
 

It’s hardware, it’s something new, I’m lucky I get to be one of the first to try to it. 
 

Again, if you don’t see the point, the benefits, don’t believe it should be a thing - that’s fine. 
 

Thread is about new technology, progress & something in the monitor space that doesn’t happen all to often - a IPS display with the fastest Hz of them all!!

 

So this 360Hz monitor still displays all the Hz below, I’m going to make use of it & can’t wait!

Re: no idea what you’re rambling about:

 

Semi BS.

You say you don’t understand then you go on to attempt refute it.  Clearly you at least thought you did.  Wasn’t a very good refutation which implies thought you did rather than actually did.

 

your refutation as proof you said you didn’t understand when you did:

 

1: You claim you KNOW you can see he difference between 144 and 240. To  I would say you think you know. Some can, or at least think they can. You think you’re special.  This is clear.  I know I can’t. I understand some at least think they can.  Some can derisive benefits even when they can’t see the difference. It’s not impossible.  I think more can’t and simply claim they can. Another here claimed that of those who claim they can a large number of them may not be able to do anything with that.  Let’s say you’re in the group that can.  I doubt it, it’s statistically unlikely, but let’s pretend.

 

2: You say you have the income to simply toss at a monitor that may or may not (but you think will) do you any good.   Good for you.  Most rich people don’t do that.  More often the exact opposite.  It’s how they stay rich, and often how they get rich in the first place.  It’s your money though.  Do as you will. You say a 4% bonus is worth the +200% cost.  OK. You’re the guy the marketing guys were looking for.

the counterpoint that you only thought you did:

 

There is some evidence you didn’t though.  You make some statements about the conclusion of my statement that are incorrect. 
 

You claim I don’t see the point or the benefits. This is not true.  I see the benefits as extremely limited though. Specifically largely to situations outside of gaming and relegated to research in visual acuity, and perhaps a few gamers. Likely not many if any. Statistically you as a random person are much more likely to be in the group who only thinks that they will benefit at all rather than the group that actually does.  Overconfidence is a pretty standard human trait.  The US government seems to more or less run on taking advantage of it after all.

 

re: “I can’t wait”

ok.  I’m just warning you you may not actually get what you think you are paying for because just because a thing can do a thing doesn’t mean it will allow you to do that thing too.  It merely ceases from preventing you.  There is one point of arguable real value.  It may serve to convince others that you do have the abilities to do so otherwise why would you buy it?  Reminds me a bit of that famous photo of Trump as a young man where he got a woman to appear with him in the photo for the expressed purpose of an attempt to create the illusion that he was a “ladies man” amongst those who would see the photo in the school paper.

My warning in this case is this: it might for some.  For others though they may simply think you a greater fool.  So only arguable value.

 

[mr moose]

4 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

 

Now that would be an entertaining app for a 360hz monitor: create a vision test to determine what a person can differentiate.  You’d actually need that fast a monitor to do it.  Could sell em to opticians.  That might be a profitable point of high refresh monitors. iirc @mr moose is something or other medical. He might know a research optician.

I can't think of one off the top of my head that 360Hz would benefit a human observer, but in a situation where a camera was watching a monitor,  say a remote observer to a control room in a nuclear facility or medical operation, maybe having such a high refresh rate will alleviate picture loss/degradation.

 

I'm not in biological medical, I work with pediatricians and doctors on youth issues (a fair bit to do with anxiety and social) which is where I have picked up on the medical side of things.  Being able to talk to doctors and specialists in a social environment, you get to ask for sources and talk about things outside of your own medical needs.

[EnVii]

20 hours ago, comander said:

I strongly suggest ultrawide 3440x1440 100Hz+ if you want the best overall experience. 

 

You're literally not seeing the whole picture with the route you're currently going. 

Already had a 1440p 120Hz UltraWide. 
 

Not for me. 

[Doobeedoo]

It's a decent jump so far from current like 240Hz. It's not double but yeah, still need to have that X game be able to stay stable at 360 though. We'll definitely go higher in time. I'm quite curious to see tests with this monitor, being it's a fast IPS actually and not TN so. I'm curious how it's handling motion. It's still a slow LCD in the end.

We need that CRT motion clarity glory back one day again, can't wait for MicroLED to come.

[AnonymousGuy]

360Hz: as pointless as jerking off when Keira Knightley is waiting in your bed.

[Bombastinator]

4 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

It's a decent jump so far from current like 240Hz. It's not double but yeah, still need to have that X game be able to stay stable at 360 though. We'll definitely go higher in time. I'm quite curious to see tests with this monitor, being it's a fast IPS actually and not TN so. I'm curious how it's handling motion. It's still a slow LCD in the end.

We need that CRT motion clarity glory back one day again, can't wait for MicroLED to come.

I was given to understand that microLED died.  It may not be done at all or something. 

[Doobeedoo]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

I was given to understand that microLED died.  It may not be done at all or something. 

How so? There are literal products, al be it not consumer ones now. But for like special events and companies, some rich maybe. There are advers too so.

We really need something new. I mean OLED doesn't even exist in monitors market but a puny LCD only. We all know OLEDs weaknesses too as well.

[Bombastinator]

Just now, Doobeedoo said:

How so? There are literal products, al be it not consumer ones now. But for like special events and companies, some rich maybe. There are advers too so.

We really need something new. I mean OLED doesn't even exist in monitors market but a puny LCD only. We all know OLEDs weaknesses too as well.

I’m thinking of an LTT video I watched talking about manufacturing.  making a monitor requires a factory.  Apparently the deal was the factories got retooled to make nanosomething panels.  No factory, no more monitors. 

[Doobeedoo]

48 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I’m thinking of an LTT video I watched talking about manufacturing.  making a monitor requires a factory.  Apparently the deal was the factories got retooled to make nanosomething panels.  No factory, no more monitors. 

There's still research done for the tech, as well to get price lower to consumer level. To build factories for mass scale too. Many companies work on it, really everyone.

Maybe we will see first consumer displays 1-2y we'll see. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroLED

[Bombastinator]

5 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

There's still research done for the tech, as well to get price lower to consumer level. To build factories for mass scale too. Many companies work on it, really everyone.

Maybe we will see first consumer displays 1-2y we'll see. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroLED

I would very much like to see microLED myself. It has a lot of longevity potential along with better potential display quality.  According to that video, or at least my memory of it, Neither Samsung nor lg are working on it anymore apparently and afaik they’re the only companies that do monitor research.  All the other ones just copy what they make.  I’d love to be wrong about that.

[Doobeedoo]

3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I would very much like to see microLED myself. It has a lot of longevity potential along with better potential display quality.  According to that video, or at least my memory of it, Neither Samsung nor lg are working on it anymore apparently and afaik they’re the only companies that do monitor research.  All the other ones just copy what they make.  I’d love to be wrong about that.

It's supposed to be better than OLED in every way. Also Sony had their own. Also AU Optronics and TCL too, even Apple working on it too. So it's kinda a global research for it as we can know with current info. On Wiki it says over 130 companies are working on R&D for it. 

[Bombastinator]

17 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

It's supposed to be better than OLED in every way. Also Sony had their own. Also AU Optronics and TCL too, even Apple working on it too. So it's kinda a global research for it as we can know with current info. On Wiki it says over 130 companies are working on R&D for it. 

Sony doesn’t make monitors anymore.  Apple never made monitors, they bought them from Sony. I don’t know what AU Optronics or TCL are.  I hope they have more than Sony and Apple do. 
 

as far as wiki goes I direct you to the thread about the American teenager who filled up the Scotland Wikipedia page with apparently stuff pulled directly from his butt for multiple years.  It may be correct, it may have once been correct but isn’t any more, it may have never been correct. It may be more correct than the LTT video. I don’t know.  My point is it seems like you don’t either.  I suggest finding some primary sources.  Wikipeadia isn’t one. 

Edited August 29, 2020 by Bombastinator

[bcredeur97]

when my monitor dies im gonna have some great monitors to pick from. Lol

It just keeps working tho. darn thing wont break.

[Bombastinator]

6 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

when my monitor dies im gonna have some great monitors to pick from. Lol

It just keeps working tho. darn thing wont break.

I had a monitor from 2013 get killed by an OS update.  Thing still works fine but nothing will play nice with it.  Pisses me off.  The thing was(is?) 30” 2540x1600@144hz.  It’s predecessor still works fine though. I’m using it now. 

[Doobeedoo]

8 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Sony doesn’t make monitors anymore.  Apple never made monitors, they bought them from Sony. I don’t know what AU Optronics or TCL are.  I hope they have more than Sony and Apple do. 
 

as far as wiki goes I direct you to the thread about the American teenager who filled up the Scotland Wikipedia page with apparently stuff pulled directly from his butt for multiple years.  It may be correct, it may have once been correct but isn’t any more, it may have never been correct. It may be more correct than the LTT video. I don’t know.  My point is it seems like you don’t either.  I suggest finding some primary sources.  Wikipeadia isn’t one. 

I meant working on display tech in general. Not monitors. Other companies buy panels from them for their branded monitors. Things will need to trickle down to monitors sadly that takes time because TVs are the focus primarily and phones. So AU Optronics creates a lot of displays, like some of the fastest panels though. And TCL is more TV sided though.

 

Hahaha yeah I've seen that Wiki thing. Not saying Wiki is the primary and the only go to source for sure. But yeah, what I've seen and heard about MicroLED was for the most part demoed and talked about from other outlets, so I've seen that on Wiki too so, just linked for some info I guess.

 

Can't wait to move away from LCD it's just bad. 

[Knight77]

8 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

I was given to understand that microLED died.  It may not be done at all or something. 

MicroLED is coming but is around 3-5 years off yet. 
 

Apple has also invested hugely into it for their products but will use MiniLED first, as will ASUS and other companies. 
 

But companies are developing it. 

[EnVii]

Review added to OP.