What does boomer even mean??

[Lord Vile]

28 minutes ago, Monkey Dust said:

£800 a week for a 3 bed house? Not in any part of the country with abundant employment. My brother pays £700 for a two-bed flat in Coventry, and it's not a fancy flat either. In Bristol £800 p/m is still one-bed flat territory (or at least it was before the event, landlords may be adjusting their expectations). Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Cardiff are all going to be similar, with London existing on its own special plane of insanity. If you live somewhere where £800 p/m three-bed house are common and you, or your partner loses their job, you will likely be down an income for some time. Even if you can make it work it's a pretty precarious position to be in.

 

And the seasonal fruit & vegetable picking jobs? They are in the countryside, and they start really early in the morning. On the off chance that a bus will go somewhere near the farm, it won't be running that early in the morning, so you'll need a car. You will have to purchase and run a car on minimum wage, when you may only have 6 months work a year, it's clearly not going to be worth it. You'll earn more, 12 months a year, with a useful staff discount, and probably much lower commuting costs working in a supermarket, why the hell would you go pick fruit?     

 

 

Enfield, Hull, Sheffield, Manchester. In my home village a 3 bedroom semi will cost you around 600 a month. In Bristol a 3 bet terrace is around £1000. But a family of 4 can live in a 2 bed comfortably with 2 of the same gender kids, not everyone need their own room. 

 

You can walk most places in the countryside. Farms are everywhere somewhere will do it within an hours walk.

 

Who said anything about doing it all year? The fact is people are willing to sit and do nothing when there is work out there, having a temp job is better than nothing, you earn more than you would on the dole and it's something else to put on a CV as it shows willingness and something more to sell yourself with. Remember the job market is a competition who are you gonna hire the person that has no job history in the last 12 months or the one that did temp work at every opportunity and has a references list as long as their arm? Hell if you impress in temp work you could end up full time anyway if a position opens up. 

 

[dalekphalm]

20 hours ago, lewdicrous said:

Now to know what zoomer means.

 

20 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Someone who uses Zoom. 

Assuming you're making a joke, but in any case, a Zoomer is Generation Z - the kids who were born between the mid 90's up to 2010.

8 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

My Grandparents where boomers.

 

Grams stayed home.

The country (US) was well enough off (40s 50s 60s)economically that they raised 3 kids 2 new cars, house payment and Gramps retired in 85' with an 8th grad education. 

 

Times are much different.

We must respect the Boomers though. They (most of em) lived through the great depression as children. I recall many stories.

One in particular was just to save water. The sign read, "If it's yellow be mellow. If it's brown, flush it down."

They where allowed 5 gallons of fuel per customer only. 

For our recession some 10 years ago, I was paying about 5$ a gallon for fuel instead of gallon limitations.

 

8 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Right.

Gramps was born jan 26 1926.

His first car was a 1926 Jordan.

As I had mentioned they grew up in the depression.

 

Gramps was First Calvary. He came home and mounted my grandmother they had 3 children.

Your Grandparents weren't boomers. Boomers were born after WW2 - there was a "Baby Boom" after the war due to a number of factors, including high morale for the Allies winning, along with a massive economy boost in the US leading to really excellent economic conditions in the 50's and 60's.

 

Your grandparents would be the "Greatest Generation", if they were of age to fight in WW2.

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

 

Assuming you're making a joke, but in any case, a Zoomer is Generation Z - the kids who were born between the mid 90's up to 2010.

 

Your Grandparents weren't boomers. Boomers were born after WW2 - there was a "Baby Boom" after the war due to a number of factors, including high morale for the Allies winning, along with a massive economy boost in the US leading to really excellent economic conditions in the 50's and 60's.

 

Your grandparents would be the "Greatest Generation", if they were of age to fight in WW2.

Gotcha. I think someone else was saying the same thing earlier actually. Thanks for the heads up

[lewdicrous]

1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

Assuming you're making a joke

Yup, but thanks for the extra info anyway. 

[Praesi]

Most Kids who use this Word dont even know what it means. Like the dont know anything but turning a PC/Console on and off.

[jones177]

On 5/25/2020 at 9:16 AM, Sauron said:

Again afaik there's no evidence of that - immigrants don't take jobs away from natives but mainly because there are more jobs than people.

In my area the immigrants are usually well educated and take jobs for less money. 

 

My parents did the same thing going from the UK to Canada and then to the US. Always starting for less pay at first. 

 

I worked as a 3D designer for a company exclusively from 2005 to 2018. I was not an employee. Their employees all came from latin america and made about half what I did. Most moved on to better paying jobs and some opened their own businesses.

 

I am an immigrant myself and took the first job I could get with benefits in the US. 

 

[RejZoR]

On 5/25/2020 at 11:15 AM, Sauron said:

There's no evidence of that, in fact pre-covid unemployment rates had hit historic lows in the western world. If anything younger generations have much less choice than older ones because they can't afford to do what they'd like. Also getting a well paying job now requires you to be a lot more qualified than it used to and degrees in countries like the US cost a lot of money even if you don't count the time investment.

 

Also good luck building your own house these days. Hell, just buying a land to build a house on is a massive financial slap. You could do it back then even if you were just "flipping burgers", which is just a derogative term today to say you have a shit job and you'll be someone's bitch to death.

[StDragon]

Zoomers and Millennials *facepalm*.

 

The best tax dollars spent would be a trip to Venezuela to put it all into perspective. So bad that the only means of trade is through barter; because actual cash has value AS toilet paper and that's way too expensive.

[dalekphalm]

2 hours ago, StDragon said:

Zoomers and Millennials *facepalm*.

 

The best tax dollars spent would be a trip to Venezuela to put it all into perspective. So bad that the only means of trade is through barter; because actual cash has value AS toilet paper and that's way too expensive.

You do realize there are numerous successful and wealthy socialist countries, right? Like, a decent chunk of Europe?

 

Why does everyone bring up Venezuela as if that’s some trump card that ends the discussion?

 

Venezuela is a garbage place to live due to its rampant decades long corruption, mixed with not-infrequent violent regime changes. 

 

Socialism has nothing to do with that. America already has socialist policies like Medicare and Medicaid.

 

There are examples of successful socialist countries just like there are examples of failure capitalist countries.

 

In fact, socialist countries are often also capitalist countries - just regulated capitalism (because blank slate free market capitalism is really not great for the little guy). As already stated, America already has socialist policies, including regulations on the market (import taxes, regulating trade, and so on). 
 

One might argue that more regulations in certain areas would be beneficial. Just like sometimes removing unnecessary or ineffective regulation can also be beneficial. 

[StDragon]

20 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

You do realize there are numerous successful and wealthy socialist countries, right? Like, a decent chunk of Europe

It helps when the US and UK are in effect subsidizing the rest of Europe's NATO expenditure commitments.

 

20 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Why does everyone bring up Venezuela as if that’s some trump card that ends the discussion?

Because the lessons of communism apparently are never learned. Socialism leads to communism via indentured servitude to the state.

 

20 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Socialism has nothing to do with that. America already has socialist policies like Medicare and Medicaid.

Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security almost make up half of the federal expenditures. This chart is frighteningly unsustainable. The US defense is also bloated and could use some trimming; a lot of it in fact.

 

Oh, and Baseline budgeting is evil.

Everyone should learn the Tytler cycle.

 

-From bondage to spiritual faith;
-From spiritual faith to great courage;
-From courage to liberty;
-From liberty to abundance;
-From abundance to complacency;
-From complacency to apathy;
-From apathy to dependence;
-From dependence back into bondage.

 

Lather, rinse, repeat ad infinitum 

 

Depending on what country you live in, everyone is somewhere in that cycle.

[Grabhanem]

Now that this thread has devolved into a political argument, there is only one thing left to say.

 

OK Boomer

[Praesi]

35 minutes ago, StDragon said:

It helps when the US and UK are in effect subsidizing the rest of Europe's NATO expenditure commitments.

Have you any Idea how much Gold the USA have stolen from Europe Countries?

The only Reason the US is pushing its NATO Agenda is to prefend a full Friendship of Germany and Russia. Thats the USA´s biggest Fear.

The USA is obsolete on the Global Scale and will vanish like all Empires before.

And since this is way too political for LTT, i say no more.

 

[StDragon]

1 hour ago, Praesi said:

Have you any Idea how much Gold the USA have stolen from Europe Countries?

 

Not sure how that helps given the US (or much of Europe for that matter) as the West abandoned the Gold Standard quite some time ago. It's all fiat currency where the respective nation-states can tax and control via inflation (printing money). Besides, the Marshall Plan assisted Europe in 1948 to the tune of $128 billion in today's currency.

 

1 hour ago, Praesi said:

The only Reason the US is pushing its NATO Agenda is to prefend a full Friendship of Germany and Russia. Thats the USA´s biggest Fear.

Absolutely correct! 100% agree with you. There was a reason East Germany was under the sphere of influence of Russia. Thank God the Soviet Union collapsed (mostly). Klaus Fuchs single handily aided the Soviet Union with "the bomb" that locked the West and Soviet Union into a Cold War.

 

1 hour ago, Praesi said:

The USA is obsolete on the Global Scale and will vanish like all Empires before.

Sadly, I agree with you. The US is on a pathway to fracturing as a Union. It's sad how less enlightened society has become. Absolutely shameful.

 

There's that saying that Afghanistan is "The place where empires go to die.". The handwriting was on the wall a long time ago. But I digress.

[kokakolia]

On 5/25/2020 at 9:05 PM, Lord Vile said:

I think you're trying to make a strawman. The minimum wage is there for a reason. Wages for low skilled jobs are low.

My ears are fuming when I hear an argument like this one. It's just so far removed from the truth. 

 

I can't see why retail workers who stock up the shelves, run a complicated cash register and help (difficult) customers all day should be treated poorly and paid pennies on the dollar. Ditto for waiters. 

 

I can honestly say that the job I'm doing right now takes less skill than working in retail, yet requires a diploma. And the salary is much higher.

 

Supply, demand and the nature of the industry should have a part in that. My job is in high demand and nobody even heard about its existence. Schools don't even mention it. 

 

Further, I just can't wrap my head around why some jobs are paid more than others. Skill is a factor is every single position. I don't care if you're washing dishes or selling real estate. You can cite Education. But c'mon! You learn on the job anyways. 

[Lord Vile]

24 minutes ago, kokakolia said:

My ears are fuming when I hear an argument like this one. It's just so far removed from the truth. 

 

I can't see why retail workers who stock up the shelves, run a complicated cash register and help (difficult) customers all day should be treated poorly and paid pennies on the dollar. Ditto for waiters. 

 

I can honestly say that the job I'm doing right now takes less skill than working in retail, yet requires a diploma. And the salary is much higher.

 

Supply, demand and the nature of the industry should have a part in that. My job is in high demand and nobody even heard about its existence. Schools don't even mention it. 

 

Further, I just can't wrap my head around why some jobs are paid more than others. Skill is a factor is every single position. I don't care if you're washing dishes or selling real estate. You can cite Education. But c'mon! You learn on the job anyways. 

You're looking at it completely wrong. Stocking shelves and using a till isn't hard, if anything cashing up is the hardest part and that's basic maths. 

 

That's because it requires a qualification which not everyone has so the salary is higher. Supply and demand.

 

Would you trust someone with no experience to be in charge of drug QC? There's some things you have to prove you know the area and you can't "learn on the job" because if you cock up shit hits the fan. A lot of pay scale comes with responsibility. I left uni for a job and I'm still in training 18 months later because if I cock up I can fry millions of pounds worth of equipment. I also get paid more than someone who works in the stores can you see why. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

On 5/24/2020 at 9:28 PM, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Those damn Cursed Thralls in Destiny. 

Don't forget about the Hive and Taken Boomers.

[kokakolia]

@Lord Vile QC is something you can only learn on the job. You can't learn that from a book. It's not complicated to see how a person can gain skills on the job and work themselves up.

 

So yeah, someone with 5 years experience will be more valuable than someone with 0 experience. But with that logic everybody should earn 6 figures.

 

You can work 20 years in retail, be employee of the month all year long and a fine salesperson/troubleshooter/manager. But you'll still earn a modest salary. And people will argue that your job is low skill. 

[Lord Vile]

1 minute ago, kokakolia said:

@Lord Vile QC is something you can only learn on the job. You can't learn that from a book. It's not complicated to see how a person can gain skills on the job and work themselves up.

 

So yeah, someone with 5 years experience will be more valuable than someone with 0 experience. But with that logic everybody should earn 6 figures.

 

You can work 20 years in retail, be employee of the month all year long and a fine salesperson/troubleshooter/manager. But you'll still earn a modest salary. And people will argue that your job is low skill. 

Nooo it isn't. Especially in the example of a drug development lab. You need to know how to use all the equipment, how to set it up, how to read the results and interpret them and if something isn't up to snuff you have to have an inkling why it isn't.

 

If you're working 20 years in retail and are any good you get promotions and the wage increase with that. 

[kokakolia]

1 minute ago, Lord Vile said:

Nooo it isn't. Especially in the example of a drug development lab. You need to know how to use all the equipment, how to set it up, how to read the results and interpret them and if something isn't up to snuff you have to have an inkling why it isn't.

 

If you're working 20 years in retail and are any good you get promotions and the wage increase with that. 

Any job has its fair share of challenges and equipment specific to the task. You're not special. 

 

Re: retail. The salaries hit a ceiling fast after reaching the manager role. That's sad considering the level of responsibility and skill. 

[Curious Pineapple]

3 minutes ago, kokakolia said:

Any job has its fair share of challenges and equipment specific to the task. You're not special. 

 

Re: retail. The salaries hit a ceiling fast after reaching the manager role. That's sad considering the level of responsibility and skill. 

I was offered a job as a manager a few months back. I live over the road and being able to open up in the morning and turn the alarm off at 3AM would have been enough to get the job.

 

Never worked a day of retail in my life.

[Mooshi]

The people who call me on a Sunday with nothing better to do.

[Lord Vile]

12 hours ago, kokakolia said:

Any job has its fair share of challenges and equipment specific to the task. You're not special. 

 

Re: retail. The salaries hit a ceiling fast after reaching the manager role. That's sad considering the level of responsibility and skill. 

You’re completely missing the point. There are jobs that you need to know what you’re doing and how to do a myriad of stuff without being told and figure stuff out on your own. The majority of high paid jobs require a skill set you cannot learn on the job.

 

Not really you can go from manager of a section to branch manager to area manager and onwards, if you’re good at the job you will rise up the chain.

[kokakolia]

2 hours ago, Lord Vile said:

You’re completely missing the point. There are jobs that you need to know what you’re doing and how to do a myriad of stuff without being told and figure stuff out on your own. The majority of high paid jobs require a skill set you cannot learn on the job.

You just described my job. And I'm not bragging up a storm like you are. I have to deal with poorly thrown together software that everybody uses to make excavation plans. Then stakeout these plans. If I screw up, trains will de-rail. None of my skills are taught in school because of the exorbitant cost of licensing for the software. The only thing I learned in school was the cadastral system, lots of useless math and technical writing. Only 10% of the course material applies to my job. It's the employers' duty to train every worker to get the job done anyways. Sometimes that requires paid courses. However, it's more frequent to learn from other co-workers. It's a similar story with all construction jobs. 

[Lord Vile]

2 hours ago, kokakolia said:

You just described my job. And I'm not bragging up a storm like you are. I have to deal with poorly thrown together software that everybody uses to make excavation plans. Then stakeout these plans. If I screw up, trains will de-rail. None of my skills are taught in school because of the exorbitant cost of licensing for the software. The only thing I learned in school was the cadastral system, lots of useless math and technical writing. Only 10% of the course material applies to my job. It's the employers' duty to train every worker to get the job done anyways. Sometimes that requires paid courses. However, it's more frequent to learn from other co-workers. It's a similar story with all construction jobs. 

Since when did I brag about anything?

 

But if you can't do that 10% then you can't do the job. 

 

Again that's one piece of software which you still have to do a course for and have the aptitude for it. Not everyone could do that. You can't learn some stuff on the job like high level chemistry or coding or electronics for example. You have to have a good working knowledge before you go anywhere near equipment. You might need a course on say how to use that particular HPLC but you need to know what it is, what column to use for what you're doing and how to read the results and make a conclusion from those result along with any comments on irregularities.