5G Masts set light to, Engineers attacked over virus rumours

[mr moose]

23 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

These spontaneous sex changes do not fit the definition of transgender.

 

Homosexuality occurs naturally in nature. Homosexuality, spontaneous sex change, and transgender are not the same things.

 

 

 

 

It's o.k, I heard these things are only wrong or problematic if you live on a flat earth and don't believe in vaccines.  

[Fnige]

On 4/5/2020 at 7:37 AM, gabrielcarvfer said:

- Look at that stupid people buying a ton of toilet paper.

Yeah, but you dont need 36+ rolls to survive on toilet paper for 3 months

[Theminecraftaddict555]

23 hours ago, CarlBar said:

Dear god i got dumber just hearing that. And i didn't listen all the way through. Of course the real scary part is that if you ignore your own science knowledge, it sounds plausible. The narrative hangs together. The base claim, (that we all have an innate vibrational frequency that affects the functioning of our body), is bull. But he then throws in some stuff that given everything else we do and don't know about how cells function is quite plausible. Our cells are full of stuff, we don;t know what a lot of it does and we don;t even know if we know everything that can be in there, and we know some stuff can make it out of the cell but where not sure what, how much, or a whole bunch of other stuff. And our bodies do produce all kinds of things to d all kinds of cleanup both in and outside cells. So theoretically if the base idea where true, everything else is at least theoretically possibble. 

 

Now the idea that you could control such a process en mass hits a few more issues, and again the base assumption is pure bull. But it's scarily well crafted because it uses a lot of known thing and known unknown things about the human body to support itself.

So his base claim is false but rests on stuff that is plausible or stuff we don't concretely know is true about cells?

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

So his base claim is false but rests on stuff that is plausible or stuff we don't concretely know is true about cells?

most conspiracies rest on half truths,  just enough truth to give it weight, just enough fear for people to pay attention and then giving them a perceived ability to control or avoid said nasty to complete the con.

[Theminecraftaddict555]

8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

most conspiracies rest on half truths,  just enough truth to give it weight, just enough fear for people to pay attention and then giving them a perceived ability to control or avoid said nasty to complete the con.

So Andrew Kaufman here seems to be relying on half-truths or twisting those half truths into something crazy? Just re clarifying. 

 

TBH I wouldn't be surprised either way. 

[Dylanc1500]

2 hours ago, SlimyPython said:

Yeah, but you dont need 36+ rolls to survive on toilet paper for 3 months

You apparently haven't ate any Taco Bell.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

34 minutes ago, Dylanc1500 said:

You apparently haven't ate any Taco Bell.

If only it was just 36 rolls that people idiots were buying.

[Dylanc1500]

15 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

If only it was just 36 rolls that people idiots were buying.

Well, Taco Bell can become an addiction.

[CarlBar]

2 hours ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

So his base claim is false but rests on stuff that is plausible or stuff we don't concretely know is true about cells?

 

Yes, especially the second part. there's a ton of stuff about the human body and specific cell functionality we don't know, and every time we clear them up we tend to find out about more stuff we didn't know about and didn't know we didn't know about.  recommend follow the "In The Pipeline" blog, it's a medchem blog and whilst some of the stuff, (ok a lot), is a tad too technical for me, there's still a lot i can follow that turns up there about this stuff, (also includes commentary on many aspects of drug development which itself is subject to this, there's a reasn 98% of drugs that make it to even the first step in trials fail to go on to become an actual usable drug). Take a look at this blog entry from a few weeks ago when this whole C19 mess was first kicking off outside of china on Chloroquine. Not only do we not know exactly how it deals with malaria parasites, but variants are used in treating various other things and we don't know how it does any of that either. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/20/chloroquine-past-and-present

 

Depending on your PoV it's either terrifying, or funny, or both, my preference).

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

So Andrew Kaufman here seems to be relying on half-truths or twisting those half truths into something crazy? Just re clarifying. 

 

TBH I wouldn't be surprised either way. 

 

I haven't watched the video and don't know what he is talking about, but I can say that that is exactly why people get suckered into conspiracies. E.G the conspiracy about vaccines being dangerous is the use the half truth that they contain mercury, which is true, but it's a compound molecule that includes mercury not the element by itself. Which if people bother to look into the difference between a deadly gas and tabled salt.  Or in this case a poisonous metal and a harmless preservative.  The same with formaldehyde, it's also true that formaldehyde is in the MMR vaccine, however it is lower quantities than what you would find in a pear. 

[Fnige]

2 hours ago, Dylanc1500 said:

You apparently haven't ate any Taco Bell.

actually I haven't, 

 

Though lets imagine that your in a 6 person family, which is 2.86 above America and 3.47 above Australia so for most of yous, it should take longer to finish the rolls

 

we got 8 rolls for the kids toilet (My 3 sisters and I) and in the space of a month (we got our pack late feb/early march) its only gotten down 2.75 rolls. So we are maybe using up a roll about every half a month, which is for 4 people mind ya. so to use 36 you would need 18 months (assuming nothing happens to that ass in the mean time)

 

Lets assume everytime you shit out that taco bell of yours you use twice as much toilet paper, there would still be nine months worth of toilet paper

 

 

So between 9 and 18 months for 4 people. Either my family is conservative as fuck, or you need to up your "use as little toilet paper" game

[Dylanc1500]

14 minutes ago, SlimyPython said:

actually I haven't, 

 

Though lets imagine that your in a 6 person family, which is 2.86 above America and 3.47 above Australia so for most of yous, it should take longer to finish the rolls

 

we got 8 rolls for the kids toilet (My 3 sisters and I) and in the space of a month (we got our pack late feb/early march) its only gotten down 2.75 rolls. So we are maybe using up a roll about every half a month, which is for 4 people mind ya. so to use 36 you would need 18 months (assuming nothing happens to that ass in the mean time)

 

Lets assume everytime you shit out that taco bell of yours you use twice as much toilet paper, there would still be nine months worth of toilet paper

 

 

So between 9 and 18 months for 4 people. Either my family is conservative as fuck, or you need to up your "use as little toilet paper" game

You put way more thought into the "Taco Bell ruins your insides joke" than I anticipated.
 

That being said, I do understand why. In the U.S. though (can't speak for other countries), Taco Bell is infamous and has been the butt of an exaggerated joke for years about G.I. Issues. If you ask someone is the U.S. "how much toilet paper is needed for eating Taco Bell?" the reply is normally, "yes".

[Guest]

1 hour ago, SlimyPython said:

actually I haven't, 

 

Though lets imagine that your in a 6 person family, which is 2.86 above America and 3.47 above Australia so for most of yous, it should take longer to finish the rolls

 

we got 8 rolls for the kids toilet (My 3 sisters and I) and in the space of a month (we got our pack late feb/early march) its only gotten down 2.75 rolls. So we are maybe using up a roll about every half a month, which is for 4 people mind ya. so to use 36 you would need 18 months (assuming nothing happens to that ass in the mean time)

 

Lets assume everytime you shit out that taco bell of yours you use twice as much toilet paper, there would still be nine months worth of toilet paper

 

 

So between 9 and 18 months for 4 people. Either my family is conservative as fuck, or you need to up your "use as little toilet paper" game

That suggests you do not get enough roughage in your diet. It is quite well known that in many countries like here in the UK, the US and down under, we crap about 40%-60% less than we should. We need the flow of food through our systems to keep it healthy. While all three of our leaders spout more shit than most of the world out together, not enough comes out of the rear ends of those nations, and it is all down to poor diet.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, Phill104 said:

That suggests you do not get enough roughage in your diet. It is quite well known that in many countries like here in the UK, the US and down under, we crap about 40%-60% less than we should. We need the flow of food through our systems to keep it healthy. While all three of our leaders spout more shit than most of the world out together, not enough comes out of the rear ends of those nations, and it is all down to poor diet.

I keep getting told anywhere between 3 a day and 3 a week is healthy.

 

[Theminecraftaddict555]

So I have some questions about non ionizing radiation and 5g (getting myself confused with the concepts here when talking to people about this)

-It is said that non-ionizing radiation at 30ghz - 100ghz is pretty darn extreme & that at even 60ghz it can cause "oxygen absorption" issues? I highly doubt this since we probably have to consider other factors (how the signals are being sent out and the intensity + exposure) but I'm still fairly new to radiation stuff so feel free to correct me. 

-So when searching up frequency (ghz) for both 5g and microwaves, I seem to be getting some different results. Some sources say 5g is using 28ghz, 30-300ghz & that microwaves use 300ghz or even less than that. Again I'm just getting different numbers and confusing myself. 

 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I keep getting told anywhere between 3 a day and 3 a week is healthy.

 

Yes, but as you are a talking avatar with a plug in your recharge socket it probably doesn’t apply to you.

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

So I have some questions about non ionizing radiation and 5g (getting myself confused with the concepts here when talking to people about this)

-It is said that non-ionizing radiation at 30ghz - 100ghz is pretty darn extreme & that at even 60ghz it can cause "oxygen absorption" issues? I highly doubt this since we probably have to consider other factors (how the signals are being sent out and the intensity + exposure) but I'm still fairly new to radiation stuff so feel free to correct me. 

-So when searching up frequency (ghz) for both 5g and microwaves, I seem to be getting some different results. Some sources say 5g is using 28ghz, 30-300ghz & that microwaves use 300ghz or even less than that. Again I'm just getting different numbers and confusing myself. 

 

Please see the video I posted above. 

[WereCatf]

21 minutes ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

-So when searching up frequency (ghz) for both 5g and microwaves, I seem to be getting some different results. Some sources say 5g is using 28ghz, 30-300ghz & that microwaves use 300ghz or even less than that. Again I'm just getting different numbers and confusing myself. 

mmWave 5G uses bands between 24GHz and 72GHz.

[Theminecraftaddict555]

11 minutes ago, Phill104 said:

Please see the video I posted above. 

I hope you don't take this as me being lazy but could you just give a timestamp of where the subject that is important to me starts? 

 

[mr moose]

6 minutes ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

I hope you don't take this as me being lazy but could you just give a timestamp of where the subject that is important to me starts? 

 

 

Non of the wavelengths from wifi to 300Ghz are ionizing,  the danger is in the power and at those frequency they are no being used at dangerous levels.  Microwave ovens use the same frequency as wifi routers the different is a wifi router is usually 1 watt or less and microwave operates at a 1000Watts or more.  And to illustrate how harmless it is that thin perforated metal sheild in the glass is enough to stop all of it coming out and cooking your eyeballs while you wait for your hot pocket to finish cooking.

[Theminecraftaddict555]

2 minutes ago, mr moose said:

 

Non of the wavelengths from wifi to 300Ghz are ionizing,  the danger is in the power and at those frequency they are no being used at dangerous levels.  Microwave ovens use the same frequency as wifi routers the different is a wifi router is usually 1 watt or less and microwave operates at a 1000Watts or more.  And to illustrate how harmless it is that thin perforated metal sheild in the glass is enough to stop all of it coming out and cooking your eyeballs while you wait for your hot pocket to finish cooking.

Good explanation. Its good to know that other factors come into play when we talk about frequency of the waves. 

 

And I still have the question about "oxygen absorption" when it comes to 60ghz non-ionizing waves. I'm assuming that its not that bad as people think it is...

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

Good explanation. Its good to know that other factors come into play when we talk about frequency of the waves. 

 

And I still have the question about "oxygen absorption" when it comes to 60ghz non-ionizing waves. I'm assuming that its not that bad as people think it is...

All that means is oxygen absorbs 98% of the energy transmitted at that frequency. It means to utilise transmission at the  need a very narrow beam which has advantages of being hard to intercept. Remember, air is only 20.95% oxygen so there is still room for those signals to pass. Oh, and it is not dangerous.

[Theminecraftaddict555]

9 hours ago, Phill104 said:

All that means is oxygen absorbs 98% of the energy transmitted at that frequency. It means to utilise transmission at the  need a very narrow beam which has advantages of being hard to intercept. Remember, air is only 20.95% oxygen so there is still room for those signals to pass. Oh, and it is not dangerous.

People have been saying that our body oxygen will absorb it and cause all of this harmful stuff like this one, which again I doubt. 

[CarlBar]

1 hour ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

People have been saying that our body oxygen will absorb it and cause all of this harmful stuff like this one, which again I doubt. 

 

Another example of a lot of truths but just a little bit of fiction. You'll note that nowhere in that article does it mention any source for the claim about 60ghz absorption causing your blood to be unable to take up oxygen. It has quotes from a telecommunications article and from a biology textbook, but neither of those quotes say this.

 

The most basic point to remember however is that whilst yes atoms can absorb electromagnetic radiation, the effect on the atoms is no different than heating them up, like for example what you do to the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms in the water molecules in your kettle when you turn it on.

 

Selectively heating Oxygen molecules might be able to create issues, (i've no idea), but doing so will cause them to dump all that excess vibrations as heat into the rest of your body. So i the end the effect is no different than breathing in a lungful of slightly warmer air.

 

In the case of 5G or Wifi signals where talking a difference in temperature of a few hundredths of a degree. the oxygen molecules in your body will be affected more by stepping outside into the sun than by the electromagnetic waves.

[CarlBar]

As an aside a quick FYI on electromagnetic radiation. It can be separated into several types each covering a range of frequencies.

 

The electromagnetic spectrum starts in the radio waves zone. Your oldschool AM and FM radios, radar, TV and satellite signals, (and a whole bunch of natural sources including our own sun), fall into here.

 

Next comes Microwave Radiation, (what were discussing), used in some specialised radars, more recent telecommunications standards, (not just 5G), some kettles, and of course your Microwave.

 

After that is Infra-Red. Anytime you stand near a radiator and feel a sensation of heat, thats the radiator emitting infra-red, it crossing the air to your body, being absorbed, causing the molecules in your body to vibrate, and that vibration is registered by your senses as heat.

 

After that is visible light, the stuff you see with. Also used in some laser devices like laser pointers.

 

Then comes Ultraviolet. This is the first with potentially serious large scale health issues. Fortunately the natural background levels ae somthing our bodies are pretty good at handling provided we don't ask them to deal with too much at once, (say by spending all day everyday sunbathing).

 

Next is X-ray and Gamma. Scary stuff, however we all recive between 5 and 50 rems of this every year from the sun. The higher the altitude you live at the more you receive so as a rule it's not a huge issue provided you don't carry somthing especially nasty around with you.

 

Alpha and Beta Radiation aren't electromagnetic at all, instead they're a form of particle radiation.