2080 SUPER vs 2080 Ti for 3440x1440

[HumdrumPenguin]

Not so long ago I've upgraded my 3 years old 2560x1440 60hz Benq monitor to a 3440x1440 120hz Gsync X34P Predator, and since I enjoy playing AAA games, my 1080 is just not cutting it anymore. At least I don't get the balls to the walls experience I want, if that's a thing anyway. The conclusion is that the time for a new gpu has come. I was set on the 2080 SUPER, which apparently will be reaching close to the 2080 Ti. The problem I'm facing now is that, at the moment, there are already some games with high res textures (FFXV, Resident Evil 2, PUBG, etc) that get bottlenecked by 8gb of VRAM. They will stutter all the way to the moon. Dropping about 1300 Canadians on a card (the Asus model of a 2080 SUPER I'd want will very likely cost this much after tax) that would already be bottlenecked by its VRAM is mindfreakingblowing. If I were to upgrade to the 2080 Ti instead, I'd not worry about VRAM, but in  most less VRAM intensive games I'd bet a few candies that the performance would be oh so damn close between both cards, for a 500 Canadians difference in price. If anyone plays at my resolution (3440x1440), or 4k for the matter, and has a very educated opinion, I'm all ears. Just a quick reminder that Amazon Prime day is this Monday, and maybe we'll see considerable price drops on the 2080 Ti. Another important thing is that it seems that SUPER cards run RTX at higher fps then their non SUPER counterparts from a tier above.

[Dedayog]

I only have a 1080Ti for 3440x1440 and it's fantastic for my needs.  I don't need balls to the wall, but I guess when I bought it it was.  

 

If that's what you want (balls to the wall), there's only 1 answer for you.

 

RTX isn't some make or break thing tho, it's barely noticed when immersed in a game.

 

Enjoy your new 2080TI

[HumdrumPenguin]

My main concern really is that Vram cap of 8gb on the 2080 SUPER. Damn Nvidia and the lack of competition in the high end market.

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

My main concern really is that Vram cap of 8gb on the 2080 SUPER. Damn Nvidia and the lack of competition in the high end market.

You realize that AMD also has only 1 >8GB VRAM card out, right?  They could have crushed things with adding more VRAM to the 5700XT-R... but no.

 

Maybe look at a 1080TI, as a small yet cheaper upgrade?

[HumdrumPenguin]

I wouldn't go from Pascal to Pascal. Not to mention that I don't buy used PC hardware because I want to avoid headaches as much as possible. Also the 1080 ti is not much of an upgrade to justify the card change.

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

I wouldn't go from Pascal to Pascal. Not to mention that I don't buy used PC hardware because I want to avoid headaches as much as possible. Also the 1080 ti is not much of an upgrade to justify the card change.

Then you have your answer I wouldn't go from 1080 to 1080TI, but had to bring it up as an option.

 

I haven't realized that 8GB VRAM is getting hit in AAA titles, that sucks as almost every card out now is 8GB.

[Mr.Humble]

That's gotta be some very high res textures though, you sure dropping some settings a little bit wouldn't help? AA and texture quality? 

 

I just got the same monitor and plan to use it with a 1080 for at least until next gen cards come out. 

[Maticks]

I am in the same boat as you have a 1080 i bought when they were released, it was a big jump from my SLi'd GTX580's but.. its not cutting the mustards anymore with my X34.

eyeing off the 2080TI as well but its quite a high price.

I was expecting the prices to come down a bit now its over 12 months since it came out but no change.

 

I think it might be better to wait for the next gen after this card 3080Ti is likely to be a massive jump and hopefully games will take advantage of RTX better than current games.

Navi will hopefully help drive the prices down on 2080TI's before the 3080 launch.

 

I am thinking of hoping along a little longer with some settings turned down, also a bit concerned about this whole degrading issue that the 2080Ti's are running into, it seems to be no common with every card but common enough to be posted often.

 

Whatever thats about in the architecture its fixed in the next release.

[StarsMars]

What games are you trying to hit 120hz 4K? 

 

Its either some kind of sli, 2080ti, or wait. 

[jones177]

22 hours ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Not so long ago I've upgraded my 3 years old 2560x1440 60hz Benq monitor to a 3440x1440 120hz Gsync X34P Predator, and since I enjoy playing AAA games, my 1080 is just not cutting it anymore. At least I don't get the balls to the walls experience I want, if that's a thing anyway. The conclusion is that the time for a new gpu has come. I was set on the 2080 SUPER, which apparently will be reaching close to the 2080 Ti. The problem I'm facing now is that, at the moment, there are already some games with high res textures (FFXV, Resident Evil 2, PUBG, etc) that get bottlenecked by 8gb of VRAM. They will stutter all the way to the moon. Dropping about 1300 Canadians on a card (the Asus model of a 2080 SUPER I'd want will very likely cost this much after tax) that would already be bottlenecked by its VRAM is mindfreakingblowing. If I were to upgrade to the 2080 Ti instead, I'd not worry about VRAM, but in  most less VRAM intensive games I'd bet a few candies that the performance would be oh so damn close between both cards, for a 500 Canadians difference in price. If anyone plays at my resolution (3440x1440), or 4k for the matter, and has a very educated opinion, I'm all ears. Just a quick reminder that Amazon Prime day is this Monday, and maybe we'll see considerable price drops on the 2080 Ti. Another important thing is that it seems that SUPER cards run RTX at higher fps then their non SUPER counterparts from a tier above.

 

My GTX 1080 ti was not up to 120fps at that resolution so I don't see the Super doing it either. When I had 2 1080 ti in SLI they were fast enough.

 

The RTX 2080 ti is a better solution at that resolution and at that frame rate.

 

Only my modded games that use a lots of 4k textures use more than 8gbs vram. My modded Fallout 4 and Skyrim SE now use over 10.5gbs. I would like my next card to have more than 11gbs. 

 

6 hours ago, Maticks said:

I am in the same boat as you have a 1080 i bought when they were released, it was a big jump from my SLi'd GTX580's but.. its not cutting the mustards anymore with my X34.

eyeing off the 2080TI as well but its quite a high price.

I was expecting the prices to come down a bit now its over 12 months since it came out but no change.

 

I think it might be better to wait for the next gen after this card 3080Ti is likely to be a massive jump and hopefully games will take advantage of RTX better than current games.

Navi will hopefully help drive the prices down on 2080TI's before the 3080 launch.

 

I am thinking of hoping along a little longer with some settings turned down, also a bit concerned about this whole degrading issue that the 2080Ti's are running into, it seems to be no common with every card but common enough to be posted often.

 

Whatever thats about in the architecture its fixed in the next release.

I used a GTX 1080 at 3440 X 1440 for a while.  It ran everything over 60fps but in the tests that I did 80fps on AAA games is all that it was good for. Upgrading to a 1080 ti meant that 100hz 3440X1440 monitor would have been good.

 

2080 ti have some strange issues and overclocking them in the traditional way may not be a good idea. 

I have the EVGA FTW3 Ultra. It has heat sensors all over it and what gets the hottest and stays hot is the vram. Unlike the GPU that rapidly heats and cools the vram just gets hotter. It does not cool down significantly unless the load is removed. I only use a +200 overclock on the vram(7200mhz) and even that would get too hot if I was doing something like 3d rendering. I would not go past +200 unless I got a water block that covered the vram. 

I also leave the voltage alone. With the power limit maxed and bit on the clock(I use +117) they will clock up until heat stops them. 

 

The last strange issue is that they only like high frequency CPUs. My 2080 tis hate anything below 5ghz. To stay on the safe side I  am now clocking up to 5.1. I not only had issues with my i7 8700k that could only clock up to 4.8ghz but sometimes on a reboot my i7 8086ks will only clock up to 4.88 and that is so bad I can feel it. A reboot fixes it but now I have to check my CPU before I start playing. 

 

 

 

 

[Dedayog]

You know you don't HAVE to play at the Hz your monitor maxes at right?  UW and 80+ FPS is more than fine.

 

 

[HumdrumPenguin]

Thanks for the answers. Prime day had no good deals on decent 2080 ti models, and I really don’t wanna spend the full price charged in Canada for a 2080 ti. I also don’t wanna wait a lot for the next gen cards because God knows when they will come. This Tuesday will be the release date for the 2080 super, and depending on how it goes, that’s the one I’ll get, and damn you 11gbs vram.)

[JB780]

I was in the same position as you, on the fence between the 2080 super and Ti. I've seen some speculation that the performance increase from 2080 to 2080 super is going to be minimal, which makes sense if Nvidia wants the Ti to still be relevant, so I ended up getting the ASUS ROG Strix OC 2080 Ti because Newegg had it for $100 off. Hopefully I don't get burned on the 23rd but I really wanted to be able to push high frames on my Swift monitor.

[HumdrumPenguin]

23 minutes ago, JB780 said:

I was in the same position as you, on the fence between the 2080 super and Ti. I've seen some speculation that the performance increase from 2080 to 2080 super is going to be minimal, which makes sense if Nvidia wants the Ti to still be relevant, so I ended up getting the ASUS ROG Strix OC 2080 Ti because Newegg had it for $100 off. Hopefully I don't get burned on the 23rd but I really wanted to be able to push high frames on my Swift monitor.

The 2080 Ti was going to be a thing for me only if there was to be a 300-400 cad discount. I do have the money to get one now, but I wouldn’t have peace for the rest of my life because of my girlfriend...

[JB780]

10 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

The 2080 Ti was going to be a thing for me only if there was to be a 300-400 cad discount. I do have the money to get one now, but I wouldn’t have peace for the rest of my life because of my girlfriend...

I hear you, when my wife asks how much it cost I'll ask her how much she thinks it cost.

[HumdrumPenguin]

Just making a quick update. I finally pulled the trigger on the 2080 TI (got a Strix model), and received it yesterday. I've been playing a lot The Division 2, and the fps doubles from the 1080 FTW2. But what I wanted to mention is that I was right indeed about the 8gb Vram being a bottleneck for the 2080 and 2080 super. I was playing on High @3440x1440 and getting 60-90 FPS (1080), and now I get 80-110 at the same resolution on Ultra (2080 TI). MSI Afterburner reports 9.5gb of VRAM in use, and I doubt this is the case where the game allocates as much Vram as possible even if you aren't using it, because otherwise I'd be sitting at 11gb. Nvidia really messed up with the 2080 and 2080/super (or not, in case they just wanted to upsell you to the TI model). So I'd say to anyone that may be interested in getting a new Nvidia card now, to either go with the 2070 super and save yourself a couple hundred dollars, or go nuts and spend a truck load of cash to get into enthusiast level hardware. Those are my two cents at least.

[Dedayog]

52 minutes ago, HumdrumPenguin said:

Just making a quick update. I finally pulled the trigger on the 2080 TI (got a Strix model), and received it yesterday. I've been playing a lot The Division 2, and the fps doubles from the 1080 FTW2. But what I wanted to mention is that I was right indeed about the 8gb Vram being a bottleneck for the 2080 and 2080 super. I was playing on High @3440x1440 and getting 60-90 FPS (1080), and now I get 80-110 at the same resolution on Ultra (2080 TI). MSI Afterburner reports 9.1gb of VRAM in use, and I doubt this is the case where the game allocates as much Vram as possible even if you aren't using it, because otherwise I'd be sitting at 11gb. Nvidia really messed up with the 2080 and 2080/super (or not, in case they just wanted to upsell you to the TI model). So I'd say to anyone that may be interested in getting a new Nvidia card now, to either go with the 2070 super and save yourself a couple hundred dollars, or go nuts and spend a truck load of cash to get into enthusiast level hardware. Those are my two cents at least.

Not sure how that's considered double the fps.

 

Glad you got a god bump and are enjoying it.

 

 

[HumdrumPenguin]

45 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Not sure how that's considered double the fps.

 

Glad you got a god bump and are enjoying it.

 

 

The FPS above compares the High presetting to Ultra. Using the same High present on both cards I got it doubled.

[HumdrumPenguin]

Just now, HumdrumPenguin said:

The FPS above compares the High presetting to Ultra presetting. Playing on High only, the difference was of 2x stronger.