Stick with 9900k build or send it back and wait for Ryzen 3000?

[98Redbird]

So quickly, here's the situation

 

It was about time for a new build, and I gathered all the parts for a 9900k build.

 

9900k

Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Master

32GB DDR4 3200

EVGA 2080ti FTW3 Ultra

H700i

115i Pro

Seasonic 750

 

Running 2 monitors one 1440 144hz and a Benq 4k for photo/video editing.

 

Uses are going to be gaming and editing type work loads.

 

I'm just wondering now, If I'd be better off sending back the 9900k and MoBo and waiting a couple months for Ryzen 3000? 

 

Based on what I do, is Ryzen 3000 really going to benefit me? I mean an overclocked 9900k is still awfully capable. Just trying to spend the money wisely.

 

I'd prefer not wait 2 months to finish the build, but if it would really be worth it, I will. 

 

I understand that there are no benchmarks yet and we really don't know how 3000 will stack up against the 9900k, just looking for some advice.

 

Thanks

[Fasauceome]

It's possible that the new Ryzen flagship bests the i9 in gaming, but it's awfully close in performance from the demos we saw. it would likely beat it by a very slim margin, so you should weigh the hassle of sending your CPU and motherboard back against the reduced price of the Ryzen parts.

[xdeathshot20]

like u said unfortunately with no benchmarks to compare the two cpu's its kinda hard to say.  In theory the ryzen is a better processor especially for the money but we wont know how much better until benchmarks get released.  Its really up to you, how badly do you need this new pc?  if it isnt that bad wait a bit and see what happens, if you need it right away then just stick with what you got

[XR6]

It's hard to say. Right now nobody has any benchmarks to compare the two CPUs so I can't really give you any sort of insight into what performance gains you would be getting by moving to Zen2. 

Your current i9 build is still very capable, so in the end it's up to you. If you think that seding back your CPU and motherboard is worth the reduced price of Ryzen then by all means go for it. If not, then stick to what you already have.

[Biggerboot]

33 minutes ago, 98Redbird said:

I'm just wondering now, If I'd be better off sending back the 9900k and MoBo and waiting a couple months for Ryzen 3000? 

If you haven't actually built it yet (physically), I'd say wait.  I'd even consider building on b450 or x470 today if the x570 boards don't really grab you, then you can upgrade your chip when you feel like it.  OR you could see if i9s comes down in price.

 

If you did already get an i9, then I absolutely don't know how you can say:

33 minutes ago, 98Redbird said:

Just trying to spend the money wisely.

Makes no sense to give up a working system for 2 months. 

But in seriousness, going from i9 to Ryzen 7 3000 is a side-grade at best.  So you'd have to justify it with a 12-core, which may not really be needed in your case.

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

going from i9 to Ryzen 7 3000 is a side-grade at best. 

It is a side grade that costs a hell of a lot less money. Also, PCIe 4.0 is a nice bonus 

[Mr_Argon]

Do you really need the minor performance buff? Yes you will be getting PCIe 4.0, but there isn't much point in that yet, because as of yet Intel haven't switched to PCIe 4.0, so we'll be seeing PCIe 3.0 stuff around for a while. If you are using this for gaming/streaming I'd say it's perfectly capable, no need to go through the hassle of returning it.

[Biggerboot]

13 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

It is a side grade that costs a hell of a lot less money. Also, PCIe 4.0 is a nice bonus 

But if I already built an i9 system, then to me it would be more trouble than it's worth to make the switch.  Better off waiting until the 16 core comes out or 4000 does so the upgrade is significant (just my opinion).

 

I'll just say the decision depends on priorities, there's no right answer.  If you get more of a thrill out of the build process itself, and your editing work doesn't need the fastest rendering times ever today, I'd wait and see what Ryzen 3000 has to offer first.  Maximize your value and avoid the potential headaches of a new release. 

 

If you need a computer today though, I wouldn't hold myself back.  Get yourself a 400-series board for now or an i9 with the cheapest z390.

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

But if I already built an i9 system, then to me it would be more trouble than it's worth to make the switch.  Better off waiting until the 16 core comes out or 4000 does so the upgrade is significant (just my opinion).

From the way the original post was worded, the parts were acquired but not built, but that's my impression of it. 

 

@98Redbird is the build already in use?

[Biggerboot]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

From the way the original post was worded, the parts were acquired but not built, but that's my impression of it. 

 

@98Redbird is the build already in use?

Yeah, I tried to word my suggestion in a way that I hoped applied to both cases.  I was hoping he meant he had the parts on pcpp or something.  But if he's still in the return window that's fine too I guess. 

[Mister Woof]

Personally I'd say keep them. It's kinda a jerk move to return stuff like that after you've already used them even if it's within the terms of the sale.

 

If you were the merchant, would you like it if people returned stuff after trying it out and causing you to no longer sell it as new?

 

That was the downfall of Fry's.

[98Redbird]

1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

From the way the original post was worded, the parts were acquired but not built, but that's my impression of it. 

 

@98Redbird is the build already in use?

 Build not in use. Just components at this point. 

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, 98Redbird said:

 Build not in use. Just components at this point. 

If unopened and you can return them then I would, and then reassess when reviews come out.

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, 98Redbird said:

 Build not in use. Just components at this point. 

I think that makes it a lot easier to send them back and replace them soon.

[98Redbird]

My current understanding is that the 9900k should be faster than the 3700x, and likely on par with the 3800x depending on how it overclocks, which is going to be about $75 cheaper. So for any real performance gain, I'd need to go to the 3900x for about the same price, for "possibly" better performance in gaming and I'm not sure that i'd use the added multithreaded performance with what I do.

 

All speculative I guess...

 

I suppose I'd like to just get it together and start running it, impatience I suppose, but don't want to totally kick myself in a couple months if it's going to be significant differences.

[xg32]

if i had to GUESS, the zen 2 wall is at 4.6ghz, a 4.6 8 core will be SLIGHTLY slower than 9900k (need benchmarks), if you wait for zen 2, u'd end up saving 100~ bucks and a pcie4 nvme ssd. 

[AngryBeaver]

8 hours ago, xg32 said:

if i had to GUESS, the zen 2 wall is at 4.6ghz, a 4.6 8 core will be SLIGHTLY slower than 9900k (need benchmarks), if you wait for zen 2, u'd end up saving 100~ bucks and a pcie4 nvme ssd. 

This isn't necessarily true. Let's say ryzen got a 13% IPC bump (low end)

 

Intel has about a 3-5% ipc lead. So if ryzen is now 10% over the Intel offerings that 4600mhz clock is equivalent to a 5060mhz Intel. That is why Intel trashed bulldozer 5ghz cpus with their lower clocks. It is pure IPC goodness.

 

Now we have to look at the fact these are 4.6ghz boosts and they have XFR2.. which can add another 200mhz. So I wouldn't be shocked to see a good portion hitting 4.8ghz on all cores. Then you have the fact these chiplets can be binned much more easily allowing for more consistency in chips. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some 5ghz capable ones.

[thechinchinsong]

I think that even if the new Ryzen processors come out and are everything people are expecting, the i9-9900k is still extremely good and will suite your gaming and workstation tasks just fine. Its true that the top end r7-3800x or the r9-3900x could be either cheaper for similar performance or the same price for more performance, thats up to you to determine if you want to wait. If you don't feel like waiting 2 months, then i9-9900k is great. Otherwise, waiting for Ryzen 3000 should either get you more performance for the same money (at least for multithreaded applications) or similar to slightly less performance for some monetary savings.

[Ebony Falcon]

At 1440p is say CPU doesn't matter too much either way i think the 3900x will last longer and 50 percent more cores with same single core is good

 

 

[98Redbird]

Leaning heavily towards just keeping my build as planned and enjoying it. Thanks guys.

 

BTW, is there something out there that explains what applications use "x" number of cores, or something general like that? Maybe that's a dumb question, but I'm just curious, I know games in general don't currently use several cores, but what about other common applications? In the near future, who exactly would benefit from something like 12 cores/24 threads?

[Princess Luna]

On 5/29/2019 at 9:53 PM, fasauceome said:

It's possible that the new Ryzen flagship bests the i9 in gaming, but it's awfully close in performance from the demos we saw. it would likely beat it by a very slim margin, so you should weigh the hassle of sending your CPU and motherboard back against the reduced price of the Ryzen parts.

All this is ignoring majority of people get themselves on GPU bound scenarios either ways... considering OP has high end displays capable of torturing even the 2080 Ti on highs and ultras.

 

The reality is that there is no change in the gaming perspective only the illusion of having more unless you really start to weight in some seriously heavy multi-tasking during that gaming.

On 5/29/2019 at 9:50 PM, 98Redbird said:

9900k

Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Master

32GB DDR4 3200

You'll have Intel's fastest mainstream system possible which is still completely on pair with AMD's flagship.

 

The Ryzen 9 3900X only exists because AMD needed it to truly fight the i9 9900K, competition is motivation to either brand, you'll be fine keeping it and replacing everything is merely the usual buyers remorse, don't worry about it just game the shit out of this and enjoy the best any game can give.