Could the next gen chips suck?

[Dkunky]

So we're potentially on the verge of Zen 2 in (potentially) June/July, and Ice/Cannon Lake(Skylake+++++++++) uncertainty for 2019. As much as we all want to root for our teams, my question to you guys is could they all suck? Zen being chiplet latency, and Intel's potential to not have anything or rush out more 14nm++++++++ chips. What do you guys think the state of tech will be for the remainder or 2019? 

[Kaicer]

AMD WILL REIGN SUPERIOR 

 

[porina]

What we know of Zen 2, to me, puts it in a low risk area. We know they have performed updates to the front end and also beefed up the AVX units to parity with Intel consumer CPUs. It is unknown how the chiplet design will work out, but I'm not overly concerned about this. At least, not for up to 8 core versions. When it goes to 2 chiplets things might get more interesting, but I see that as an area for advanced users.

 

Intel is harder to say since they are going to be at the end of the year if not into next year. Worst case all we get the 10 core 14nm CPU and that's it. It is as unexciting as it sounds. If they can get out Sunny Cove based CPUs that's essentially an unknown how it will behave. They also promise the usual updates but we will only know how it performs once we can get it. Will they get 10nm online in mass production by then?

[SupaKomputa]

AMD will have the lead for at least 1 year.

When Intel finally solved the 10nm problem, they will have an answer.

It's easy for intel to release more cores to defend it's position, but it is not easy to match AMD pricing.

And Intel will move to 3D stacking that will be the answer to AMD's chiplets.

[Dkunky]

4 minutes ago, porina said:

What we know of Zen 2, to me, puts it in a low risk area. We know they have performed updates to the front end and also beefed up the AVX units to parity with Intel consumer CPUs. It is unknown how the chiplet design will work out, but I'm not overly concerned about this. At least, not for up to 8 core versions. When it goes to 2 chiplets things might get more interesting, but I see that as an area for advanced users.

 

Intel is harder to say since they are going to be at the end of the year if not into next year. Worst case all we get the 10 core 14nm CPU and that's it. It is as unexciting as it sounds. If they can get out Sunny Cove based CPUs that's essentially an unknown how it will behave. They also promise the usual updates but we will only know how it performs once we can get it. Will they get 10nm online in mass production by then?

Something tells me that if they launch Sunny Cove this year it will be a Paper/Low yield launch.

It depends on the advancements as well, there have been rumors of them 3D stacking chips as well but im not sure if that would be applicable in the desktop.

[MrFixitBlankFace]

Naturally speed will increase in the processors to come.  Yet, price will also go up with those other perks.  

[.Apex.]

If the latency is worse then they'll just go back to Ryzen 1000 performance which sucked in my opinion, I doubt it will be worse considering everything is smaller so the distances are shorter too, at worst it will be comparable to Ryzen 2000 i think and that's still good enough to embarrass Intel.

Intel is in a really tough spot, AMD's market share is increasing rapidly

[Fasauceome]

Current Zen+ pricing has already dropped, improvements to infinity fabric and core count are almost guaranteed, I would be amazed if AMD took a step back given their current momentum. At the very least, their superior value will persist no matter what.

 

Intel, on the other hand are the ones who need to worry about stagnation. With no real reason to upgrade from their last gen when coffee lake came out, their 10th generation will have to be excellent.

[jiyeon]

Intel are in a big ditch and need to dig themselves out.

 

AMD forced Intel's hand after Intel had released 4-core CPUs for just under a decade and when their hand was finally pushed, they released Coffee Lake, with 6 cores being the mainstream, a nice kick in the behind for Intel to actually innovate and not artifically sandbag Moore's Law.

 

Intel 9th gen sucked in my opinion because for the most part, it is Coffee Lake V2, it was and will never be worthy of being called 9th gen. I could de-lid my 8600K and call it a 9600K, that's my view on '9th gen'.

 

As for AMD, well I'll be damned, they're shooting for the mountain tops with Ryzen 3000 series, at least on paper. I'm enthusiastic and curious as to the future of AMD.

[Bananasplit_00]

I doubt they will suck, but i also doubt there will still be incentive to move beyond an I7 4790K

[SupaKomputa]

9 minutes ago, seoz said:

As for AMD, well I'll be damned, they're shooting for the mountain tops with Ryzen 3000 series, at least on paper. I'm enthusiastic and curious as to the future of AMD.

I'm waiting that moment since Athlon 64.

[Princess Luna]

Intel really made an amazing line up with Coffee Lake in my opinion, it has a lot of improvements from Skylake.

 

Kaby Lake was a mistake that shouldn't have been released in the first place for what it offered and Coffee Lake Refresh doesn't deserve the "refresh" nor "9th gen" it shows off on package.

 

The i7 9700K exists solely for Intel to still profit even more than it did from the i7 8700K with failed i9 9900K's... I insist all the time if you want an Intel system for games just go with the i7 8700K as you won't be losing anything in comparison with the more expensive 9700K.

 

The i5 9600K as stated above is a lame processor that's far too expensive to be a "budget/mid-range" alternative defeating it's purpose.

 

The i9 9900K is a great processor if you have use for it, gaming alone ain't it.