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[Mahomes]

Hey Everyone I need a parts list for a 500-1000 Dollar pc built for pubg the cheaper the better its for me to build for a customer.

[Fasauceome]

USD?

[Justinzonfire]

Just now, fasauceome said:

USD?

Every time people forget! haha

[TVwazhere]

10 minutes ago, Mahomes said:

Hey Everyone I need a parts list for a 500-1000 Dollar pc built for pubg the cheaper the better its for me to build for a customer.

Here's a place to start

I personally recommend the $600 build

[LogicWeasel]

Here's a mock up of bang for buck as the deals on PCPartPicker go today.  Can easily tweak this framework but this is based on the concept "If you're going to bother to spend x dollars on a part, x + $10 for a better part is worth the mild upgrade."  If you're going to bother to build a PUBG gaming system, may as well have good parts and guarantee 1080p@60fps (medium quality or better).

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.85 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Core Edition Video Card  ($189.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case: Antec - P7 Window Red ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.21 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $653.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-07 16:42 EST-0500

[Dedayog]

30 minutes ago, Mahomes said:

Hey Everyone I need a parts list for a 500-1000 Dollar pc built for pubg the cheaper the better its for me to build for a customer.

Do you build and sell PC's for money?

[Mahomes]

On 3/7/2019 at 3:17 PM, fasauceome said:

USD?

Yes

 

On 3/7/2019 at 3:46 PM, jstudrawa said:

Do you build and sell PC's for money?

Kinda people pay m,e to buy and build theres 

[CodeNova]

33 minutes ago, Mahomes said:

Kinda people pay m,e to buy and build theres 

 

how much overhead do you make? I've always thought it would be neat to start up a small custom computer shop.

[Dedayog]

9 hours ago, Mahomes said:

Kinda people pay m,e to buy and build theres 

 

Well let me know what % you slide the person who helps you, since that's supposedly your job

 

Yes, I'm a dick.

[TH3R34P3R]

18 hours ago, Mahomes said:

Hey Everyone I need a parts list for a 500-1000 Dollar pc built for pubg the cheaper the better its for me to build for a customer.

do you want peripherals? i know im late to this topic but it helps me decide what is best choices. 

[jerubedo]

On 3/7/2019 at 4:14 PM, Mahomes said:

Hey Everyone I need a parts list for a 500-1000 Dollar pc built for pubg the cheaper the better its for me to build for a customer.

This build should impress with ample performance in PUBG and other games, and it's right in the middle of your budget. The Z370 board allows for upgradability to any of the following processors: i7 8700, i7 8700K, i5 9600K, i7 9700K, i9 9900K (just to name a few). And of course with the K series processor you can overclock and this board has a heatsink on the VRMs and is decent at OCing. The 550 Watt PSU will also give more breathing room for future upgrades (GPU, CPU, extra HDDs, RGB lighting, etc.):

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8 GHz 6-Core Processor	$199.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z370P D3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$114.84 @ Newegg
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$84.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$77.77 @ Amazon
Video Card	MSI - Radeon RX 580 8 GB Video Card	$179.99 @ B&H
Case	Corsair - Carbide SPEC-06 ATX Mid Tower Case	$54.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$79.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$852.46
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$792.46
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-08 15:33 EST-0500

 

This is the gaming performance you can expect on this setup:

 

 

Here's PUBG performance on this setup as well (for ultra see 2:25 and on):

 

 

IF you don't care about upgradability, you can also do this. It'll perform the same as the above:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8 GHz 6-Core Processor	$199.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	MSI - B360-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$83.49 @ SuperBiiz
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$84.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$77.77 @ Amazon
Video Card	MSI - Radeon RX 580 8 GB Video Card	$179.99 @ B&H
Case	Corsair - Carbide SPEC-06 ATX Mid Tower Case	$54.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$39.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$781.21
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$721.21
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-08 16:20 EST-0500

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: HP - EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($40.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($42.15 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB GAMING Video Card  ($349.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Aerocool - Aero-300 Black FAW ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.10 @ Newegg Business) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $827.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-08 22:16 EST-0500

[Stefan Payne]

7 hours ago, jerubedo said:

The Z370 board allows for upgradability to any of the following processors: i7 8700, i7 8700K, i5 9600K, i7 9700K, i9 9900K

Yes and AM4 has the upcoming Ryzen3000 series wich seem to have a similar "IPC" than 9900K but up to 16 Cores.

You were saying?!

 

I'm saying stop oversellling stuff. 

We all know that there was no real reason for Intel to make the Socket incompatible, the 1151 is the same and only software limited. 

 

I personally would endorse the setup from @Herman Mcpootis 

That seems like a good basis and AMD also announced that AM4 will be strong in 2020 as well.

[jerubedo]

55 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

8 hours ago, jerubedo said:

The Z370 board allows for upgradability to any of the following processors: i7 8700, i7 8700K, i5 9600K, i7 9700K, i9 9900K

Yes and AM4 has the upcoming Ryzen3000 series wich seem to have a similar "IPC" than 9900K but up to 16 Cores.

You were saying?!

 

I'm saying stop oversellling stuff. 

We all know that there was no real reason for Intel to make the Socket incompatible, the 1151 is the same and only software limited. 

What? No one is talking about AMD vs Intel right now. I was simply stating that the first build I made is an upgradeable one vs the second one I made which is not. I was also explaining why I chose the Z370 board paired with a non-K CPU. It would seem like an odd choice without explanation. You are literally making an argument out of nothing. 

 

But now that you've mentioned it, Intel is still the king for pure gaming right now at every price point. MAYBE that'll change with Ryzen 3000 but right now that's pure speculation. 

 

Also since you like to go off rumors so much, it's rumored that Icelake will work on Z390 boards as well. 

[LogicWeasel]

37 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

I was simply stating that the first build I made is an upgradeable one vs the second one I made which is not. You are literally making an argument out of nothing.

How does the 2nd build prevent you from changing the CPU or upgrading the GPU?  All that motherboard means is that it's less useful to have a K-series CPU, but even the pending i9-9900 or 9900T are viable upgrade paths if more CPU is needed than the i5-8400. 

 

As far as having 450W vs 550W PSU you don't need a 550W PSU to run any consumer-level CPU and single GPU combo.  Could happily run a 9900K and RTX 2080 Ti on that 450W PSU and PCPartPicker doesn't show peak-wattage over 390W , so just means you can't go crazy overclock (but that's a given, crazy-overclock is very different from stock clocks and intended energy draw).

[Stefan Payne]

55 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Also since you like to go off rumors so much, it's rumored that Icelake will work on Z390 boards as well. 

Rumors?!
We had a presentation on CES. And we have AMD officials stating on events that AM4 will be compatible to at least one 

So pretty decent information, while we have NOTHING about Intel.

And why getting so angry when someone tells you oversold the Intel System?? And that there isn't really an upgrade path...
I haven't seen much on the Intel side that makes sense to upgrade to if you want to do that a couple of years later...

 

The CPUs for LGA1151 V1 are still rediculously expensive, if you got an i3-6100, what would you upgrade to?? Yeah, throw out the Motherboard and use something different....

1 hour ago, jerubedo said:

Intel is still the king for pure gaming right now at every price point.

Nope, not really.

In the lower price range, AMD is better as the 2600 can sometimes be gotten for under 150€

So you have some decent 6 Cores with reasonably high clockrates and SMT on vs 4 Core/4 Threads (so no SMT here) if you're lucky on Intel Side.

You really claim that the Intel is faster?!
Even when its lower clocked??

In this case up to 4GHz Turbo on AMD and 3,6GHz base for the 1600x - and 3,6GHz for Intel without Turbo or overclockability as the i3-8100 is not a K version...

 

And the +8 Threads on AMD's side are really worth it for modern Games.

[Herman Mcpootis]

8 hours ago, jerubedo said:

The Z370 board allows for upgradability to any of the following processors: i7 8700, i7 8700K, i5 9600K, i7 9700K, i9 9900K (just to name a few). 

except all of those CPUs can be used on other chipsets, and even if you brought up overclocking support, the board you picked has a pretty bad VRM and heatsink.

[jerubedo]

On 3/8/2019 at 10:39 PM, LogicWeasel said:

How does the 2nd build prevent you from changing the CPU or upgrading the GPU?  All that motherboard means is that it's less useful to have a K-series CPU, but even the pending i9-9900 or 9900T are viable upgrade paths if more CPU is needed than the i5-8400. 

 

It doesn't prevent you from doing so, but it would be highly illogical to do so. The VRMs are not passively cooled, so power delivery for a stock 9900K is not advisable on that board. Furthermore, it makes getting a K series CPU pretty useless since you can only overclock on Z series motherboards. That's why I say it's not really upgradeable. The only parts you can throw in are really the 8600, or the 9600, both of which are not a great upgrade path.

 

On 3/8/2019 at 10:39 PM, LogicWeasel said:

As far as having 450W vs 550W PSU you don't need a 550W PSU to run any consumer-level CPU and single GPU combo.  Could happily run a 9900K and RTX 2080 Ti on that 450W PSU and PCPartPicker doesn't show peak-wattage over 390W , so just means you can't go crazy overclock (but that's a given, crazy-overclock is very different from stock clocks and intended energy draw).

You do not want to run a 9900K and a 2080 Ti on a 450 W PSU, ever. Even if it is 80+ gold certified, that means that at its peak (92% at 50% load)  it is outputting only 414 W. The power draw from 9900K and 2080 Ti can easily exceed that, without even overclocking, if both are under max load. Not to mention that under full load it's only 89% efficient, meaning you'll get 400.5 W.

 

Plug in the 9900K and the 2080 Ti here, along with 1x M.2 drive, 1x HDD, 3x 120mm fans, and 1x AIO, 2x USB 3.0 devices (mouse, keyboard) and you have a 508 W power draw at max load:

http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:05 PM, Stefan Payne said:

Rumors?!
We had a presentation on CES. And we have AMD officials stating on events that AM4 will be compatible to at least one 

So pretty decent information, while we have NOTHING about Intel.

We had a demo that AMD WANTED us to see. It doesn't necessarily demonstrate performance across the board. We won't know the real story until reviews hit, just like always.

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:05 PM, Stefan Payne said:

And why getting so angry when someone tells you oversold the Intel System?? And that there isn't really an upgrade path...
I haven't seen much on the Intel side that makes sense to upgrade to if you want to do that a couple of years later...

I'm not angry. I'm not overselling anything. I recommend Ryzen for productivity (which I've done so before on several threads here) and Intel for gaming. Period. And no, both Ryzen and Intel are pretty equally upgradeable if you really think about it. If you get an i3-8100 now, you can upgrade to any 8th gen CPU, 9th gen CPU, and if rumors are correct, Icelake as well (we'll see, take it with a grain of salt). Ryzen will be compatible for 3000 and MAYBE 4000 (don't know yet). But here's the thing: none of it matters. No one is going to upgrade from a Ryzen 2000 to a Ryzen 3000. No one is going to upgrade from an i5 8000 to an i5 9000. People WILL upgrade most likely from 2000 to 4000 and from 8000 to 10000 (?). But by that time PCIe 5.0 will be out, USB 3.2, DDR5, etc. So even if the sockets COULD still be used (which they won't be because support for the above will need a whole new chipset), no one will want to do that because they'll want the latest tech (DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 especially).

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:05 PM, Stefan Payne said:

Nope, not really.

In the lower price range, AMD is better as the 2600 can sometimes be gotten for under 150€

No, just no. The i3 8100 ($115) beats the 2600 in gaming. See here:

 

 

And here:

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:07 PM, Herman Mcpootis said:

except all of those CPUs can be used on other chipsets, and even if you brought up overclocking support, the board you picked has a pretty bad VRM and heatsink.

Overclocking is exactly what I'm bringing up. There's no point in getting any K series CPU on a non Z motherboard. The motherboard I picked is certainly no overclocking champion, but the VRMs are at least cooled and aren't terrible. It's enough for a mild overclock on any i5 and i7. The i9 it might not do so well with, but even there, you might be able to get a small overclock.

[Herman Mcpootis]

Just now, jerubedo said:

The i9 it might not do so well with, but even there, you might be able to get a small overclock.

The VRMs on the much better Gigabyte Z390 UD barely stay below throttling temps with a 9900k with airflow in the case, what makes you think the Z370P D3 gonna be able to overclock the 9900k?

 

12 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

No, just no. The i3 8100 ($115) beats the 2600 in gaming. See here:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1499-intel-core-i3-8100-i3-8350K/page3.html gets beat by the 1600 in all 4 games tested.

 

 

[Stefan Payne]

36 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

We had a demo that AMD WANTED us to see. 

Yes, 8 Core AMD vs. 8 Core Intel, when they also have a 16 Core CPU in petto that's also coming...

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I'm not angry. I'm not overselling anything. I recommend Ryzen for productivity (which I've done so before on several threads here) and Intel for gaming. Period.

And that's just not true because Intel is NOT as good as some people made you believe or you might believe.

For example:

https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/resident-evil-2-test-gpu-cpu

Here a Ryzen 1400 beats an i3-8100

Or look at this:

https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/assassin-s-creed-odyssey-test-gpu-cpu-2018

Your 8100 is at 48/57fps

the 1600x is at 60/74fps

 

The Videos you linked someone else did share as well and its total nonsense as not the CPU Power is measured there but the Latency -> high FPS at 100fps+

 

Here we have +30% for "our" recommendation over your recommendation, in an area where you really see the difference.

While in those Videos its irrelevant.

Who cares if we're talking about 100 vs 115fps?! It runs great in both sitautions. However in AC: Origins or AC: Odyssey , that is NOT the case.

 

Or lets take Kingdom Come Deliverance:

https://gamegpu.com/rpg/ролевые/kingdom-come-deliverance-test-gpu-cpu-2018

 

8100: 37/52

1600x: 45/63

 

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And no, both systems are pretty equally upgradeable if you really think about it. If you get an i3-8100 now, you can upgrade to any 8th gen CPU, 9th gen CPU,

And now look at Haswell or Kaby Lake, Skylake. Where did "upgrading" made sense there?
It didn't. It made more sense to wait for Ryzen and upgrade then because 4 Cores with SMT. Yeah.

Since 2008...

 

So no, that doesn't make too much sense as the CPUs that do make sense are rediculously expensive and will always be that way.

Same as a ~6 year old CPU with only 6 Cores is still sold for 150€ or so.

 

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and if rumors are correct, Icelake as well (we'll see, take it with a grain of salt).

X - Doubt.

No, that's not gonna happen.

Especially if nobody from the Intel leadership ever said anything about compatibility. ANd that is the difference you don't want to see/admit.

In AMD's case, the AMD leadership has stated that AM4 will be supported throughout 2020.

 

When the leadership said it, its pretty certain. If its some rando on some forum, its not.

 

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But here's the thing: none of it matters. No one is going to upgrade from a Ryzen 2000 to a Ryzen 3000.

You're wrong here as well. Because the steps that AMD makes aren't as small as the Intel ones and we are also talking about a DIE Shrink. You know? Sandy -> Ivy. That was the last shrink on a socket...

If what we know is half true, many might upgrade from 2k to 3k because there is an actual advantage in doing so. 

I myself have a 2400G and a 1700x and will be upgrading to Ryzen 3000 as soon as possible.

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No one is going to upgrade from an i5 8000 to an i5 9000.

...because its the same CPU.

With a couple of MHz more.

So your comparisation makes no sense.

 

Correct would be: People upgraded from Sandy-Bridge -> Haswell.

People upgraded from Haswell to Coffee Lake.

People upgraded from FX to Ryzen...

People upgraded from i7-3930K to 8 Core Ryzen.

 

Because there has to be a noticable difference and an interesting price for the upgrade to make sense.

Upgrading from i5/8600k to i5/9600k is just a waste of money. You get  nothing - ~270€ for 100MHz base and 300MHz boost. Yeah...

 

Look at how relatively big the step from Ryzen 1700x -> 2700x was.

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People WILL upgrade most likely from 2000 to 4000 and from 8000 to 10000 (?). But by that time PCIe 5.0 will be out, USB 3.2, DDR5, etc. So even if the sockets COULD still be used (which they won't be because support for the above will need a whole new chipset), no one will want to do that because they'll want the latest tech (DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 especially).

PCIe 3.0 had a lifetime of around 7-8 Years! 

It was announced in late 2011.

The first product was Radeon HD7970 - January 2012.

The first PCIe 4.0 product was released just last month, the CPU for that comes later this year.

So your claim that "PCIe 5.0 will be out" is just nonsense. Especially with the Problems that we will see with PCIe 4.0 (=rather short distances possible).

 

 

Also with AMD's Architecture model, they can combine whatever CPU with whatever I/O Die. There is no reason why they couldn't pair Zen3 with the Matisse I/O Chip.

 

You know, this thing:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13829/amd-ryzen-3rd-generation-zen-2-pcie-4-eight-core

The big chip on the left is the I/O Chip that has PCIe, USB and all that interface stuff in there. THe small chip top right is the CPU. (its fairly certain that the lower right is for a second CPU Die).

 

You remember this biggie?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13561/amd-previews-epyc-rome-processor-up-to-64-zen-2-cores

THAT is ROME. Its made out of 8 CPU Dies and 1 I/O Die.

Playstation 5 and upcoming XBox stuff will look similarly. Same CPU Die with probably a different I/O Die that's custom to what M$/Sony want.

So no, you're wrong. AMD can do whatever. The question is: Will they do it?

[LogicWeasel]

33 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

It doesn't prevent you from doing so, but it would be highly illogical to do so. The VRMs are not passively cooled, so power delivery for a stock 9900K is not advisable on that board. Furthermore, it makes getting a K series CPU pretty useless since you can only overclock on Z series motherboards. That's why I say it's not really upgradeable. The only parts you can throw in are really the 8600, or the 9600, both of which are not a great upgrade path.

1. I didn't say that the upgrade path has to be a 9900K.  I used the (not quite released yet but already confirmed to exist by Anandtech) i9-9900 non-K and 9900T variants as examples of what you can use in a non-OC motherboard.

 

2. What I said was meant to convey that I know you cannot overclock a K-series without a Z-motherboard but that doesn't mean it's useless to use a K CPU over non-K as the K series often have higher base and stock clocks than non-K (and I'm just speculating here, someone who knows more please inform me, but maybe even better turbo utilization I would suspect, for example when comparing turbo behavior on i7-8700 vs i7-8700K).

 

3.  The idea that the motherboard limits the upgrade options for CPU to only the 8600 or 9600 (not K which also isn't out yet?) is wrong.  One could use an 8700, 9700k, or many other choices.  Just because you cannot overclock doesn't make the 8-cores of the 9700k useless, they'll still turbo up where thermals allow and that isn't useless.  Standard disclaimer: I'm not saying it makes for a smart over-all plan to get a cheap Intel Motherboard and throw an expensive CPU at it later-on, just saying that not being able to overclock is not itself enough reason to say it's pointless to use a faster CPU.

[jerubedo]

On 3/8/2019 at 11:43 PM, Herman Mcpootis said:

The VRMs on the much better Gigabyte Z390 UD barely stay below throttling temps with a 9900k with airflow in the case, what makes you think the Z370P D3 gonna be able to overclock the 9900k?

I said a small overclock, as in like 4.8GHz all core. If you're lucky, you can even overclock and undervolt.

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:43 PM, Herman Mcpootis said:

https://www.techspot.com/review/1499-intel-core-i3-8100-i3-8350K/page3.html gets beat by the 1600 in all 4 games tested.

Read that a little more carefully. The i3 tied in Battlefield 1 (margin of error). Both systems were using DDR4 3200 MHz, so when it was apples to apples, they tied. The system specs used are on page 1. The reason they tied was because the GTX 1080 was still the bottleneck. In the video I provided, they test with a GTX 1080 Ti, at which point the i3 won. See the second video at 48 seconds. Civilization and Ashes are indeed wins for Ryzen but do not represent most games. The real win it has is in F1, yes. But again, the general trend are in the videos I posted.

 

In those videos 16 total games were tested and the i3 won in 11 games. Note that of the 5 games AMD won, F1 was one of them, so that goes along with the data from Tom's.

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:58 PM, LogicWeasel said:

1. I didn't say that the upgrade path has to be a 9900K.  I used the (not quite released yet but already confirmed to exist by Anandtech) i9-9900 non-K and 9900T variants as examples of what you can use in a non-OC motherboard.

 

2. What I said was meant to convey that I know you cannot overclock a K-series without a Z-motherboard but that doesn't mean it's useless to use a K CPU over non-K as the K series often have higher base and stock clocks than non-K (and I'm just speculating here, someone who knows more please inform me, but maybe even better turbo utilization I would suspect, for example when comparing turbo behavior on i7-8700 vs i7-8700K).

 

3.  The idea that the motherboard limits the upgrade options for CPU to only the 8600 or 9600 (not K which also isn't out yet?) is wrong.  One could use an 8700, 9700k, or many other choices.  Just because you cannot overclock doesn't make the 8-cores of the 9700k useless, they'll still turbo up where thermals allow and that isn't useless.  Standard disclaimer: I'm not saying it makes for a smart over-all plan to get a cheap Intel Motherboard and throw an expensive CPU at it later-on, just saying that not being able to overclock is not itself enough reason to say it's pointless to use a faster CPU.

You seem to have misunderstood my original post. I only said that if you care about upgradeability get my first system because it's the better option for upgradeability in mind. I said if you don't care about upgradeability get the second system. That was all. I never said you COULDN'T upgrade on system 2. It's just a poorer option for it because of the VRMs and the non-overclockability. And yes, I am of the mindset that getting a K series CPU for a non Z motherboard is wasted money, but again that's not what I was originally even saying.

[Stefan Payne]

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

I said a small overclock, as in like 4.8GHz all core. If you're lucky, you can even overclock and undervolt.

That's like 250W regions.

You need some real beefy heatsinks.

There was a reason why FX9590 only worked in a few Boards. Its the same now as well. Difference is: We have better power saving mechanisms so you can throttle the CPU better.

 

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

In the video I provided, they test with a GTX 1080 Ti, at which point the i3 won.

Your video is shit as you're talking 100fps+ region. Doesn't matter what, its irrelevant for most people.

The links I've provided to a test of some lower frame rate games are relevant. ANd there the 2600 is +30% faster - where it counts.

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

Civilization and Ashes are indeed wins for Ryzen but do not represent most games.

That is where you are wrong.
They represent upcoming games!

Not right now, as PS4 and XBox One are holding the games back on CPU Power.

But next year, when XBox Two and PS5 are released, that is not the case anymore - and guess what CPU will be powering them...

 

1 minute ago, jerubedo said:

In those videos 16 total games were tested and the i3 won in 11 games.

And in what range?!
105 vs 100?

125 vs 100??

That's irrelevant and not the performance of the CPU, its the latency.

 

And why you link to some smaller channels? How long did you look for those Videos?

[jerubedo]

On 3/8/2019 at 11:52 PM, Stefan Payne said:

And that's just not true because Intel is NOT as good as some people made you believe or you might believe.

For example:

https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/resident-evil-2-test-gpu-cpu

Here a Ryzen 1400 beats an i3-8100

Or look at this:

https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/assassin-s-creed-odyssey-test-gpu-cpu-2018

Your 8100 is at 48/57fps

the 1600x is at 60/74fps

  

The Videos you linked someone else did share as well and its total nonsense as not the CPU Power is measured there but the Latency -> high FPS at 100fps+

 

Here we have +30% for "our" recommendation over your recommendation, in an area where you really see the difference.

While in those Videos its irrelevant.

Who cares if we're talking about 100 vs 115fps?! It runs great in both sitautions. However in AC: Origins or AC: Odyssey , that is NOT the case.

 

Or lets take Kingdom Come Deliverance:

https://gamegpu.com/rpg/ролевые/kingdom-come-deliverance-test-gpu-cpu-2018

 

8100: 37/52

1600x: 45/63

Yes, of course in some limited games AMD will win. You've found a few examples, but still in the majority of games, Intel wins. And no, not all of them are high FPS situations. Look at Arma III. On the Ryzen system there are dips below 60, and not on the i3. The same goes for Assassin's Creed Origins. The i3 gets 53 FPS average and the 2600 gets 46. That's a huge lead for i3. There are more examples as well if you care to look them up.

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:52 PM, Stefan Payne said:

X - Doubt.

No, that's not gonna happen.

Especially if nobody from the Intel leadership ever said anything about compatibility. ANd that is the difference you don't want to see/admit.

This is pointless. It's all rumors. Neither you nor I know. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:52 PM, Stefan Payne said:

You're wrong here as well. Because the steps that AMD makes aren't as small as the Intel ones and we are also talking about a DIE Shrink. You know? Sandy -> Ivy. That was the last shrink on a socket...

If what we know is half true, many might upgrade from 2k to 3k because there is an actual advantage in doing so. 

I myself have a 2400G and a 1700x and will be upgrading to Ryzen 3000 as soon as possible.

Yes people like you or me might upgrade, but not your average buyer who is content with performance as is.

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:52 PM, Stefan Payne said:

Look at how relatively big the step from Ryzen 1700x -> 2700x was.

Even so, not that many people that I know in reality bought an upgrade. Most people still consider it burning money.

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:52 PM, Stefan Payne said:

So your claim that "PCIe 5.0 will be out" is just nonsense. Especially with the Problems that we will see with PCIe 4.0 (=rather short distances possible).

You aren't keeping up with the news, then. PCIe 5.0 is coming THIS YEAR. See here: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pcie-4.0-5.0-pci-sig-specification,38460.html

 

On 3/8/2019 at 11:52 PM, Stefan Payne said:

Who cares if we're talking about 100 vs 115fps?!

People on a 144 Hz monitor. Competitive gamers, people who want to bump up to a 1440p monitor (this is especially great for them. If you're able to get 115 FPS at 1080p, you'll likely still be above 60 at 1440p), Enthusiasts in general.

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10 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

This is pointless. It's all rumors. Neither you nor I know. We'll just have to wait and see.

 Anyone who's seen AMD's track record with how often they change sockets can see they do it far less than Intel.  They said they're retaining AM4 until further notice and so far every report I've seen strongly believes their claim that they're supporting it into 2020.  You may suggest that you doubt this and you're welcome to think so, but I have far more reason to think that info is more credible than guessing at when Intel decides to arbitrarily cut off support for their last motherboard chipset to promote a new arbitrary chipset they "reinvented" .  (See: Z270 can't have CoffeeLake and Intel gives me the impression they're ready to say "We'll support Z390 for new CPUs after CoffeeLake-Refresh if we feel like it").