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EchoBlue
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I am not getting it. 

AMD Radeon 7 competing with Nvidia RTX 2080?

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2 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

I am not getting it. 

AMD Radeon 7 competing with Nvidia RTX 2080?

no it's not, because it doesn't have ray tracing/DLSS no tensor cores no RT cores and it will pull a shit load more power than a 2080...

what it will compete with is last gen GTX 1080ti in terms of performance, features and power consumption it will be a lot more like a 1080ti which is still a very powerful card but for 700$ it's a rip of.

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This is not the Navi or Vega 2 GPU is it? 

I was waiting to see if AMD would release something new for 2019. 

Not sure why other fans are so hyped about the Radeon 7.

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4 minutes ago, EchoBlue said:

I am not getting it. 

AMD Radeon 7 competing with Nvidia RTX 2080?

Yeah it's more powerful and has better specs in terms of memory and bandwidth. I wouldn't be surprised to see it drop by $50-$100 a couple months before Navi. 

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1 minute ago, EchoBlue said:

This is not the Navi or Vega 2 GPU is it? 

I was waiting to see if AMD would release something new for 2019. 

Not sure why other fans are so hyped about the Radeon 7.

It's Vega2 not Navi. 

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1 minute ago, EchoBlue said:

This is not the Navi or Vega 2 GPU is it? 

It's Vega 2 which is the 7nm process. So it's technically new but not what we were expecting. 

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Its Vega II = VII = 7 = 7nm

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24 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

no it's not, because it doesn't have ray tracing/DLSS no tensor cores no RT cores and it will pull a shit load more power than a 2080...

what it will compete with is last gen GTX 1080ti in terms of performance, features and power consumption it will be a lot more like a 1080ti which is still a very powerful card but for 700$ it's a rip of.

i wouldn't call 16GB of HBM2 a rip off, but yeah for the normal consumer it's a meh card, just like the RTX 2080, no difference in price/perf than last gen 1080ti.

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26 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah it's more powerful and has better specs in terms of memory and bandwidth. I wouldn't be surprised to see it drop by $50-$100 a couple months before Navi. 

isn't Navi supposed to be a mid tier card? if so, then i don't think we should be expecting better performance than Vega 2

 

i've heard that it's "supposed" to be GTX 1080 performance for 250$ or something, but after seeing Vega 2 that seems very far fetched

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28 minutes ago, syn2112 said:

isn't Navi supposed to be a mid tier card? if so, then i don't think we should be expecting better performance than Vega 2

 

i've heard that it's "supposed" to be GTX 1080 performance for 250$ or something, but after seeing Vega 2 that seems very far fetched

Navi is new on 7nm so they can design it with that in mind. Vega wasn't made for 7nm so the benefits are sorta just slapped on and you can see how far you get. Most people are buying mid tier to low end cards but now Nvidia is charging $350+ for what used to be $250. So I feel AMD has a great market to grab

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People are jumping the gun on this GPU release. AMD will come out with very competitive mid range cards. Nvidia has just told their consumers that if you want a 2000 series card you must pay at least 400 dollars. That is not low/midrange for 95% of gamers. Give AMD a month or two and I bet people will have a much better reception to what AMD will be doing with Navi.

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Navi is new on 7nm so they can design it with that in mind. Vega wasn't made for 7nm so the benefits are sorta just slapped on and you can see how far you get. Most people are buying mid tier to low end cards but now Nvidia is charging $350+ for what used to be $250. So I feel AMD has a great market to grab

Do you think it's getting to a point where if we want performance upgrades from previous gen cards, that you have to put more cost into production now?

Kinda hitting that point of, "You want something better than pascal? Well that's going to be expensive to make".

 

There deff is a gap in the market for a 1080 level card for $250.

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3 hours ago, EchoBlue said:

I am not getting it. 

AMD Radeon 7 competing with Nvidia RTX 2080?

No it's competing with the 2016's TITAN X Pascal.

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2 hours ago, ThePD said:

People are jumping the gun on this GPU release. AMD will come out with very competitive mid range cards. Nvidia has just told their consumers that if you want a 2000 series card you must pay at least 400 dollars. That is not low/midrange for 95% of gamers. Give AMD a month or two and I bet people will have a much better reception to what AMD will be doing with Navi.

Navi is not coming out till the end of 2019. That is the mid rage variant that will be coming out and it will be an all new architecture. 7nm is expensive right now to manufacture. Everyone keeps shilling for AMD when they have since 2015 released underwhelming performance. I gave up with AMD ever really being truly competitive once Nvidia annoucned they would allow Free Sync to work on their GPUs. 

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1 minute ago, SSJGodemis said:

Navi is not coming out till the end of 2019. That is the mid rage variant that will be coming out and it will be an all new architecture. 7nm is expensive right now to manufacture. Everyone keeps shilling for AMD when they have since 2015 released underwhelming performance. I gave up with AMD ever really being truly competitive once Nvidia annoucned they would allow Free Sync to work on their GPUs. 

I don't think anyone is 'shilling' for AMD here. People praise AMD for the resurgence in the CPU market, and we all want them to do this in the GPU market. What I am saying is... AMD publicly announced a single GPU. Whether or you like or dislike that card, that GPU is going to be appealing to someone. AMD knows the GPU is used for more than just gaming, it's gamers that forget.

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9 minutes ago, ThePD said:

I don't think anyone is 'shilling' for AMD here. People praise AMD for the resurgence in the CPU market, and we all want them to do this in the GPU market. What I am saying is... AMD publicly announced a single GPU. Whether or you like or dislike that card, that GPU is going to be appealing to someone. AMD knows the GPU is used for more than just gaming, it's gamers that forget.

The vast majority who buy GPUs are for gaming. Sure, there are content creators and other markets, but corporations usually buy professional grade equipment like a  Quadro for that. 

 

I would love for AMD to be competitive again with Nvidia. But they are not and wont be for a good while. They have broken my heart too much. My first GPU and CPU was all AMD. 

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I guess in the end, for now, it is still not worth buying an AMD GPU?

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9 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Do you think it's getting to a point where if we want performance upgrades from previous gen cards, that you have to put more cost into production now?

Kinda hitting that point of, "You want something better than pascal? Well that's going to be expensive to make".

 

There deff is a gap in the market for a 1080 level card for $250.

Well 1080s are $300-$340 used so I don't know where you are getting this $250 figure from. I would bet Navi will fit that need as the Radeon 7 is just a stop gap and doesn't even have 64 CUs plus new arch brings in a lot. Navi is also GDDR6 not HBM2

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IMO this card will not give best price/performance for gamer. It's an all rounder card similar to Titan XP with it 16GB ECC HBM2 unless AMD able to activate hidden gems beneath Vega architecture without game developer intervention.. 

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Well 1080s are $300-$340 used so I don't know where you are getting this $250 figure from. I would bet Navi will fit that need as the Radeon 7 is just a stop gap and doesn't even have 64 CUs plus new arch brings in a lot. Navi is also GDDR6 not HBM2 

I probably should have said 1070-1070ti. I'm holding my expectations for Navi, high hopes though.

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As has been said already this is a Prosumer Card, pretty much the same as Vega FE was when it came out in 2017. It has very good FP64 compute numbers unlike the Titan RTX which has rubbish FP64. This is good news for AMD who haven't had a decent FP64 card since 2013 and they will be able to sell this card to compute developers and AI engineers who want something to use at home which can also game. That's a pretty small market but if Vega FE was anything to go by then supply is going to be low.

 

I expect they could price it lower but don't want to because if stock runs out then retailers will price gouge (like happened with mining) which makes AMD look bad and doesn't get them any more money. I might buy this card but only if the FP64 numbers are confirmed as I want it for compute simulation development. If it doesn't deliver that then I will just get Vega 64 it is 60% of Radeon 7's price for 80% the performance maybe 85% with AIB tuning.

 

For gamers this makes no sense unless they drop the price $100 and ensure supply is high it will be another flop. Really they should have talked more about content creators and devs, acting like it is a gaming card is setting them up for failure. It's possible of course that a 8GB version will come later like with Vega FE, in that case they may actually be able to get competitive if they can undercut Nvidia by $100-150.

 

In OpenCL work we already know that this card easily beats out the 2080 Ti and this seems to be the only area where it excels at all.

AMD's benchmark number are in the footnote here. They show:

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Testing done by AMD performance labs 1/3/19 on AMD Ryzen 2700X,16GB DDR4 3000MHz, Radeon VII, Radeon RX Vega 64, AMD Driver 18.50 and Windows 10. Across 4 content creation workloads/benchmarks: Davinci Resolve 15, Adobe Premiere, LuxMark and Blender. Radeon VII completed in /scored 101s, 330s, 50202 and 92s respectively. Radeon RX Vega 64 completed in/scored 138s, 462s, 31013 and 126s respectively. Resulting in Radeon VII vs Radeon RX 64 performance uplift of: 1.27x, 1.29x, 1.62x and 1.27x respectively.

Luxmark is a compute benchmark often used in industry. We can see on this site and here that a score of 50202 is the same or better than the 2080 Ti and is only beaten by Volta GPUs.

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20 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

no it's not, because it doesn't have ray tracing/DLSS no tensor cores no RT cores and it will pull a shit load more power than a 2080...

what it will compete with is last gen GTX 1080ti in terms of performance, features and power consumption it will be a lot more like a 1080ti which is still a very powerful card but for 700$ it's a rip of.

Assuming that the rasterization performance is similar, it still competes with the 2080.

Several reviewers have said something to the effect of DLSS not being a killer feature and RTX being either a gimmick or just rushed to market.

 

And if the Radeon 7 is a rip off then RTX 2080 is too.

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1 hour ago, Madgemade said:

As has been said already this is a Prosumer Card, pretty much the same as Vega FE was when it came out in 2017. It has very good FP64 compute numbers unlike the Titan RTX which has rubbish FP64. This is good news for AMD who haven't had a decent FP64 card since 2013 and they will be able to sell this card to compute developers and AI engineers who want something to use at home which can also game. That's a pretty small market but if Vega FE was anything to go by then supply is going to be low.

 

I expect they could price it lower but don't want to because if stock runs out then retailers will price gouge (like happened with mining) which makes AMD look bad and doesn't get them any more money. I might buy this card but only if the FP64 numbers are confirmed as I want it for compute simulation development. If it doesn't deliver that then I will just get Vega 64 it is 60% of Radeon 7's price for 80% the performance maybe 85% with AIB tuning.

 

For gamers this makes no sense unless they drop the price $100 and ensure supply is high it will be another flop. Really they should have talked more about content creators and devs, acting like it is a gaming card is setting them up for failure. It's possible of course that a 8GB version will come later like with Vega FE, in that case they may actually be able to get competitive if they can undercut Nvidia by $100-150.

Why would AMD need to undercut Nvidia? If Nvidia can get away with last gen 1080ti performance for 1080ti MSRP in 2019 then why shouldn't AMD do the same?

 

I would argue the card makes sense to gamers. There's nothing inherently unsuitable for gamers about it.

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