Facebook tracking people that have not even signed up for an account

[LAwLz]

7 hours ago, mr moose said:

Companies like Amazon and MS cannot control the content though, they have strict legal contracts with all clients who rent/use their services.   They can no more read emails than a bank can tell your neighbor how much you owe on your house.

5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Yes, they do actually go through every email, and scan every document uploaded to their cloud services. They are completely open about this. 

 

Here are some sources that Microsoft do in fact read your emails.

 

Here is one where Stefan Weitz, the senior director of Bing at Microsoft says that they do scan all mails sent through their servers.

Microsoft touting Cortana scanning your mail as a feature.

This is from when they actually admitted to having read through emails by hand, without warrants.

Oh but at least it's "just" Microsoft that has access to your emails, right? Nope, they have already handed over full access to the NSA too.

Here is an article about Microsoft catching a pedophile by scanning his OneDrive content.

 

I could probably find a few more with some more searching but I think the point is clear. If you use Microsoft's online services, don't be surprised if they are looking at everything.

[Misanthrope]

This are the same guys that also want to become an ISP right?

 

I mean why play a sucker's game (or shall we say, a Zuckerberg game, ha!) and bother to track browser data if the user has (or apparently doesn't has) Facebook open when you can just siphon all of their very valuable information directly at the source by being an ISP?

 

 

[AlTech]

2 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

This are the same guys that also want to become an ISP right?

 

I mean why play a sucker's game (or shall we say, a Zuckerberg game, ha!) and bother to track browser data if the user has (or apparently doesn't has) Facebook open when you can just siphon all of their very valuable information directly at the source by being an ISP?

 

 

And then watch how Facebook'll fork Chromium and rebrand it as Facebook Browser and then collect all the user browsing history and sell to advertisers

[Guest The Viking]

5 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

And then watch how Facebook'll fork Chromium and rebrand it as Facebook Browser and then collect all the user browsing history and sell to advertisers

that's the thing, the tracking cookies from facebook already do that. No need to have your own browser, just put a cookie on as much websites as possible, the users visiting it will "acquire" the cookie for 24 hours and you'll be tracked for those 24 hours. Better than having access to the browsing history, less effort needed. 

[asus killer]

4 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Just use script and ad blockers jesus christ...

 

don't you need to block cookies too? is this more a cookie thing?

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, LAwLz said:

 

Here are some sources that Microsoft do in fact read your emails.

 

Here is one where Stefan Weitz, the senior director of Bing at Microsoft says that they do scan all mails sent through their servers.

Microsoft touting Cortana scanning your mail as a feature.

This is from when they actually admitted to having read through emails by hand, without warrants.

Oh but at least it's "just" Microsoft that has access to your emails, right? Nope, they have already handed over full access to the NSA too.

Here is an article about Microsoft catching a pedophile by scanning his OneDrive content.

 

I could probably find a few more with some more searching but I think the point is clear. If you use Microsoft's online services, don't be surprised if they are looking at everything.

A spam filter is not them "searching through" private emails.  I had expected much better from you on that. 

 

Also using photo DNA to search for child porn photos with known Hashtags (not scanning the actual photo itself) is not the same as targeting ads or retrieving personal information from a users private accounts. It is simply a flag that their automated software found a known illegal photo and they report that to the authorities as a tip off.   It essentially is the same as running a virus scan on your clients computer but instead of looking through their hard drive you simply tell them it found something on their drive.

[Guest The Viking]

2 hours ago, asus killer said:

don't you need to block cookies too? is this more a cookie thing?

there's cookies in the ads to track you for stats and stuff (if you've used AdSense then all that data is gathered via cookies)

 

but if you block cookies in general then you're done for this issue. Ads do have them, yes, but facebook links aren't an ad, and the website in question may still use cookies for like your cart selection on an online store and such.

[Beskamir]

Friendly reminder that this https://noscript.net/ exists.

[PocketNerd]

8 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Just use script and ad blockers jesus christ...

 

Facebook is not the only one doing this. There are much bigger perpetrators out there. And no government body really gives a shit about protecting the people. They are only in it to further their political agendas.

 

The old days of the 'free internet' are coming to an end. If you don't protect yourself, you are effectively an asset for data companies waiting to be sold as targets for advertisement and manipulated to sway national interest.

 

Still insist on running around the internet buck naked and entrusting your info to social media sites? Go right ahead

Tried using noscript and removed it after realizing it broke virtually every site that required me to login and that I needed to use. Not to mention that whitelisting is a pain since you can't really tell what is what.

That said, we really need to get to a point where people shouldn't have to use noscript of adblocker in the first place in order to have a friendly browsing experience.

[asus killer]

24 minutes ago, PocketNerd said:

That said, we really need to get to a point where people shouldn't have to use noscript of adblocker in the first place in order to have a friendly browsing experience.

most people don't care, don't know what a cookie or a script does or that they can block ads. The ones that do are a minority. So sites don't care either. Governments care even less, they are also collecting data.

I don't think we will ever get to that point, in fact i only see things getting worst and worst. I block cookies and ads, scripts i gave up like you said.

 

Snowden warned us.

[PocketNerd]

1 hour ago, asus killer said:

most people don't care, don't know what a cookie or a script does or that they can block ads. The ones that do are a minority. So sites don't care either. Governments care even less, they are also collecting data.

I don't think we will ever get to that point, in fact i only see things getting worst and worst. I block cookies and ads, scripts i gave up like you said.

 

Snowden warned us.

Yup, and its those same uneducated people that lead to <insert thing that would otherwise be against the rules if I said it>

[Beskamir]

On 4/17/2018 at 12:36 AM, PocketNerd said:

Tried using noscript and removed it after realizing it broke virtually every site that required me to login and that I needed to use. Not to mention that whitelisting is a pain since you can't really tell what is what.

That said, we really need to get to a point where people shouldn't have to use noscript of adblocker in the first place in order to have a friendly browsing experience.

Well yeah that's what blocking scripts will do... the nice thing is you can temporarily disable it so you can do some one time thing on a website you'll never visit again and then re-enable it once you're done. As for whitelisting... yeah it's a pain for the first 2-3 days but after that most of the sites you frequently visit are white listed and you don't have to worry about it anymore. Besides the price for security is almost always convenience so...

[PocketNerd]

12 hours ago, ElfFriend said:

Well yeah that's what blocking scripts will do... the nice thing is you can temporarily disable it so you can do some one time thing on a website you'll never visit again and then re-enable it once you're done. As for whitelisting... yeah it's a pain for the first 2-3 days but after that most of the sites you frequently visit are white listed and you don't have to worry about it anymore. Besides the price for security is almost always convenience so...

Security and Convenience don't need to be mutually exclusive.

[jagdtigger]

3 hours ago, PocketNerd said:

Security and Convenience don't need to be mutually exclusive.

Practice shows otherwise IMO....

[yian88]

so does google and microsoft and everyone else why are we focusing on facebook? people still use fucking facebuk thats lame

 

[Kamjam21xx]

Ya know, i dont think it would have made a difference how i voted either way. So i feel its just a privacy thing, not political.

[LAwLz]

55 minutes ago, yian88 said:

so does google and microsoft and everyone else why are we focusing on facebook?

Because if you constantly go "they do it too!" then there won't be any progress.

Imagine this as a court. Right now, Facebook is the one being judged. In another thread, it might be Microsoft.

 

Do you think someone on trial for murder would be able to defend themselves by saying "yeah I killed someone, but why is everyone focusing on me here? There are other murderers out there!"?

[yian88]

On 4/22/2018 at 2:45 PM, LAwLz said:

Because if you constantly go "they do it too!" then there won't be any progress.

Imagine this as a court. Right now, Facebook is the one being judged. In another thread, it might be Microsoft.

 

Do you think someone on trial for murder would be able to defend themselves by saying "yeah I killed someone, but why is everyone focusing on me here? There are other murderers out there!"?

I know but everyone seems to have forgotten android and windows 10 steal a shitton of data people used to be more vocal about it in the end they win.

[jagdtigger]

6 minutes ago, yian88 said:

I know but everyone seems to have forgotten android play services and windows 10 steal a shitton of data people used to be more vocal about it in the end they win.

FIFY. And the ones who were vocal about it just moved to linux/AOSP because they realized how dumb most ppl are....

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

31 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

And the ones who were vocal about it just moved to linux/AOSP because they realized how dumb most ppl are....

Quoted for truthness.

 

Android itself is perfectly fine, it's the Google apps that turn it into a spying device. 

[LAwLz]

54 minutes ago, yian88 said:

I know but everyone seems to have forgotten android and windows 10 steal a shitton of data people used to be more vocal about it in the end they win.

Both Google's and Microsoft's data harvesting gets brought up on a weekly basis. I am surprised that you feel it isn't getting brought up enough.

[Beskamir]

On 4/21/2018 at 8:28 PM, PocketNerd said:

Security and Convenience don't need to be mutually exclusive.

Not sure which reality you're living in but the one I'm interacting with while writing this post, as you get more security and you have to give up some convenience, so.... yea... they are mutually exclusive.